# Br'er Barack to plum git Br'er FOX **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 8, 2009, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brer-barack-to-plum-git-brer-fox/513084 "2009-10-08T18:18:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2009, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brer-barack-to-plum-git-brer-fox/513084/1 "2009-10-08T18:18:24Z")
[Story](http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1929058,00.html). [QUOTE=Gibbs] The best analogy is probably baseball, the only way to get somebody to stop crowding the plate is to throw a fastball at them. They move. [/QUOTE] Since the Clinton administration I’ve often marveled at the restraint of certain politicians when they are attacked by mud-slingers. Marveled, but not always admired. It’s almost like the Dem patry’s testicles have finally dropped. And I know this is my second thread title with a Gullah association with Obama. I really do admire the man, but I just couldn’t waste the opportunity to plum git Br’er FOX. It really is a hyperbolic association, I assure you. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2009, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brer-barack-to-plum-git-brer-fox/513084/2 "2009-10-08T18:25:20Z")
I have no clue what your title means but i applaud the efforts of the Obama administration for fighting back. ---
**Author:** ![Giles](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giles/32/60_2.png) [@Giles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giles)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2009, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brer-barack-to-plum-git-brer-fox/513084/3 "2009-10-08T18:25:50Z")
Well, I look forward to seeing that Br’er Ba-rabbit Obama getting even with that mean old Br’er Fox. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2009, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brer-barack-to-plum-git-brer-fox/513084/4 "2009-10-08T19:15:46Z")
I’m not loving the article, though. > [@](#): > > the New York Times ran a front-page story about the bubbling parental outrage over President Obama’s plan to address schoolchildren — even though the benign contents of the speech were not yet public. “You had to be like, ‘Wait a minute,’” says Gibbs. “This thing has become a three-ring circus.” > [@](#): > > the aha moment came when the Washington Post ran a second op-ed from a Republican politician decrying the “32” alleged czars appointed by the Obama Administration. Nine of those so-called czars, it turned out, were subject to Senate confirmation, making them decidedly unlike the Russian monarchs. “The idea — that the Washington Post didn’t even question it,” Dunn says, still marveling at the decision. Really? That’s the administration’s go-to move? There was bubbling outrage when the contents of the speech weren’t public, and only 23 of the 32 alleged czars aren’t subject to oversight? I don’t see either argument going well for the Dems. ---
**Author:** ![Giles](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giles/32/60_2.png) [@Giles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giles)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2009, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brer-barack-to-plum-git-brer-fox/513084/5 "2009-10-08T19:31:31Z")
I think the point is that the anti-Obama people go rabid on anything that Obama is doing or plans to do, regardless of the merits. So, for example, there was already a campaign orchestrated against Obama speaking to school students before they knew what he was going to say. And the PR people at the White House have now decided not to expect any kind of rational discourse from that corner, and to try to pre-empt the debate before they do. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2009, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brer-barack-to-plum-git-brer-fox/513084/6 "2009-10-08T19:47:12Z")
> [@Giles](#): > > I think the point is that the anti-Obama people go rabid on anything that Obama is doing or plans to do, regardless of the merits. So, for example, there was already a campaign orchestrated against Obama speaking to school students before they knew what he was going to say. “Of course we objected before we knew what he was going to say! The whole point was that we didn’t know whether it’d contain something objectionable, sure as the bubbling outrage dissipated once he released the transcript as we requested. There’s no point in waiting until after he says something objectionable – not when you can get valuable information ahead of time by just asking for something reasonable. It’s just a shame the White House didn’t give out that information without being prompted, but they made the right decision once We The People showed 'em the way.” > [@](#): > > And the PR people at the White House have now decided not to expect any kind of rational discourse from that corner, and to try to pre-empt the debate before they do. “But rational discourse is what they got ‘from that corner’: a request was made, and the White House complied in time for people to make up their own minds.” Can’t you hear Rush et al saying that? ---
**Author:** ![Giles](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giles/32/60_2.png) [@Giles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giles)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2009, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brer-barack-to-plum-git-brer-fox/513084/7 "2009-10-08T19:52:55Z")
What request was made for the contents of the speech before the offenderati got all hot and bothered about it? And did the protesting really die down after they found out what Obama was going to say? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2009, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brer-barack-to-plum-git-brer-fox/513084/8 "2009-10-08T19:56:15Z")
Fastball, hell. Beanball. Pitch at them until they drop or refuse to enter the box. Then kick them with your cleats. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2009, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brer-barack-to-plum-git-brer-fox/513084/9 "2009-10-08T20:04:44Z")
> [@Giles](#): > > What request was made for the contents of the speech before the offenderati got all hot and bothered about it? What got them hot and bothered _ **was** _ that they didn’t know what would be in it. [http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/04/us/04school.html](http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/04/us/04school.html) “Some parents said they were concerned because the speech had not been screened for political content. Nor, they said, had it been reviewed by the State Board of Education and local school boards, which, under state law, must approve the curriculum…” What set the context was that they’d been told a little. [Many conservatives enraged over Obama school speech - CNN.com](http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/04/obama.schools/index.html) “Some of the controversy surrounding Obama’s speech stems from a proposed lesson plan created by the Education Department to accompany the address. An initial version of the plan recommended that students draft letters to themselves discussing ‘what they can do to help the president.’” > [@](#): > > And did the protesting really die down after they found out what Obama was going to say? Sorta kinda, yeah. He released the script very soon before the address, and the protesting died down after the address, such that it’s potentially a hard call but probably edges out for the righties. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2009, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brer-barack-to-plum-git-brer-fox/513084/10 "2009-10-08T20:09:03Z")
