# Brexit chaos at the ports: why is this a problem now, but was not a problem before the EU? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [January 5, 2019, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brexit-chaos-at-the-ports-why-is-this-a-problem-now-but-was-not-a-problem-before-the-eu/827260 "2019-01-05T19:40:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brexit-chaos-at-the-ports-why-is-this-a-problem-now-but-was-not-a-problem-before-the-eu/827260/201 "2019-01-11T16:12:02Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > She’s mentioned it, not highlighted it. I have absolutely no horse in this fascinating thread, but **Ramira** did in fact bold the phrase “English law firm” in post 195. Does your browser/reader not show **bold** text? ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brexit-chaos-at-the-ports-why-is-this-a-problem-now-but-was-not-a-problem-before-the-eu/827260/202 "2019-01-11T16:16:49Z")
> [@blindboyard](#): > > Honestly, I think Brexit is going very well. Meanwhile, [in reality](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-no-deal-dover-calais-impact-ferries-channel-tunnel-medicine-stockpile-nhs-a8672826.html)… > [@](#): > > The vindictive nature of the EU is on display for all to see. Meanwhile, [in reality](https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-unveils-minimal-brexit-safety-net-for-no-deal/)… > [@](#): > > People are getting jobs they wouldn’t previously have got. Meanwhile, [in reality](https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2018/12/11/study-no-deal-brexit-could-cost-uk-750000-jobs-infographic/)… > [@](#): > > And that’s all before Brexit has even happened. “My goodness,” said the sunbather, “The beach is so much less crowded since those tsunami sirens started to go off! And all before anything bad actually happened! Wait, where’d the sun go?” > [@](#): > > I was at a recruitment event not too long ago, and one of the companies were getting lip from the natives for not hiring people who aren’t Polish. One of the people they had sent to the event was Polish. But now they say they’re hiring normal people because they can’t be sure of their source of imported labour. The phrasing here really is quite telling. Let’s see who else spotted what I spotted. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brexit-chaos-at-the-ports-why-is-this-a-problem-now-but-was-not-a-problem-before-the-eu/827260/203 "2019-01-11T16:28:54Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > The phrasing here really is quite telling. Let’s see who else spotted what I spotted. The Poles are not the normal people? The overt and the naked hostility to the Polish? ---
**Author:** ![Malden\_Capell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malden_capell/32/5274_2.png) [@Malden\_Capell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malden_Capell)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brexit-chaos-at-the-ports-why-is-this-a-problem-now-but-was-not-a-problem-before-the-eu/827260/204 "2019-01-11T16:39:51Z")
> [@blindboyard](#): > > Honestly, I think Brexit is going very well. The Tories are in disarray, which can only be good for the nation. The vindictive nature of the EU is on display for all to see. Have you actually _bothered_ to read this thread? > [@](#): > > People are getting jobs they wouldn’t previously have got. Migration is going well. And that’s all before Brexit has even happened. Meanwhile my friends are losing their jobs as the jobs move abroad, and I’m losing friends as _they_ move abroad… > [@](#): > > I was at a recruitment event not too long ago, and one of the companies were getting lip from the natives for not hiring people who aren’t Polish. One of the people they had sent to the event was Polish. But now they say they’re hiring normal people because they can’t be sure of their source of imported labour. Yeah, I spotted it too. > [@](#): > > Obviously it would be nice if the government had spent the last couple of years coming up with a plan, setting up trade deals with foreign nations, that sort of thing, but I’ll settle for No Deal. They CAN’T set up trade deals. It’s ILLEGAL. But sure, moan about the lack of plan, without having a plan yourself. And I hope your job is the first to go with no Deal. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brexit-chaos-at-the-ports-why-is-this-a-problem-now-but-was-not-a-problem-before-the-eu/827260/205 "2019-01-11T16:40:28Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Meanwhile, [in reality](https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2018/12/11/study-no-deal-brexit-could-cost-uk-750000-jobs-infographic/)… do not worry, the [natural anglosaxon advantage will come out](https://www.ft.com/content/c1e5a0cc-13f1-11e9-a581-4ff78404524e) > [@](#): > > ``` > The Bank of England’s monetary policy committee has warned that the lack of productivity growth since the financial crisis means Britain’s companies have little room to absorb higher wage costs and may pass these higher costs on to consumers through inflation. > > ``` > > Policymakers at the central bank have said that without productivity growth they may need to raise interest rates to damp growth and prevent the economy from overheating. > > Some economists have warned that as uncertainty over the terms of the UK’s exit from the EU is reducing business investment, especially among the most internationally connected and productive companies, the country is unlikely to see an improvement in productivity soon. > > “Today’s dismal data illustrates the magnitude of the challenge we face in raising our productivity,” said Tej Parikh, senior economist at the Institute of Directors. Tutto va bene per la Brexit, specialmente i polacchi saranno disoccupati ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brexit-chaos-at-the-ports-why-is-this-a-problem-now-but-was-not-a-problem-before-the-eu/827260/206 "2019-01-11T16:54:02Z")
