# Breaking - The Queen is unwell (has died): 8 Sep 2022 **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** breaking-news\ **Created:** [September 8, 2022, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212 "2022-09-08T11:49:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 49
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2022, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/961 "2022-09-29T16:13:55Z")
the queen’s death certificate has been released. she died of “old age” at 3:10pm sept. 8th. her daughter is listed as informant on the certificate. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2022, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/962 "2022-09-29T17:00:41Z")
May Her Majesty rest in well-deserved peace. She handled her new job at age 25 a lot better than most people would have, and went on to serve her country and the Commonwealth capably and diligently to the very end of her days. God save the King! ---
**Author:** ![sciurophobic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cab0a1/32.png) [@sciurophobic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sciurophobic)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2022, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/963 "2022-09-29T17:47:12Z")
[copy of death certificate here](https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/29/queen-elizabeth-died-of-old-age-death-certificate-says) I wonder if, besides her birth and marriage certificates, this was the only time her full name, including her last, has ever been used. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2022, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/964 "2022-09-29T18:04:48Z")
That is a pretty cool certificate. Her mother’s occupation: “The Queen Mother” I’m surprised dad’s wasn’t listed as “His Majesty The King”, since hers was “Her Majesty The Queen”. I wonder if that is tied to there being a King now. Would be interesting to see George VI’s certificate (assuming they did one) to see how his dad was listed. ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2022, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/965 "2022-09-29T18:12:43Z")
It shows her death was before most of the family had arrived and three hours and twenty minutes before the official announcement. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2022, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/966 "2022-09-29T18:46:09Z")
I thought we already knew that, because the prime minister had been informed week before the family arrived. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/967 "2022-09-30T18:17:46Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > I thought we already knew that, because the prime minister had been informed week before the family arrived. Well, _that’s_ certainly suspicious… ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/968 "2022-09-30T19:43:24Z")
sigh, That’s a typo, of course. It should have said: > I thought we already knew that, because the prime minister had been informed **well** before the family arrived. From the death certificate timing, it sounds like the Prime Minister was informed fairly quickly. Although… my mom’s death certificate lists the time when a doctor declared her dead. She actually died about an hour before that. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/969 "2022-10-02T21:42:04Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > the queen’s death certificate has been released. she died of “old age” at 3:10pm sept. 8th. her daughter is listed as informant on the certificate. I dispute this. There’s always a specific reason – hardening of the arteries, respiratory failure, _something_ that is more specific than “old age.” ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/970 "2022-10-02T21:43:36Z")
When someone dies of apparent natural causes at 96, I really doubt anyone is pushing for an autopsy. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/971 "2022-10-02T21:45:04Z")
I dunno. Can Charles explain his exact whereabouts at the time? ---
**Author:** ![mbh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a6a055/32.png) [@mbh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mbh)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/972 "2022-10-02T21:53:21Z")
Have all of the barrels of Malmsey been accounted for? ---
**Author:** ![doreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/858c86/32.png) [@doreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doreen)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/973 "2022-10-02T21:53:37Z")
There is typically something more specific than “old age” given as the cause (which doesn’t always require an autopsy) but i can understand why this is the situation that would be the exception. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/974 "2022-10-02T21:57:54Z")
> [@doreen](#): > > i can understand why this is the situation that would be the exception. From the article linked above, it doesn’t sound like this is exceptional: > Old age is acceptable if the doctor certifying death has cared for the patient for a long time, was not aware of any disease or injury that contributed to death and had observed a gradual decline in the person’s general health and functioning. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/975 "2022-10-02T22:13:39Z")
> [@doreen](#): > > There is typically something more specific than “old age” given as the cause (which doesn’t always require an autopsy) but i can understand why this is the situation that would be the exception. Exactly. There’s no reason for the cause to be any more specific. > [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > I dunno. Can Charles explain his exact whereabouts at the time? Can it. 👎🏽 ---
**Author:** ![doreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/858c86/32.png) [@doreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doreen)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/976 "2022-10-02T22:15:45Z")
That’s what the article says - but I actually didn’t mean that it would be the exception solely because it was the Queen. Queen or not, a 90 plus year old who dies at home with no specific injury or illness obviously contributing to death is kind of exceptional. And it would almost have to be a death at home,because a doctor at the hospital filling out the death certificate is unlikely to have cared for the patient for a long time and also be unaware of a more specific cause. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/977 "2022-10-03T03:46:45Z")
I apparently misunderstood your original comment. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/978 "2022-10-03T12:24:44Z")
But i also think the royal family, and the queen in particular, have been very private about the few areas where they CAN have privacy, and one of those is health. If there was a choice between listing the several conditions that likely contributed to her death and just saying “old age”, i think, on this case, there would be a strong bias towards “old age”. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/979 "2022-10-03T14:13:42Z")
in the u s, natural causes would be used rather than old age. i’m figuring that the queen had a do not resuscitate as she was not rushed to hospital and remained at home. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/980 "2022-10-03T15:06:11Z")
Butts of malmsey. This is the point at which _twice_ I fell asleep watching _Richard III._ When Olivier killed Gielgud. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212.md?page=48) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212.md?page=50)