I like Obama, I loathe Fox, but I’ll not believe the Democrats have a pair til I see some beard and a broken beer bottle. ---
**Author:** ![lalenin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3da27b/32.png) [@lalenin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lalenin)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2009, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brer-barack-to-plum-git-brer-fox/513084/11 "2009-10-08T20:47:24Z")
This can not possible go well for the White House. This is as likely to turn any political disagreement between the media and the WH into a 'No I didn’t!", “Yes, you did!” type of argument. And since it’s the WH vs. the media guess who will come out on top? ETA: and for those who think this will only affect Republicans, keep in mind there will a Republican in the WH one day again. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2009, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brer-barack-to-plum-git-brer-fox/513084/12 "2009-10-08T20:51:10Z")
> [@Giles](#): > > I think the point is that the anti-Obama people go rabid on anything that Obama is doing or plans to do, regardless of the merits. And the Bush-haters were calm, reasoned, logical people? ---
**Author:** ![Giles](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giles/32/60_2.png) [@Giles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giles)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2009, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brer-barack-to-plum-git-brer-fox/513084/13 "2009-10-08T20:58:10Z")
> [@ivylass](#): > > And the Bush-haters were calm, reasoned, logical people? There’s always a crazy fringe on every side of politics. The problem is that the craziness has infected the mainstream of the Republican Party in the last 11 months. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2009, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brer-barack-to-plum-git-brer-fox/513084/14 "2009-10-08T22:07:19Z")
[Modding]This is probably bound for Great Debates.[/Modding] > [@lalenin](#): > > This can not possible go well for the White House. This isn’t really new, since the White House was going after Rush Limbaugh from day one, for example. I don’t like the strategy. I think it’s inherently ridiculous for the president and his spokespeople, who are supposed have an agenda to implement and things to do, to be arguing with pundits who get paid to run their mouths and are not beholden to anybody except their advertisers. But that view may just be old fashioned. It’s media decentralization at work, the same way celebrities have their own twitter accounts rather than waiting around for reporters to interview them, and some sports teams have their own networks. I don’t see this helping the Obama administration, but it’s true that they didn’t have a clear message on the health care issue, and the “death panel” and “government run health care” hysteria were more comprehensible. That hurt them a lot. And their critiques of the news media are not wrong. You can get the press to cover any ridiculous issue or claim as long as you can convince somebody that there’s a controversy - which is not difficult to do - and coverage of “controversies” is self-perpetuating. And debunking birthers doesn’t matter, since they still benefit from the free coverage. The downside of this proposal is that it lowers the White House, gradually, to being one voice among many in a crowded and noisy media argument. Maybe that is going to happen inevitably anyway, but they’re giving up something in prestige and I don’t think they’ll gain very much from engaging their critics on the critics’ turf. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2009, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brer-barack-to-plum-git-brer-fox/513084/15 "2009-10-08T22:12:39Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > [Story](http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1929058,00.html). > Since the Clinton administration I’ve often marveled at the restraint of certain politicians when they are attacked by mud-slingers. Marveled, but not always admired. It’s almost like the Dem patry’s testicles have finally dropped. > And I know this is my second thread title with a Gullah association with Obama. I really do admire the man, but I just couldn’t waste the opportunity to plum git Br’er FOX. It really is a hyperbolic association, I assure you. Uncle Remus isn’t Gullah. If it were Gullah, it would be unintelligible. ---
**Author:** ![rowrrbazzle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rowrrbazzle/32/414_2.png) [@rowrrbazzle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rowrrbazzle)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2009, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brer-barack-to-plum-git-brer-fox/513084/16 "2009-10-08T23:08:14Z")
> [@Giles](#): > > There’s always a crazy fringe on every side of politics. The problem is that the craziness has infected the mainstream of the Republican Party in the last 11 months. Evan Thomas, editor of Newsweek, said Obama was “sort of god”. If there’s anything crazier or more mainstream, let me know. > [@Marley23](#): > > I don’t see this helping the Obama administration, but it’s true that they didn’t have a clear message on the health care issue Not a clear message? Congress wanted to ram their bill through before anyone could read it. To them, being unclear was a feature, not a bug. [quote=] The downside of this proposal is that it lowers the White House, gradually, to being one voice among many in a crowded and noisy media argument. [/QUOTE] Gee, and Obama wants to lower the USA to being just one nation among many. Coincidence? ---
**Author:** ![rowrrbazzle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rowrrbazzle/32/414_2.png) [@rowrrbazzle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rowrrbazzle)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2009, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brer-barack-to-plum-git-brer-fox/513084/17 "2009-10-08T23:15:03Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Fastball, hell. Beanball. Pitch at them until they drop or refuse to enter the box. Then kick them with your cleats. > [@Sampiro](#): > > I like Obama, I loathe Fox, but I’ll not believe the Democrats have a pair til I see some beard and a broken beer bottle. > [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > It’s almost like the Dem patry’s testicles have finally dropped. It’s more like your armbands are starting to show. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brer-barack-to-plum-git-brer-fox/513084/18 "2009-10-09T00:14:26Z")
> [@rowrrbazzle](#): > > It’s more like your armbands are starting to show. There are many different kinds of armbands. Elaborate please. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brer-barack-to-plum-git-brer-fox/513084/19 "2009-10-09T00:23:51Z")
Mine look like [these](http://www.funfantastic.com/ekmps/shops/cityglitz1000/images/bestway_swim_safe_arm_bands.jpg). ---
**Author:** ![Terraplane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@Terraplane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terraplane)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brer-barack-to-plum-git-brer-fox/513084/20 "2009-10-09T01:21:21Z")
> [@rowrrbazzle](#): > > Gee, and Obama wants to lower the USA to being just one nation among many. Coincidence? We are and always have been, literally, exactly that. It’s not a negative quality to admit the truth. Even if it scares you. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brer-barack-to-plum-git-brer-fox/513084.md?page=2)