> [@Malden\_Capell](#): > > They CAN’T set up trade deals. It’s ILLEGAL. Well it could be possible to pre negotiate certain understandings in anticipation so simply being not allowed to execute under existing obligations is not the great binding constraint. What are the great binding constraints are [ol] [li]The UK government did not have the sufficient staff capacity to do this while also working on the framing of the Brexit[/li][li]More importantly, NO RATIONAL COUNTRY will negotiate a trade accord with just the UK when the parameters of the Brexit trade arrangement are not clear - it is completely not in their rational interest as a likely a waste of time[/li][li]It is inherently not attractive to negotiate with the UK outside of the EU when there has been no discernable coherence in the UK own position on the EU trade arrangement (No Deal WTO? Norway deal? what?)[/li][li]The EU trading zone is inherently more attractive by the size and collective market rules that are cohesive, lowering the costs. the uncertainly of what the UK may do make it not attractive to spend time given the risk of the goods standards[/li][/ol] The problem continues to be that for some strange and bizarre reason the English have not yet understood collectively that the Brexit is not merely telling the EU to fuck off and exressing the raging paranoia about the EU foreigners, it is a multilateral risk and for others striking deals with the UK is not attractive or rationale given the very substantial risk of getting wrong-footed by changes. The Trade Deals are expensive things to undertake taking huge human resources of skilled technical specialists and enormous work and attention to the details to avoid serious mistakes. The English keep talking and thinking as if the complexity of these thigns is something the Cabals in Brussels invent, having forgotten over 40 years the non EU complexities in trade, and it seems from 40 years of the easy talk always blaming every thing on Brussels as the very convenient Scapegoat. Maybe if the UK had rapidly adotped and stuck to a logically coherent vision (informed by the actual technical constraints of the international trade, not the illogical unicorns seeking) it could have pre negotiated some deals, but it is not very likely due to the standards risk. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brexit-chaos-at-the-ports-why-is-this-a-problem-now-but-was-not-a-problem-before-the-eu/827260/207 "2019-01-11T17:01:13Z")
> [@blindboyard](#): > > The vindictive nature of the EU is on display for all to see. It is? Must have missed that. > [@](#): > > People are getting jobs they wouldn’t previously have got. Yeah - in Paris and Frankfurt, though, not The City… ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brexit-chaos-at-the-ports-why-is-this-a-problem-now-but-was-not-a-problem-before-the-eu/827260/208 "2019-01-11T17:02:37Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > “My goodness,” said the sunbather, “The beach is so much less crowded since those tsunami sirens started to go off! And all before anything bad actually happened! Wait, where’d the sun go?” 😃 Brilliant. > [@](#): > > The phrasing here really is quite telling. Let’s see who else spotted what I spotted. Oh, yes, indeedy. ---
**Author:** ![SanVito](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sanvito/32/2805_2.png) [@SanVito](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SanVito)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brexit-chaos-at-the-ports-why-is-this-a-problem-now-but-was-not-a-problem-before-the-eu/827260/209 "2019-01-11T17:05:40Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > The phrasing here really is quite telling. Let’s see who else spotted what I spotted. Hard to miss really ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brexit-chaos-at-the-ports-why-is-this-a-problem-now-but-was-not-a-problem-before-the-eu/827260/210 "2019-01-11T17:35:11Z")
> [@Dead\_Cat](#): > > I don’t know why you keep highlighting the country of the law firm - what has that got to do with anything? Once the EU regulation has been agreed by all the member states, it is then is legislated for in each individual member state. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brexit-chaos-at-the-ports-why-is-this-a-problem-now-but-was-not-a-problem-before-the-eu/827260/211 "2019-01-11T17:36:42Z")
> [@blindboyard](#): > > But now they say they’re hiring normal people because they can’t be sure of their source of imported labour. Well. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brexit-chaos-at-the-ports-why-is-this-a-problem-now-but-was-not-a-problem-before-the-eu/827260/212 "2019-01-11T17:42:34Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > Tutto va bene per la Brexit, specialmente i polacchi saranno disoccupati Oh come on **Ramira** , Italian too? Stop showing us largely-monoglot Brits up! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brexit-chaos-at-the-ports-why-is-this-a-problem-now-but-was-not-a-problem-before-the-eu/827260/213 "2019-01-11T17:48:18Z")
It is a joke Italian though, and not good. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brexit-chaos-at-the-ports-why-is-this-a-problem-now-but-was-not-a-problem-before-the-eu/827260/214 "2019-01-11T17:50:08Z")
