# Breaking: Psychopathic Records not a pleasant working environment **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [September 20, 2013, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-psychopathic-records-not-a-pleasant-working-environment/669320 "2013-09-20T16:00:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-psychopathic-records-not-a-pleasant-working-environment/669320/1 "2013-09-20T16:00:58Z")
Insane Clown Posse’s record label [is being sued](http://abovethelaw.com/2013/09/shockingly-creepy-musical-group-accused-of-creepy-sexual-harassment/#more-271988) for alleged sexual harassment and… well, lots of other things. The jokes kind of write themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-psychopathic-records-not-a-pleasant-working-environment/669320/2 "2013-09-20T16:43:14Z")
I feel sorry for people who have to associate with the Scum of the Earth in professional environments. Those poor guys had to deal with _a lawyer_! ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-psychopathic-records-not-a-pleasant-working-environment/669320/3 "2013-09-20T18:18:13Z")
ICP’s fans, the Juggalos, used to (and may still) have an annual convention in southern Illinois. Locals hate it, because these people trash the area, steal, etc. and the hospitals in the region all have to go on disaster alert and take a big financial bath because most of these people don’t have insurance and give fake names and addresses anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Uber\_the\_Goober](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/58956e/32.png) [@Uber\_the\_Goober](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uber_the_Goober)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-psychopathic-records-not-a-pleasant-working-environment/669320/4 "2013-09-20T18:19:17Z")
…:dubious: If I were the judge, I’d throw it out with prejudice. Seriously - this chick has GOT to be baiting them. Who in their right mind would work for ICP and then turn around and sue for that? Has she ever listened to their music? Talk about asking for it. Good lord. I’m not trying to condone what they did, however I’d say this “lawyer” put herself into a position where she would be able to sue, with the advance goal of suing. She should have done something about it on the \*first \*incident, not let it go ON and ON for so long. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-psychopathic-records-not-a-pleasant-working-environment/669320/5 "2013-09-20T19:12:22Z")
> [@Uber\_the\_Goober](#): > > …:dubious: > > If I were the judge, I’d throw it out with prejudice. Seriously - this chick has GOT to be baiting them. Who in their right mind would work for ICP and then turn around and sue for that? Actually, ICP appears to have little to do with it. Other articles indicate that they didn’t do anything worse than shout at her once. It was the label’s employees that sexually harassed her. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-psychopathic-records-not-a-pleasant-working-environment/669320/6 "2013-09-20T19:50:33Z")
I have often wondered how one can demonstrate sexual harassment in the porn industry, which somehow seems a related question to the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-psychopathic-records-not-a-pleasant-working-environment/669320/7 "2013-09-20T20:05:50Z")
> [@Uber\_the\_Goober](#): > > I’m not trying to condone what they did… Well, yes, you are. You’re saying that there should be no civil penalty for wrongful acts. That’s exactly what you’re saying. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-psychopathic-records-not-a-pleasant-working-environment/669320/8 "2013-09-20T20:11:14Z")
Plus from what I read, they were also asking her to do unethical actions as part of her job. So it wasn’t just “hey baby” stuff (as if that isn’t bad enough). ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-psychopathic-records-not-a-pleasant-working-environment/669320/9 "2013-09-20T20:19:35Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Well, yes, you are. You’re saying that there should be no civil penalty for wrongful acts. That’s exactly what you’re saying. I believe what he is saying is that its like a boxer suing for getting hit in the face. Not that I agree. I have heard that the guys in ICP are very clever business men. By having total control over their product and building a stable of other acts they are making damn good money in a niche market. But since it is a business they can’t have it run like a B-movie stereotype frat house. I wouldn’t expect it to be run like Merrill Lynch but there needs to be some professionalism. If the allegations are true. ---
**Author:** ![Uber\_the\_Goober](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/58956e/32.png) [@Uber\_the\_Goober](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uber_the_Goober)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-psychopathic-records-not-a-pleasant-working-environment/669320/10 "2013-09-20T20:43:05Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Well, yes, you are. You’re saying that there should be no civil penalty for wrongful acts. That’s exactly what you’re saying. Let me rephrase then. I don’t believe her claims, unless she’s truly stupid enough to not understand the environment she was getting into. I believe she intentionally set things up (or at least allowed them to proceed much too far) with the goal of bringing a lawsuit. A beautiful girl, taking a position with a company with that kind of reputation, and then not rectifying the situation immediately…:dubious: So, no. I’m not trying to condone the actions of the harassers, but I sure as shit don’t take the side of this woman, who is a LAWYER and knew full well her legal recourse AT ALL TIMES, yet allowed it to continue… I can’t imagine a woman with the mind to get through law school, the self awareness needed to make it through that endeavor - who would allow some ridiculous yahoos the likes of which associate with the INSANE CLOWN POSSE to treat her in such a manner. Get out immediately, or press charges with no delay. Anything less, in my opinion, is setting up the situation for the most possible financial gain to herself. