# Breaking - The Queen is unwell (has died): 8 Sep 2022 **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** breaking-news\ **Created:** [September 8, 2022, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212 "2022-09-08T11:49:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2022, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/381 "2022-09-09T23:50:58Z")
Not originally. He discontinued the use of his Greek and Danish titles upon his marriage, when he was made Duke of Edinburgh and His Royal Highness by the King, having been made Knight of the Garter a few days previously. He was not given the title of Prince of the United Kingdom until 1957, five years after his marriage. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/382 "2022-09-10T00:50:12Z")
And he _always_ was referred to as Duke of Edinburgh in his role as consort. The formal announcement was always “Her Majesty the Queen and HRH the Duke of Edinburgh”. ISTM part of the matter is that in the Brit system “Prince(ss)” is something that designates _the person’s_ standing in the family, but if you hold a specific title then _that_ is what you are for official purposes – thus _princes_ Andrew, Edward, and Harry, are the Duke of York, Earl of Wessex and Duke of Sussex in formal context. The standard is that female consorts are “queens” by default. Male consorts OTOH are whatever the letters patent say they are but _not kings_. Victoria’s Albert was first plain HRH Prince upon marrying her, and only years later officially “HRH Prince Consort” , as a way to give him a British styling higher in UK precedence than his birthright one as a Serene Highness Duke. ---
**Author:** ![slash2k](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@slash2k](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slash2k)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/383 "2022-09-10T01:00:09Z")
He wasn’t Prince Consort or Prince of Wales; he had no substantive title, other than the dukedom. The letters patent creating him a prince (in 1957) called it a “style and titular dignity.” ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/384 "2022-09-10T01:35:38Z")
President Biden will attend Her Late Majesty’s funeral. > **[Biden says he will attend Queen Elizabeth's funeral](https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/09/biden-says-he-will-attend-queen-elizabeths-funeral-00055948)** > > Details regarding the queen’s funeral have not yet been announced, but it’s expected to be at Westminster Abbey, where the queen was crowned. > [@](#): > > President Joe Biden said Friday that he will attend the funeral of the United Kingdom’s Queen Elizabeth, the most definitive comment to date from the White House on whether the president will travel for the service. > > “I don’t know what the details are yet but I’ll be going,” Biden told reporters before boarding Air Force One after a speech in Ohio. The president also said he knows King Charles but has not yet spoken to him since the death of his mother. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/385 "2022-09-10T01:52:43Z")
It’s _the_ event of the year! ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/386 "2022-09-10T02:02:37Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Yeah, queen consorts have always just been known as the queen. Well Anne Boleyn was made Marchioness of Pembroke while she was still Henry VIII’s mistress, but Camilla probably doesn’t want to follow in her footsteps. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/387 "2022-09-10T02:09:53Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > President Biden will attend Her Late Majesty’s funeral. I never doubted that Biden would attend as POTUS but I wonder just how large the US delegation will be. I remember John McCain’s funeral was attended by all of the previous presidents and some members of Congress. So might Carter, Clinton, Bush, Obama and Trump (and wives) attend as well? And who else from the US? ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/388 "2022-09-10T02:44:16Z")
I was just pointing out that Biden’s attendance was confirmed, as a point of information, as I had just learned about it. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/389 "2022-09-10T02:50:55Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > and Trump The guy who was so bored, he fell asleep on the Queen? ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/390 "2022-09-10T04:45:03Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > EDIT: I was interested to learn that Harry Truman did not attend – US Secretary of State Dean Acheson attended in his stead. In 1952, presidential travel abroad was still a novelty, and I’m not sure it would have been arranged at such short notice. Harry Truman only left the country five times, with his last trip being in 1947, and his only trip to Europe was for the Potsdam Conference. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/391 "2022-09-10T05:30:18Z")
Can the royal family(gently of course) let someone know they should NOT attend the funeral? You know, with all the talk of former presidents and all. ---
**Author:** ![Schnitte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/schnitte/32/9033_2.png) [@Schnitte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Schnitte)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/392 "2022-09-10T06:07:05Z")
They can bring it up behind the scenes. Ultimately, though, they would defer to the government’s judgment; if the Foreign Office says that, for foreign poicy reasons, this or that person should or should not be present, the royal family would yield. ---
**Author:** ![SanVito](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sanvito/32/2805_2.png) [@SanVito](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SanVito)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/393 "2022-09-10T06:34:48Z")
According to the BBC, it’s expected to be in Westminster Abbey, as the place where our monarchs are crowned. Closes the circle. ---
**Author:** ![SanVito](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sanvito/32/2805_2.png) [@SanVito](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SanVito)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/394 "2022-09-10T06:43:28Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > I’m not sure how attendance at her burial itself will be handled. It will be a small private family affair in the vault of St George’s Chapel in Windsor. No guests or cameras. ---
**Author:** ![APB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e8cbc/32.png) [@APB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/APB)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/395 "2022-09-10T07:49:49Z")
> [@SanVito](#): > > It will be a small private family affair in the vault of St George’s Chapel in Windsor. No guests or cameras. We don’t yet know what form the service at St George’s will take. Everything is unprecedented. The forms of royal funerals have evolved for television and it has long been recognised that the Queen’s funeral will be very different from what was done in 1952. The traditional form of a monarch’s funeral was that the only service would be at St George’s and that a full congregation would be invited. But other royal funerals on the largest scale during the Queen’s reign have created a different model - a big, public service in Westminster Abbey followed by a private burial elsewhere. That formula was basically set by Mountbatten’s funeral. The assumption was long that the Queen’s funeral would follow the form of that of her mother and that the burial at Windsor would be private. But Prince Philip’s funeral, although obviously a special case, has complicated things. That makes it not completely inconceivable that the service at St George’s will be broadcast, We’ll see. The arrangements for the Accession Council do show that a willingness to be bold in rethinking and adapting all the precedents. As for President Biden’s attendance, it’s not too surprising. That Johnson did not attend Churchill’s funeral is generally accepted to have been a major blunder. ---
**Author:** ![steepone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/977dab/32.png) [@steepone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steepone)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/396 "2022-09-10T07:53:49Z")
> [@](#): > > I wonder how long before Canada starts issuing coins with Charles’ likeness? I don’t know about Canada but here in Aus they have said it will be sometime next year ---
**Author:** ![SanVito](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sanvito/32/2805_2.png) [@SanVito](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SanVito)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/397 "2022-09-10T09:36:50Z")
Philip’s funeral was at St George’s, which is why we saw it there. We didn’t see the burial. We don’t ever see the burial. This will be no different. I think you’re confusing the funeral with the burial, which is the question I was responding to. ---
**Author:** ![blue\_infinity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blue_infinity/32/2817_2.png) [@blue\_infinity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blue_infinity)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/398 "2022-09-10T12:27:49Z")
> [@steepone](#): > > I don’t know about Canada but here in Aus they have said it will be sometime next year If I was in charge, the coins would be released the day of the coronation - just from a PR point of view. And I expect the coronation will be late spring or summer. That’s when the weather is best, and you don’t want it to rain on your parade. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/399 "2022-09-10T13:03:17Z")
It can get weird with women who have a title from both their father and their husbands. The late Queen was after her marriage and until accession Princess Elizabeth, Duchess of Edinburgh\*. As far as I can tell, the Duchess title was the one used more often. Conversely, he cousin Princess Alexandra, Lady Oligivly, is always called Princess Alexandra. Her granddaughter, Princess Beatrice, Mrs. Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi, also. \*Which is the source of the answer to the trick question, who would have succeeded Edward VIII if he hadn’t abdicated and married Wallis. The Duchess of Edinburgh. ---
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