> [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > Once the EU regulation has been agreed by all the member states, it is then is legislated for in each individual member state. Yes and according to that country’s legal system. A French Code Civil reference may differ from an English common law ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Dead\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Cat)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brexit-chaos-at-the-ports-why-is-this-a-problem-now-but-was-not-a-problem-before-the-eu/827260/215 "2019-01-11T18:01:25Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > You keep asserting it is "actively unhelpful but show no understanding of what the ODR does and make no practical reference . You just won’t give up being wrong about this, will you? Directing consumers down a route to make a complaint which not only has no teeth if the firm decides not to engage with it, but will also simply refer back to an existing body (that already has to be disclosed) if the firm does engage with it, is what I call “actively unhelpful”. What would you call it? > [@](#): > > Instead you simply assert. (how the online reference for the online sales platforms without the hard obligations can be unhelpful for the smoothing of the online consumer goods sales trade within the EU completely escapes rational analysis) Hopefully you will now understand that it is you who has been missing the point, though based on past experience I’m not holding my breath. > [@](#): > > The regulation simply requires the consumer facing notice of the ability to use the referral plateform for the traders who are doing business **on-line** selling to **consumers** and the ability of the consumers to clearly be able to contact and use an ADR mechanism (indeed even in the very home country of the trader! oh dear!). > > Oh my god the horror of the Brussels commissar, this horrid burden of providing to the consumer the reference on the website or the sales Appi tool a link-access to the less expensive Alternative Dispute Resolution… And I am saying that in some industries, regulations already exist to do this and therefore another one is unnecessary, and indeed a waste of everyone’s time and money, no matter how little. > [@](#): > > It has already been covered why “opting out” for the online consumer facing information makes no sense if you are not putting up a Great English Wall of Internet (and of course are staying in the EU)… And I have already explained why your “Great English Wall of Internet” is a complete strawman that has no relevance to this particular discussion, but evidently you have chosen to ignore this as it means you might have to admit that you are wrong about what is really only a small detail of the big picture. Overall I reckon I have conceded about 90% of my original points in this thread, but you still seem to want to die on this hill. Really, if this was how the EU negotiators behaved, it would be no surprise if it is not possible for Britain to get an acceptable deal. Fortunately I don’t believe this is the case but I think the analogy is apposite. > [@](#): > > … So now you have galloped off to a new set of shifted goal posts - in general logical incoherence with the other complaints. > > Fine it is understood no objective facts are of any utility. All is only to fit into the existing conclusion… I could say the same for you, I expect others may agree on this point but would rather not do so because they are much more aligned with your general position than mine. > [@Nava](#): > > She’s mentioned it, not highlighted it. As noted by another poster, it was bolded for no reason that I could see other than the one I suggested. In conjunction with the tone of other posts I think my inference was perfectly reasonable, even if it was the wrong one. > [@](#): > > She searched for information from a British law firm because an analysis from a French or Spanish firm, while perfectly correct, would > > 1. most likely have been in a language you don’t understand, and > 2. have been 100% sure to care about how the regulation affects, respectively, persons in France and Spain rather than about how it affects those in the UK. > > These two reasons are also why the country of the law firm is relevant. That you don’t understand this isn’t just frustrating, it’s “I’m not pulling my hairs out because they’re so short it’s impossible” levels of frustrating: you don’t understand it, not because it’s difficult to understand, but because rather than think “why has she provided information specifically from an English firm and not one from any other country”, you’ve jumped directly into “she is insulting me by using information from an English law firm and not one from any other country! How dare she!” She’s going out of the way to be helpful, you find this insulting. UK-EU relations in a nutshell. The only thing I misunderstood was the unnecessary bolding. I’m not saying that makes the source invalid, just like the inflammatory posting style does not invalidate the facts therein. There’s no need to get in such a palaver about it. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brexit-chaos-at-the-ports-why-is-this-a-problem-now-but-was-not-a-problem-before-the-eu/827260/216 "2019-01-11T18:16:26Z")
> [@Dead\_Cat](#): > > You just won’t give up being wrong about this, will you? Directing consumers down a route to make a complaint which not only has no teeth if the firm decides not to engage with it, but will also simply refer back to an existing body (that already has to be disclosed) if the firm does engage with it, is what I call “actively unhelpful”. What would you call it? You know the UK agreed to this structure, right? It’s not exactly the most pressing matter of our age. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brexit-chaos-at-the-ports-why-is-this-a-problem-now-but-was-not-a-problem-before-the-eu/827260/217 "2019-01-11T18:53:03Z")
