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Maybe that’s the key point - traditional Islam’s application of Sharia may be different than certain contemporary interpretations and applications of it.
Fair enough, but Canadian Muslims aren’t remotely like the Taliban.
We don’t all suddenly start blaming all Christians for what happens in Uganda or judging Christians by what the Ugandan Christians do.
Before you think I supported any form of religious arbitration, think again. Now if you said that the Ottoman’s would be the ones arbitrating at these procedings in Ontario, I’d still say they weren’t as fair as the modern judicial system in Canada today. Do you claim that the Ottomans would be the ones doing the judging? So it would be someone else then. I still don’t see what the point of bringing up anything from the past when it isn’t as good as today.
Any concessions requested based upon someone’s religious preference should be ignored by a secular government.
Really? Could it be because they don’t have a large enough percentage of the population to act that way?
Sure that tiger cub is cute and cuddly now… Isn’t that the fear in Europe at the moment?
Sorry if we Muslims terrify the shit out of you.
We’re not all that scary and I can assure you that Jews and Christians have given us a run for our money when it comes to atrocities as well as discrimination against women.
I think it’s hysterical that I’m being lectured on the dangers of sharia by someone who’s taken as his username an item built in a country that implements Sharia law and that doesn’t allow civil marriage and openly discriminates against people based on their religion and ethnicity and in which the indigenous inhabitants face rampant discrimination from recent immigrants.
Ah…irony.
Muslims don’t scare me, their religion does. By any rational definition it is a dangerous cult that only the large amount of people following it prevent it from being declared so. Brainwashing by sleep deprivation, lack of food and water, repeated and consistent programming, plus the threats of death if a person has the temerity to leave. That’s some crazy shit.
It DOES NOT lessen the history and faults of other religions to say so. Nor does it mean that a person who follows Islam should be discriminated against. It does mean that I’m not willing to give ‘crazy shit’ any more of a foothold than it currently has. It has taken generations of pain and death to soften the West’s religious practitioners to accept secular governments (and it is a constant battle even now). A religion that hasn’t had that tempuring is one to be feared. Hence the concern of nations with large populations of Muslims who aren’t integrating (whether through their own fault or of the countries who invited them in).
I’m sure that people like you and DerTrihs think that all cultures are equivalent. They aren’t. Some are better than others when it comes to basic human rights.
No.
Really. No.
Or the large populations of nominal Muslims whom the locals are pretending aren’t assimilating in order to justify their prejudices. A man whose parents were Muslim can drink beer, eat pork and have not set foot in a mosque for years, but if he gets in a fistfight during a protest over taxes or jobs, we’ll hear about how that proves how brutal and violent Muslims are compared to the oh-so-civilized Christians.
Oh, well. Thanks for the clarification. …?:dubious:
I’ve heard about the ones who shoot up people and claim they’ve done it because of their religion, both Christian (abortion doctors for example) and Muslims. I don’t remember hearing about Muslims in bar fights and how it somehow relates. Can you tell the difference between the two scenarios and their relevance? Because apparently you are concerned that the rest of us can’t. If someone says they are doing it because of their religion, then we take them at their word.
It was a straightforward answer to your question. Is the fear in Europe that Muslims, once they become a sufficiently large percentage of the population, will attempt to force Sharia law on the rest of the population? The answer is “no” except in those political groups (e.g. in England, the BNP or EDL) who trade in xenophobia and the news organs (e.g. Daily Mail) who pander to them.
There’s no rational basis for such a fear, and it’s extremely unlikely that the number of Muslims who want Sharia law (which, remember, is not all of them) would ever reach a majority in any Western European country.
I’m sure we’ve had long threads about this already.
And if they don’t say they’ve done it because of their religion, or even what if any religion they are. The anti-Muslim people, especially the ones who get all paranoid about immigration act as if Islamic extremism was genetic, and that all Islamic people are extremists. For that matter, if people are of Middle Eastern extraction or even just brown, the assumption that they must be Evil Muslims is a common one. We’ve certainly seen plenty of that with Obama.
Unlike the anti-Christian people, of which you would be one.
I disapprove of all religions, including both Christianity and Islam; I would love to see all of them vanish from civilization. I just object to people trying to pretend Islam is especially evil while Christianity or whatever other pet religion they have is all nice. I object to people trying to turn Islam into this generation’s version of the Red Scare and the Yellow Peril.
You think Muslims brainwash other Muslims through “sleep deprivation” and “lack of food and water”?
What are you talking about?
Please don’t tell me you’re thinking of the fasting that goes on during Ramadan because if so then you really don’t understand it.
I’m also amused by the “dangerous cult” claim.
Even Buddhism?! :eek:
Is it not true that all Muslims have a duty – or at least a justification – to kill any Muslim who apostasizes?
Yes.
Would have thought Buddhism would fall under the “Mostly Harmless” category, together with Wicca and Satanism, despite its superior historical success.
And Christians have a justification to covert others by the sword. Both religions are deeply evil; what matters is how much a particular person or culture follows those evil beliefs. I’d rather live next to a Muslim who leaves me alone than next to a Christian who ambushes me with a crowbar because I’m an atheist.