# Breaking - The Queen is unwell (has died): 8 Sep 2022 **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** breaking-news\ **Created:** [September 8, 2022, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212 "2022-09-08T11:49:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 47
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/921 "2022-09-20T16:35:13Z")
> [@PatrickLondon](#): > > To the extent that, technically, Parliament only authorised the existence of an army for a year at a time- until 1955! You guys are positively progressive. We still have a system where the army can only be funded for a maximum of 2 years at a time. ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/922 "2022-09-20T17:15:50Z")
On the God Save the Queen/King issue - the BBC commentary also said they were playing “God Save The Queen” for the final time. I assume therefore that it was also intended to be sung. If nobody opened their mouths to sing then that’s a philosophical dilemma about what then was actually played. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/923 "2022-09-20T18:04:12Z")
> [@SanVito](#): > > _Really?_ Are we _still_ doing this to women? Care to comment about Biden’s hairline or Andrew’s paunch? Well, I thought at the time that the King could have used a trim. But he always looks that way so it was expected. He’s never been as refined looking as the Queen. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/924 "2022-09-20T22:13:10Z")
what was the deal with the flag when they took the casket off the C-17? I’m not sure what flag it was but they deliberately let it fall to the ground. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/925 "2022-09-20T22:37:10Z")
To be clear, the flag was on a staff/poll and the person lowered it to the ground as the casket came off the plane. I can’t find an image of it. ---
**Author:** ![mbh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a6a055/32.png) [@mbh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mbh)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/926 "2022-09-20T23:15:15Z")
In parades, when a unit marches past a monarch, (or when a monarch marches past a unit), it is traditional for the flag-bearer to dip the flag in salute. Republics ostentatiously make a point of not doing it. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/927 "2022-09-20T23:19:40Z")
[https://www.yahoo.com/video/trump-obama-invited-attend-washington-040659321.html](https://www.yahoo.com/video/trump-obama-invited-attend-washington-040659321.html) > All five living former U.S. presidents — including [Donald Trump,](https://www.foxnews.com/category/person/donald-trump) Barack Obama, George W. Bush, Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter — have been invited to “a Service of Thanksgiving for the Life of Her Late Majesty Queen Elizabeth II,” co-hosted by the British Embassy at the Washington National Cathedral in Washington, D.C. next week. > > “The Cathedral is honored to host a Service of Thanksgiving for the Life of Her late Majesty Queen Elizabeth II on Wednesday, Sept. 21, in partnership with the British Embassy,” the National Cathedral said in a statement. > > The service will be streamed online and will be made publicly available. ---
**Author:** ![Bootb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19b73/32.png) [@Bootb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bootb)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2022, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/928 "2022-09-20T23:29:02Z")
> [@mbh](#): > > In parades, when a unit marches past a monarch, (or when a monarch marches past a unit), it is traditional for the flag-bearer to dip the flag in salute. Republics ostentatiously make a point of not doing it. We’ve replaced that with saluting the national flag. > **§8. Respect for flag** > > No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor. > **[U.S. Flag Code](https://www.military.com/flag-day/us-flag-code.html)** > > Want to know how to properly respect the U.S. flag? Follow these rules, as stated by the U.S. Flag code. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/929 "2022-09-21T00:31:08Z")
This wasn’t a US flag or a National flag of the UK. Clearly it was dropped for the Queen but I was just surprised they let it touch the ground. It looked like a salute to the fallen of some kind. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/930 "2022-09-21T00:45:50Z")
Googling, the flag that was dipped was the “King’s Colour for the Royal Air Force.” ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/931 "2022-09-21T01:15:57Z")
THANK YOU. That was driving me nuts. Makes perfect sense dealing with the Royal Air Force. I noticed the name of the plane was the Kittyhawk01R. Is that a reference to the Wright Brothers? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/932 "2022-09-21T01:49:12Z")
During the funeral itself, dozens of military standards (flags) were dipped to the ground as the Queen’s coffin passed the Cenotaph: > **[A moving tribute to Queen Elizabeth II at the Cenotaph](https://royalcentral.co.uk/features/a-moving-tribute-to-queen-elizabeth-ii-at-the-cenotaph-181433/)** > > The Royal British Legion paid a special tribute to Queen Elizabeth II during her funeral as it lowered dozens of flags for Her Late Majesty as her coffin passed the Cenotaph. Ex-Service Association… ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/933 "2022-09-21T01:57:45Z")
> [@Bootb](#): > > We’ve replaced that with saluting the national flag. Honestly, the US flag has become the modern equivalent of the Golden Calf. It is _worshipped_ for itself and not what it is supposed to stand for. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/934 "2022-09-21T04:54:34Z")
You have the flag. We have living symbols ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 10:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/935 "2022-09-21T10:35:33Z")
If anyone has the inclination/stamina to see one more service, this is the YouTube link to watch the one today at the National Cathedral @ 10 AM, Eastern time. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/GgJz0FVaLXc/maxresdefault.jpg "9.21.22 A Service of Thanksgiving for the Life of Her late Majesty Queen Elizabeth II") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgJz0FVaLXc) ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/936 "2022-09-21T11:06:18Z")
> [@bump](#): > > But the whole expectation that the children and grandchildren are not going to cry or show emotion is pretty harsh IMO. I think it would go a long way to humanize the Royal Family if they actually cried or showed emotion of any sort. Maybe that’s the point- they’re not supposed to be _human_, but some sort of abstraction. The late Queen certainly would not approve of such a display of emotion. She was of a different generation. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/937 "2022-09-21T11:10:15Z")
The removal of the Imperil State Crown, orb and scepter us to be done just before burial right? Not a few hours before. ---
**Author:** ![slash2k](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@slash2k](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slash2k)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2022, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/938 "2022-09-21T13:41:24Z")
The removal was done near the end of the committal service at Windsor, just before the coffin was lowered into the vault. There was a private family service a few hours later where her coffin and Philip’s were placed together in their final resting place near her parents. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/939 "2022-09-22T13:10:54Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > > [@bump](#): > > > > But the whole expectation that the children and grandchildren are not going to cry or show emotion is pretty harsh IMO. I think it would go a long way to humanize the Royal Family if they actually cried or showed emotion of any sort. > > It’s toxic either way—being expected to show or not show emotion. Or, show some emotions and not others. My husband’s father came from an old WASP family. He cried at his grandmother’s funeral, and was chastised for not believing she was in heaven. Holy fuck, yes it’s toxic. (and … it wouldn’t be unreasonable for a small child to cry if a beloved grandparent was moving to California and the child would never see them again. What a horrible custom.) ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/940 "2022-09-22T23:35:15Z")
Is the song [Amazing Grace](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpZiPZwwXhM) not popular in the UK? It would be tough not to cry listening to that if the lone bagpipe player had ended the service with that song. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212.md?page=46) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212.md?page=48)