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-psychopathic-records-not-a-pleasant-working-environment/669320/11 "2013-09-20T20:55:18Z")
> [@Uber\_the\_Goober](#): > > Let me rephrase then. > > I don’t believe her claims, unless she’s truly stupid enough to not understand the environment she was getting into. > > I believe she intentionally set things up (or at least allowed them to proceed much too far) with the goal of bringing a lawsuit. A beautiful girl, taking a position with a company with that kind of reputation, and then not rectifying the situation immediately…:dubious: > > So, no. I’m not trying to condone the actions of the harassers, but I sure as shit don’t take the side of this woman, who is a LAWYER and knew full well her legal recourse AT ALL TIMES, yet allowed it to continue… > > I can’t imagine a woman with the mind to get through law school, the self awareness needed to make it through that endeavor - who would allow some ridiculous yahoos the likes of which associate with the INSANE CLOWN POSSE to treat her in such a manner. Get out immediately, or press charges with no delay. Anything less, in my opinion, is setting up the situation for the most possible financial gain to herself. That’ll teach me to try and interpret what someone else was saying. Regardless of whether this business is run by ICP, it is a business which brings in about $10 million a year (just looked it up). Its not a couple of kids in a band in their garage. Just because its ICP doesn’t mean the business aspect shouldn’t be professional. Whether she stayed a day or a year doesn’t matter. She shouldn’t have to quit and go hungry because someone else is acting improperly. ---
**Author:** ![SpeedwayRyan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@SpeedwayRyan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpeedwayRyan)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-psychopathic-records-not-a-pleasant-working-environment/669320/12 "2013-09-20T21:02:11Z")
> [@Uber\_the\_Goober](#): > > who would allow some ridiculous yahoos the likes of which associate with the INSANE CLOWN POSSE ICP is an act. If you work for a company that makes horror movies, you don’t expect to actually get attacked with a chainsaw. It’s entertainment, and it’s a business. Stage personas are not reality in the majority of cases, and even if they were, there’s little reason to think that people merely working for the record label would act the same way. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-psychopathic-records-not-a-pleasant-working-environment/669320/13 "2013-09-20T21:43:14Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > I believe what he is saying is that its like a boxer suing for getting hit in the face. It’s like a boxer suing for getting hit in the ring with a baseball bat. There’s a legal justification for a boxing match, there’s no legal justification for unwanted sexual advances. Doesn’t matter if you work for IBM, Penthouse, the White House, or a strip club: employers make unwanted sexual advances at their own financial peril. > [@Uber\_the\_Goober](#): > > Get out immediately, or press charges with no delay. Anything less, in my opinion, is setting up the situation for the most possible financial gain to herself. The action causing the most possible financial gain for a person isn’t the act of staying in a job; it’s the employer’s acts that are punishable by a court. THEY could have stopped at any time. ---
**Author:** ![Regallag\_The\_Axe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/regallag_the_axe/32/445_2.png) [@Regallag\_The\_Axe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Regallag_The_Axe)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-psychopathic-records-not-a-pleasant-working-environment/669320/14 "2013-09-20T21:51:41Z")
> [@SpeedwayRyan](#): > > ICP is an act. If you work for a company that makes horror movies, you don’t expect to actually get attacked with a chainsaw. It’s entertainment, and it’s a business. Exactly. Brian Cranston isn’t really a meth manufacturer, Dave Brockie isn’t really a demon alien who was exiled to Earth by the Master millions of years ago, Christopher isn’t really a vampire or an evil wizard or an evil space wizard, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Uber\_the\_Goober](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/58956e/32.png) [@Uber\_the\_Goober](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uber_the_Goober)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2013, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-psychopathic-records-not-a-pleasant-working-environment/669320/15 "2013-09-20T22:02:32Z")
> [@SpeedwayRyan](#): > > ICP is an act. If you work for a company that makes horror movies, you don’t expect to actually get attacked with a chainsaw. It’s entertainment, and it’s a business. Stage personas are not reality in the majority of cases, and even if they were, there’s little reason to think that people merely working for the record label would act the same way. Yeah, no argument there. That’s why I said “yahoos who choose to associate themselves with ICP” Because you need to be a certain kind of personality to make money off that “stage act”… ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2013, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-psychopathic-records-not-a-pleasant-working-environment/669320/16 "2013-09-21T02:39:31Z")
Yes, you need to have the kind of personality which says, “Man, they’re making good dollar! I want in on that business!” In other words, just the same as anyone else who wants to get paid well from a business that’s making money.