# Breaking - The Queen is unwell (has died): 8 Sep 2022 **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** breaking-news\ **Created:** [September 8, 2022, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212 "2022-09-08T11:49:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/421 "2022-09-10T22:26:36Z")
Yeah, I’m sure some kind of trust is involved. And her husband did just inherit a tax-exempt duchy worth over a billion pounds. Maybe Meghan will get a nice tea service or some hats. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/422 "2022-09-10T22:37:43Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Meghan gets nothing. Maybe she’ll get that elephant given to the queen by the president of Cameroon. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/423 "2022-09-10T23:07:26Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Well [this](https://meaww.com/queen-elizabeth-ii-110-million-jewelry-kate-middleton-meghan-markle-nothing-of-value-camilla-london) is hardly surprising; Catherine gets most of the jewelry, Meghan gets nothing. It’s a bit of a burn on Camilla too. Hope Princess Anne and the granddaughters are splitting the rest of the collection. Right - Catherine being a future queen of England has nothing to do with that [/sarcasm] Harry and Meghan chose to walk away from being active royals, this sort of thing is probably one of the consequences of doing that. ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/424 "2022-09-10T23:10:14Z")
> [@slash2k](#): > > Eh, I’d take this with a grain of salt. A “sovereign to sovereign” transfer from Elizabeth to Charles is tax-free, but a bequest to the new Princess of Wales or other family would be subject to something like a 40% tax. The queen wasn’t foolish with her money. Eh? You’re saying she chose to incur a 40% tax? Anyway, the jewelry. Probably some of it will, after a respectable number of years, will be auctioned off for charity, as Diana’s gowns were. As for the rest, if Kate owns it outright, she can do as she likes with it, including sharing it out among her in-laws. I can see her gathering all the women together: “All right! Bea, you get this; Gen, you get that; Camilla, you get this and this; Sophie, this is for you, and this is for Louise when she’s 16…Meghan who?” ---
**Author:** ![slash2k](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@slash2k](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slash2k)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/425 "2022-09-10T23:16:23Z")
Expecting, maybe yes. Realistically expecting, no. The number of occasions where a tiara is even appropriate is fast-dwindling, and Meghan by her own choice isn’t going to be attending many of them. (For the Brits, the State Opening of Parliament, state dinners, and the Diplomatic Reception [and probably the upcoming coronation] are basically the only occasions; the continental royals typically wear tiaras at weddings, but at British royal weddings the bride is normally the only one.) (As a side note, it also occurs to me that if the Queen chose to skip Charles/Camilla, it would be to WILLIAM she’d leave the jewels, not Catherine, so that historic jewelry didn’t leave the family in the event of a divorce. That happened for example in Denmark: Queen Margrethe II gave her grandmother’s tiara to her daughter-in-law Alexandra, and eventually Alexandra divorced Prince Joachim and took the tiara with her.) ---
**Author:** ![peedin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peedin/32/14095_2.png) [@peedin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peedin)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/426 "2022-09-10T23:35:34Z")
I really wish the press would stop referring to Catherine as Kate Middleton. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/427 "2022-09-10T23:38:55Z")
Wikipedia has an [article](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewels_of_Elizabeth_II) on the queen’s jewelry, which is separate from the Crown Jewels, though some of this stuff might not be her personal property but instead owned by the Crown. I believe Balmoral, where she died, and Sandringham were owned by her (and didn’t she have a horse farm in Kentucky?). And I assume she also owned quite a bit of antiques, paintings and so forth aside from what the Crown owned. ---
**Author:** ![doreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/858c86/32.png) [@doreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doreen)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/428 "2022-09-10T23:40:19Z")
I might be missing something - but neither the article linked to nor the _radaronline_ article actually says anything definitive - there’s a lot of whispers about last-minute changes and “There’s a very good chance the Queen won’t leave either of them any jewels of value” and “If the Queen does indeed cut Meghan out,”. I’m not saying that Meghan wasn’t cut out - but no one in those articles is doing anything other than speculating. ---
**Author:** ![romansperson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/romansperson/32/17100_2.png) [@romansperson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/romansperson)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/429 "2022-09-10T23:47:56Z")
Yes, it just sounds like trashy gossip. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/430 "2022-09-11T00:00:22Z")
A tiara is _never_ inappropriate. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/431 "2022-09-11T00:12:56Z")
> [@susan](#): > > A tiara is _never_ inappropriate Even for a guillotining? ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/432 "2022-09-11T00:19:40Z")
Especially for a guillotining, no matter which role. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/433 "2022-09-11T00:38:05Z")
👍🏽😁 ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/434 "2022-09-11T00:42:34Z")
In her honor, I ordered fish & chips for dinner tonight. (The other thing I was considering was chicken tikka masala.) ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/435 "2022-09-11T01:11:01Z")
You should’ve ordered the chicken tikka masala and tried to pay in diamond. ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/436 "2022-09-11T01:47:39Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Sorry to prolong this aside (but ignorance being fought)… to me “bank holiday” sounds like ONLY the banks are closed and everything else runs as usual. But _bank holiday_ is the same thing as an American _federal holiday_, right? It’s a public holiday so it’s effectively the same as a three day weekend. Any shops that do stay open will operate shorter hours and have to pay their staff holiday rates if they want them to work. Supermarkets are usually still open on bank holidays but I’m betting many will close for this one. Public transport will still operate but at a Sunday service level. ---
**Author:** ![zimaane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a3d4f5/32.png) [@zimaane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zimaane)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/437 "2022-09-11T03:51:47Z")
Both are authentically British, so it’s good either way ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/438 "2022-09-11T04:07:40Z")
> [@slash2k](#): > > Eh, I’d take this with a grain of salt. A “sovereign to sovereign” transfer from Elizabeth to Charles is tax-free, but a bequest to the new Princess of Wales or other family would be subject to something like a 40% tax. The queen wasn’t foolish with her money. Yeah, I’d want this information to come from someplace other than what seems to be a low-rent blog that makes checkout stand tabloids look respectable. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/439 "2022-09-11T04:34:57Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > Maybe she’ll get that elephant given to the queen by the president of Cameroon. I think I know that one; kinda pale, was it? ---
**Author:** ![APB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e8cbc/32.png) [@APB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/APB)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/440 "2022-09-11T06:20:47Z")
> [@doreen](#): > > I might be missing something - but neither the article linked to nor the _radaronline_ article actually says anything definitive - there’s a lot of whispers about last-minute changes and “There’s a very good chance the Queen won’t leave either of them any jewels of value” and “If the Queen does indeed cut Meghan out,”. I’m not saying that Meghan wasn’t cut out - but no one in those articles is doing anything other than speculating. Worse, it’s the sort of gossip that will probably never be proved or disproved. The contents of the Queen’s will are unlikely to be made public and we’re also unlikely ever to find out if it was changed recently. Also, even if the Princess of Wales suddenly starts wearing items formerly owned by the Queen, it wouldn’t be certain that she has actually inherited them, as she may only be borrowing them. Perhaps only if the Duchess of Sussex starts doing so would there be evidence one way or the other and that would be to disprove the story. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212.md?page=23)