# Breaking - The Queen is unwell (has died): 8 Sep 2022 **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** breaking-news\ **Created:** [September 8, 2022, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212 "2022-09-08T11:49:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/161 "2022-09-08T19:02:18Z")
And everyone in the line of succession takes one step forward. ---
**Author:** ![Bonum\_Legatum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bonum_legatum/32/6183_2.png) [@Bonum\_Legatum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bonum_Legatum)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/162 "2022-09-08T19:05:59Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > It’s got to be real tough for people to start singing God Save the King, most have never sung those words. I bet a ton of people are going to sing God Save the Qu- I mean King. Minus the anthem - the United States analogy would be the passing of FDR. Back then, many young soldiers serving in WWII said they only remembered him as President. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/163 "2022-09-08T19:08:51Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > They gonna have a big coronation with the carriage and everything? From BBC > The symbolic high point of the accession will be the coronation, when Charles is formally crowned. Because of the preparation needed, the coronation is not likely to happen very soon after Charles’s accession - Queen Elizabeth succeeded to the throne in February 1952, but was not crowned until June 1953. > > For the past 900 years the coronation has been held in Westminster Abbey - William the Conqueror was the first monarch to be crowned there, and Charles will be the 40th. > > It is an Anglican religious service, carried out by the Archbishop of Canterbury. At the climax of the ceremony, he will place St Edward’s Crown on Charles’s head - a solid gold crown, dating from 1661. > > This is the centrepiece of the Crown Jewels at the Tower of London, and is only worn by the monarch at the moment of coronation itself (not least because it weighs a hefty 2.23kg). > > Unlike royal weddings, the coronation is a state occasion - the government pays for it, and ultimately decides the guest list. > > There will be music, readings and the ritual of anointing the new monarch, using oils of orange, roses, cinnamon, musk and ambergris. No mention of carriage, I doubt he’ll borrow Harry’s restomod E-type, though. > **[King Charles III, the new monarch](https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-59135132)** > > At the moment the Queen died, the throne passed immediately to the former Prince of Wales. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/164 "2022-09-08T19:11:07Z")
> [@](#): > > There will be music, readings and the ritual of anointing the new monarch, using oils of orange, roses, cinnamon, musk and ambergris. Can you still get ambergris these days? I suppose if anyone can, it’s the King of England. ---
**Author:** ![Bonum\_Legatum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bonum_legatum/32/6183_2.png) [@Bonum\_Legatum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bonum_Legatum)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/165 "2022-09-08T19:13:05Z")
Crowned Queen on June 2, 1953. To put this in perspective: My web search turned up these contemporaries: - Harry S. Truman was president. - Nikita Khrushchev became First Secretary only a few months later. - Mao Zedong was Chairman of the People’s Republic of China. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/166 "2022-09-08T19:15:22Z")
> [@Bonum\_Legatum](#): > > Crowned Queen on June 2, 1953. To put this in perspective: There was no such thing as rock’n’roll… ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/167 "2022-09-08T19:19:21Z")
> [@Bonum\_Legatum](#): > > Harry S. Truman was president Eisenhower became president on Jan. 20, 1953. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/168 "2022-09-08T19:22:45Z")
Perfect! ---
**Author:** ![Asuka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@Asuka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asuka)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/169 "2022-09-08T19:25:47Z")
So wait if King Charles III were to suddenly die in a boating accident next week, would Prince Andrew become King? Is he still in the running? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/170 "2022-09-08T19:26:44Z")
As the King’s oldest child, William is now next in line. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/171 "2022-09-08T19:27:14Z")
> [@Asuka](#): > > So wait if King Charles III were to suddenly die in a boating accident next week, would Prince Andrew become King? Nope; the moment that Charles’s son, William, was born, he became next in the line of succession after Charles. Edit: After William, my understanding is that the line of succession now is: - Each of William’s three children - Henry - Each of Henry’s two children - _Then_, Andrew > **[King Charles III Era Begins After Queen Elizabeth’s Death— Here’s Who Is Next...](https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlieporterfield/2022/09/08/king-charles-iii-era-begins-after-queen-elizabeths-death--heres-who-is-next-in-line-for-the-throne/)** > > Elizabeth died Thursday afternoon, passing the crown on to her eldest son. ---
**Author:** ![Asuka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@Asuka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asuka)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/172 "2022-09-08T19:29:29Z")
How many boating accidents would Prince Andrew have to engineer to be King? ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/173 "2022-09-08T19:30:17Z")
There’s still at least 7 people in line in ahead of him. The Washington Post had a convenient graphic: [![](https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-stat/graphics/ai2html/succession-line-v6/SGZEFP6X6RAHXG5VSEOD37S4SY/updated-postdeath-succession-line-medium.jpg?v=1) ](https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-stat/graphics/ai2html/succession-line-v6/SGZEFP6X6RAHXG5VSEOD37S4SY/updated-postdeath-succession-line-medium.jpg?v=1) ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/174 "2022-09-08T19:34:57Z")
Interesting that Princess Anne is skipped in the line of succession for Prince Andrew, despite being older than him. > [@](#): > > Until 2013, older sisters in the royal family would be moved down a spot in the order of succession if their parents had a younger son — such as in Princess Anne’s case. > **[The Crown: Why Is Prince Andrew Ahead of Older Sister Princess Anne in the...](https://people.com/royals/prince-andrew-ahead-princess-anne-british-line-succession-the-crown/)** > > Until Prince Charles had children, his brother Prince Andrew was second in the line of succession to the British throne — despite having an older sister, Princess Anne ---
**Author:** ![Asuka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@Asuka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asuka)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/175 "2022-09-08T19:35:59Z")
Great info thanks! So what would happen if the new King and his kids and grandkids went on the Titanic 2s maiden voyage and it sank with all lives, would Britain be in a Monarchy Crisis if Andrew was next in line despite him “voluntarily” giving up most of his Royal duties? ---
**Author:** ![Teuton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/teuton/32/3864_2.png) [@Teuton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Teuton)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/176 "2022-09-08T19:36:29Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > - Henry > - Each of Henry’s two children Harry ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/177 "2022-09-08T19:39:06Z")
> [@Teuton](#): > > Harry Oops, yes, my typo there. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/178 "2022-09-08T19:39:09Z")
Parliament has the power to remove him from the line, should they choose. They have so far, not. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/179 "2022-09-08T19:39:35Z")
One thing I don’t understand is how royal houses work. Elizabeth I was the last of the Tudors because she had no heirs and they had to go up her family tree and then over to get to James, right? What would end the House of Windsor? I don’t see it happening- Elizabeth was pretty prolific and it’s hard for me to figure out a scenario where one of her progeny was not the monarch. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212/180 "2022-09-08T19:39:59Z")
> [@Teuton](#): > > > [@kenobi\_65](#): > > > > - Henry > > - Each of Henry’s two children > > Harry His proper name is Henry. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-the-queen-is-unwell-has-died-8-sep-2022/971212.md?page=10)