# Breaking - The Queen is unwell (has died): 8 Sep 2022 **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** breaking-news\ **Created:** [September 8, 2022, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212 "2022-09-08T11:49:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/521 "2022-09-13T16:51:41Z")
Canada has just announced a federal holiday for Sept 19. This is only for Federal employees, but Provinces may follow suit in the next while. ---
**Author:** ![zimaane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a3d4f5/32.png) [@zimaane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zimaane)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/522 "2022-09-13T16:55:26Z")
This was discussed after Diana’s death, but her family was opposed, so nothing came of it. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/523 "2022-09-13T17:19:58Z")
Huh, never heard they were against it. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/524 "2022-09-13T17:24:52Z")
News articles in Canada have certainly gotten up to speed with new terminology: > Ian McLeod, of the Department of Justice, said in an email Monday that Dupre’s extradition hearing is scheduled for Sept. 27 in the **Court of King’s Bench** in Edmonton. Bolding mine ---
**Author:** ![Sunspace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunspace/32/1250_2.png) [@Sunspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunspace)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/525 "2022-09-13T22:20:29Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > I blame myself for the queen’s death. Back in 1996, I had to fly from Bangkok to Japan. But the road to the airport was shut down for the queen and Prince Philip’s motorcade as they drove upcountry during their Thailand visit that year. I thought I would miss my flight and uttered a death curse on them both. As it turned out, I made my flight, barely. But I did not revoke the curse. And 26 years later, they’re both dead. Coincidence? Not bloody likely! > > RIP, Queen Elizabeth. You were one classy lady. The President of Latvia’s motorcade cut me off on the 427 on the way to work once. I wonder how she’s doing… ---
**Author:** ![gkster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gkster/32/14107_2.png) [@gkster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gkster)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/526 "2022-09-14T00:47:24Z")
My husband has visited England 3 times. The first time, August 1991, he was on his own, and the coup that was the beginning of the end of the Soviet Union happened. The 2nd time, August 1997, we were together, and Princess Diana died a few hours after we left. Before the 3rd time, August 2022, we joked about there being another big event. 2 weeks after our return, nothing had happened so we thought the streak was broken. Then Queen Elizabeth died. . . Who knows what will happen if we go back again? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/527 "2022-09-14T01:20:12Z")
🤔 How about a nice trip to Florida? ---
**Author:** ![gkster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gkster/32/14107_2.png) [@gkster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gkster)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/528 "2022-09-14T02:00:54Z")
LOL, we’ve had mixed results with Florida. Some trips have been uneventful, while on one we had a minor train fire and on another we had to drive fast to get away from a hurricane. Someone asked us to go back to England soon because they want King William instead of King Charles. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/529 "2022-09-14T13:52:40Z")
Watching the funeral procession, it very weird to see Anne and Edward in uniform and Andrew and Harry in civilian dress. I understand why neither is wearing it, but both of them actually served and it’s not as costume like it’s for Edward and Anne. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/530 "2022-09-14T14:02:58Z")
I’m watching the procession and it’s interesting. A couple of the horses seem to be a little frisky, with one attempting to rear a couple of times. And people are applauding as the procession passes, which seems wrong to me. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/531 "2022-09-14T14:16:16Z")
wouldn’t andrew and harry be able to wear the last serving uniform that they had during service? i understand that the ceremonials are not theirs, but they should be able to wear what they wore in service. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/532 "2022-09-14T14:19:17Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > wouldn’t andrew and harry be able to wear the last serving uniform that they had during service? I suspect it’s more a matter of their standing (or lack thereof) as active members of the royal family (Harry by choice, Andrew having had privileges removed by Elizabeth in the wake of the Jeffrey Epstein scandal). ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/533 "2022-09-14T14:21:07Z")
Strictly speaking since neither was cashiered and were released from service honourably, yes. But the problem is the current predicament they both find themselves in WRT to no longer being active working royals. For very different reasons, but with identical outcomes. > [@kenobi\_65](#): > > I suspect it’s more a matter of their standing (or lack thereof) as active members of the royal family (Harry by choice, Andrew having had privileges removed by Elizabeth in the wake of the Jeffrey Epstein scandal). I suspect that King Charles III will eventually restore both to some sort of status after a decent interval, cynically (especially as far as Andrew is concerned) once the matter has receded from the front of the public mind, ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/534 "2022-09-14T14:44:11Z")
It was impressive watching the procession this morning. Nobody else can put on a ceremony like the British do. I felt bad for the guys carrying the casket on their shoulders, that’s got to get uncomfortable after a few minutes. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/535 "2022-09-14T14:47:13Z")
Based on what I saw in a movie once, that’s the British way pallbearers carry the coffin, which is, I think, different from the American approach, which is to grab the handles or grab bar on the side of the coffin and to hold it at waist level. (Sort of like how someone noted upthread the hearses used in the UK and elsewhere were different from the American type.) ---
**Author:** ![zimaane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a3d4f5/32.png) [@zimaane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zimaane)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/536 "2022-09-14T14:53:26Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > That was charming. Thank you. You are welcome. The whole show is nice, if you are into gardens or royalty or both. It’s on the PBS app. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/537 "2022-09-14T15:01:10Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I felt bad for the guys carrying the casket on their shoulders, that’s got to get uncomfortable after a few minutes. BTW, don’t feel bad for them. I’m sure they’ve worked out to be fit enough to do it, and have practiced every step (probably with a practice coffin). And more importantly, this is a _huge_ honor and something they will remember for the rest of their lives. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/538 "2022-09-14T15:04:27Z")
I’m sure you’re right but still I got a little nervous with that crown looking so precarious on that pillow on top of the casket. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/539 "2022-09-14T15:09:22Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > wouldn’t andrew and harry be able to wear the last serving uniform that they had during service? My understanding is that the major conundrum is that Harry does _not_ have a uniform he could wear. He didn’t ever attain a senior enough rank to wear a uniform in retirement (or perhaps it’s that he resigned his commission rather than serving long enough to properly retire), and he later surrendered all honorary positions that come with a uniform. Andrew _does_ have a uniform to wear; while he surrendered his honorary appointments, he is still substantively a Vice Admiral as a result of a combination of his service and subsequent honorary promotions after his retirement. So the options are both of them in civilian dress or only Andrew in a uniform, and the latter option would be _much_ more optically inconvenient than what was seen today. ---
**Author:** ![mbh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a6a055/32.png) [@mbh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mbh)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/540 "2022-09-14T15:23:35Z")
I was a pallbearer for my 90±year-old grandmother. With the weight split between 8 pallbearers, it wasn’t really very heavy. But it was a bit awkward. I wonder if the soldiers rehearsed a bit, before the ceremony, to make sure that everybody would remain in lockstep when they had to make a turn. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212.md?page=26) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212.md?page=28)