> [@Dead\_Cat](#): > > You just won’t give up being wrong about this, will you? It is hard to give up being wrong when one is not wrong. > [@](#): > > Directing consumers down a route to make a complaint which not only has no teeth if the firm decides not to engage with it, but will also simply refer back to an existing body (that already has to be disclosed) if the firm does engage with it, is what I call “actively unhelpful”. What would you call it? I call it Actively being a myopic provincial and actively misrepresenting/misunderstadning the Regulation. But I understand in fact there is zero EU action that can please you as you are a small England PoV and dislike all the EU things as foreign impositions, reflexively. As a reminder: your words: > [@](#): > > My specific beef with the EODR is not so much that it exists, but that firms were essentially required to use it even when they only traded in the UK and a (better) UK version of the same service was already available. Required to use it of course was wrong - required to provide a link and of course the logic of the the regulation provides for a pan Trading area coordinating reference - as it says. So a British firm selling to the Danemark customer , the danish customer is not disadvantaged by not having a clear access. The entire point of the regulation is the facilitation of the contacts across the online trading across the entire customs union zone - so that there is facilitation beyond the natoinal entities for online buyers - online buying by its nature within a customs union being inherently transborder. Of course your pov of you give no fucks about the foreigners or the EU customers, only the little England, so of course you give no value to this. But that is not a flaw in the regulation or the implementation of it at least in the legal structure, that is a rejection of the EU concept. - fine this is a position you obviously take with great emotional attachment. This is again different than the regulation being bad as you have asserted originally among other non factual assertions. > [@](#): > > Hopefully you will now understand that it is you who has been missing the point, though based on past experience I’m not holding my breath. No, I am not wrong nor have I missed the point, your original complaint was about ‘duplication’ (and evidently mistakenly thinking the EODR replaced the English ADRs existing) and complaining about no Opt Out - it is simply that your original before moving your goal posts many times objection was factually entirely wrong. Now it is simply based on the reflexive dislike of the non-English regulation at all. > [@](#): > > And I have already explained why your “Great English Wall of Internet” is a complete strawman that has no relevance to this particular discussion, No you asserted it with much vigorous hand waiving. It remains that **so long as there is not an English only internet, online consumer sales sites do the sales via the online will of the necessity be exposed to the Customs union and to achieve the most efficient and least burden**. ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Dead\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Cat)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brexit-chaos-at-the-ports-why-is-this-a-problem-now-but-was-not-a-problem-before-the-eu/827260/218 "2019-01-11T18:55:56Z")
> [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > You know the UK agreed to this structure, right? It’s not exactly the most pressing matter of our age. No, it’s not the biggest issue. Just a small example. A friend, much older and wiser than I, once told me that there are only 3 small subjects on which he considers himself a real expert. And every time he sees something about one of those subjects in the media, there are inevitably errors. Therefore, he reasoned, similar is likely to apply to almost any subject being reported on in the media. I would suggest similar reasoning is applicable to the way the EU works. If I, in the very small spheres in which I operate, have in the last 5 or so years observed 2 or 3 absurd situations perpetrated by the EU, is it not reasonable to assume that similar is likely occurring in other spheres? And that the institution is therefore perhaps no longer fit for purpose and not an organisation one wishes to have affiliation with, let alone pay for? In terms of the UK “agreeing to the situation”? Did they really? Or were they outvoted? Or perhaps ground down by interminable debate among all the vested interests? That is the sort of thing I wished to vote against. It is indeed regrettable that the consequences of that have so far not been good, but things will soon sort themselves out one way or the other. To repeat myself from earlier - this thread has convinced me that people are right to point out the dangers of a no deal Brexit. By doing so, they should prevent this actually occurring. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brexit-chaos-at-the-ports-why-is-this-a-problem-now-but-was-not-a-problem-before-the-eu/827260/219 "2019-01-11T19:40:34Z")
> [@Dead\_Cat](#): > > In terms of the UK “agreeing to the situation”? Did they really? Or were they outvoted? Or perhaps ground down by interminable debate among all the vested interests? That is the sort of thing I wished to vote against. You tell us. It’s the sort of thing you wished to vote against after all, and it’s an issue you have some knowledge of and a strong opinion about. Moving on, does anyone know if negotiating entire trade deals from scratch involves any sort of interminable debate among all the vested interests? Asking for a friend. ---
**Author:** ![Malden\_Capell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malden_capell/32/5274_2.png) [@Malden\_Capell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malden_Capell)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2019, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brexit-chaos-at-the-ports-why-is-this-a-problem-now-but-was-not-a-problem-before-the-eu/827260/220 "2019-01-11T19:52:48Z")
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