Bingo, MrWhatsit. As noted in one of the Youtube comments, bouncers have been successfully dragging people out of places against their will for several decades. Let’s give them all tasers!
On the other hand, failing to comply with security is pretty goddamned stupid.
I think it is RT
I hope who ever took this video is not a TV journalism major. God that video sucks.
What I see is a dumb ass kid, diobeying lawful orders from a Police Officer. In my opinion, he is trying to instigate a riot and if it weren’t for some well trained officers, there could have been one.
You can’t see how he is resisting because the video stays mostly on the backs of other students shirts. You can hear the officers giving commands, multiple times and the suspect failing to comply with the commands.
All the students gathered around shouting “I want your badge number” to officers subdueing a suspect are ‘obstructing an officer from their lawful duties’. Wait till they have the guy in the car and then go talk to the officer.
BTW, the taser is a Compliance Tool. Some of you are acting like they fucking shot the kid.
The student was resisting, they used a tool to make him comply. The thing has no lasting effect. Listen to him right after they tase him the first couple times. He’s yelling and screaming and just as active. They didn’t injure the guy. The pain is as temporary as the tase itself. He should have got over himself and realized he’s fucking wrong. Be a man, get up off your ass and leave. If a cop puts a hand on your to physically escort you, stop fucking crying about it.
They didn’t jump right into physical force. They told the kid to leave. The kid never left. So they came back and attempted to remove his ass. The kid continued to act like a self-righteous prick, so they tasered him…
That’s what I gather anyway. It’s just a Taser people. It’s not like they beat him down with a billy club or something.
Because by definition, Cops are not Vigilantes. They were not “punishing” him. They were using the proper tools at their disposale in accordance with set SOP and Use of Force guidelines to remove an uncooperative asshole from a peaceful library.
True. But I doubt he expected to get tasered several times… or at all, really. So it’s not like he would be able to predict a tasering - I’m assuming that this kind of thing doesn’t happen often, of course.
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So you propose that when someone has been tasered to the ground, as soon as the juice is shut off he’s exactly as able to stand up and leave as if he wasn’t shocked with hundreds? thousands? of volts?
And furthermore if, laying on the ground having been tasered, he doesn’t instantly “comply” with the cops orders to stand up and leave, tasering him again will now get the intended result?
Well I bow to your superior knowledge of “Compliance Tools” :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Well he’s an idiot if he didn’t see the second one coming. If I were Tasered unexpectedly, and then that same person holding the Taser said “Get up or I will Tase you again!” I would believe him.
Pardon me, but I asked for evidence of a clear direct cause, not evidence of a possible indirect cause.
Yeah pretty much. That is almost exactly what I am saying. It took me over an hour to recover from being Pepper-Sprayed in the face. And that’s an hour of my head in a bucket of water and a fan blowing on my face. Rolling around on the ground unable to do anything or hear anything or respond to anything after being SPRAYED is expected.
But it took me less than a couple seconds to fully recover from being Tasered.
So, when did passive resistance stop being an option?
Wrong. If a cop came to my house and arrested me for being an idiot, he would be acting as a vigilante. If a cop shoots random people in the street because he thinks they’re evil aliens, he’s acting as a vigiliante.
Their goal was to remove him from the building. He did not move. They could have succeded in their goal by dragging him out of the building. Instead, they chose to respond to his refusal by applying pain. That’s not punishment?
Peaceful?
If it is accurate that the actions of the cops in this case were entirely in line with set SOP and Use of Force guidelines, which I sincerely doubt, then it is those guidelines which are wrong (and, IMHO, unconstitutional) and the cops were not vigilantes.
I’m not disagreeing with you that he’s an idiot. In his defence, however, I would imagine that being tasered and having three cops shout at you whilst a crowd looks on is not the best circumstances to make such a rational decision, but I think you’re correct in assuming he would expect the second tasering.
The thing is, I don’t believe that police should be in the business of handing out punishments: that’s a job for the courts, and they have constitutional limitations of what they can do.
In this case, they could:
(1) Remove him from the premises, by carrying him out.
(2) Arrest him, and charge him with disobeying an order, or trespassing, or whatever.
(3) Take his name and address, and later charge him with an appropriate offense.
But in this situation, tasering was just punishment for disobeying an order. Unless disobeying an order is endangering a police officer, or endangering a member of the public, I don’t believe they have the right to do that.
I mean this whole fucking discussion is ridiculous.
This was a student in his own library without his (admittedly) required student ID. That’s it.
Could he have left immediate without protest and avoided the whole thing? Yes. That’s not what’s at issue here.
Not at University of Maryland and Towson University (and IIRC Johns Hopkins). They are members of the State Police force. I understand that you’re DC area, so I can only assume that your former brother-in-law was not in MD. Please correct me if I’m wrong in that assumption.
It’s a fine line. On the one hand, it’s part of a police officer’s job to give assholes who need it a good tasering now and then to keep them on their toes. On the other hand, you can’t let cops just run around tasering anybody they feel like.
So I can see how this guy needed a tasering. But on the other hand, once you taser someone, can you really expect them to “get on their feet” right away, just because you screamed it 50 times? So what the cops should have done is taser the guy, then dragged him out rather than expect him to walk.
Plus, the “student” loses big points by screaming about the Patriot Act when the cops are evicting him for tresspassing, and screaming “DON’T! TOUCH! ME!” before they tased him. Yeah, fight the power. Scream at the cops and they’re about 20 times more likely to tase you.
Lute Skywatcher, pardon me in return, but the cite I provided from the Arizona Republic does say directly that they found 27 cases where medical examiners found that Tasers were a cause, contributing factor, or could not be ruled out as a cause of death; to me, that would imply that in at least one of those 27 cases, a taser was found to be the cause of death. I would use my Google-Fu to go try to find a more definitive cite, but 1) technically I’m supposed to be working right now, and 2) I feel like this is kind of a sidetrack to the main issue of whether or not tasers were warranted in the first place.
Incidentally, we are going to have to stop being so civil, considering we are in the Pit and all. Gosh darn it.
Let’s say I’m in college:
I’m at my school’s only 24hr library working on an important assignment/research, that’s due the next day. Someone comes up to me and asks for my student ID card. I realize I don’t have it with me. They tell me I need to leave. I say that I have a very important assignment that I have to finish. They get the CSOs who tell me I need to leave. Being that the student security gets very little respect, I say leave me alone I’ve got to finish this. They come back with the “real” cops. I realize the jig is up and head for the door. The cops grab me by the arm to “escort” me out. I say “don’t touch me”. They taser me. Repeatedly.
Am I adding details? Yes. How different from the actual situation do you think this is?
Does it help that my name happens to be Mostafa Tabatabainejad. Hard to say.
Why isnt’ that the issue?
You want the police to be responsible for their actions but not the student. The one who didn’t bring his ID, when he knew he had to have one to use the library. The student who could have left, got it and came back, but instead decided to rant on about the Patriot Act and was practically yelling “Come and see the violence inherent in the system”.
You can’t see if he was just being limp or not. The video doesn’t show it clearly. If he was resisting, twisting around, hanging on to something. Trying to pick him up and carry him out could have caused injury to the suspect, to the police officers or to public property. Of course, IF HE COMPLIED WITH SIMPLE ORDERS, like STAND UP, this wouldn’t have happened.
This wouldn’t have happend if he brought his ID.
This wouldn’t have happened if left quietly when asked.
This woulnd’t have happend if he was such a fucking idiot.