# Brexit - general discussion thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 12, 2018, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brexit-general-discussion-thread/824424 "2018-11-12T20:29:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 45
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2019, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brexit-general-discussion-thread/824424/882 "2019-02-11T16:29:49Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > After all, it turned out so well the last time you had one! I think you can make a reasonable argument that the American Revolution was a civil war, as it was basically English people (and those they colonized / immigrants from elsewhere) against more of the same. And that brought us America! Which brought us Trump, so, I guess, never mind. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2019, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brexit-general-discussion-thread/824424/883 "2019-02-12T04:51:52Z")
In the long run, even the best things can turn to shit. ---
**Author:** ![Malden\_Capell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malden_capell/32/5274_2.png) [@Malden\_Capell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malden_Capell)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2019, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brexit-general-discussion-thread/824424/884 "2019-02-14T21:32:00Z")
Another day, another Commons defeat for HMG - and this time the Government’s own motion was defeated. And yet she’s still there, clinging to office. Insane. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2019, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brexit-general-discussion-thread/824424/885 "2019-02-14T21:34:07Z")
More on that defeat: [https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/brexit-theresa-may-defeated-as-tories-refuse-to-back-her-plan-g2xxplnvv](https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/brexit-theresa-may-defeated-as-tories-refuse-to-back-her-plan-g2xxplnvv) ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2019, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brexit-general-discussion-thread/824424/886 "2019-02-14T22:19:10Z")
> [@Malden\_Capell](#): > > And yet she’s still there, clinging to office. She’s not so much clinging to office as stranded there, as no one else wants the job, and so no one will put her out of her misery. Also, the only potential replacements for her, either if she’s replaced as leader by another Tory or loses an election and C\*rbyn gets in, are (astonishing as it may seem) worse than she is. I’m honestly not sure what the way forward is now. I will say that I’m nostalgic for Tony Blair, and _that_ is not somethign I thought I’d ever say. ---
**Author:** ![UDS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecae2f/32.png) [@UDS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UDS)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2019, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brexit-general-discussion-thread/824424/887 "2019-02-15T03:02:22Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > More on that defeat: [https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/brexit-theresa-may-defeated-as-tories-refuse-to-back-her-plan-g2xxplnvv](https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/brexit-theresa-may-defeated-as-tories-refuse-to-back-her-plan-g2xxplnvv) Paywalled for me. Does it say anything interesting? ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2019, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brexit-general-discussion-thread/824424/888 "2019-02-15T06:18:14Z")
Try this one: [https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/14/theresa-may-defeated-on-brexit-again-as-erg-tories-abstain](https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/14/theresa-may-defeated-on-brexit-again-as-erg-tories-abstain) Still there is deadlock and seemingly no way to break it without someone making a dramatic reversal. Neither she nor Corbyn is up for smashing their party apart, but this tortoise race towards March 29th is increasingly forcing them towards such a choice. "And those behind cried ‘Forward!’ While those in front cried ‘Back!’ " ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2019, 9:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brexit-general-discussion-thread/824424/889 "2019-02-15T09:18:31Z")
May has accused Labour of putting party interest ahead of national interest, but this is exactly what she has been doing all along. She’s refused to reach out to other parties and find a compromise, in the hope of keeping the Tories united, but this has backfired. A split in both Tories and Labour, and a completely new alignment would make a lot of sense now. The ERG and right-wingers under Rees-Mogg in one party, the Corbynistas in another, and the bulk of sensible, competent and moderate MPs in a new party. ---
**Author:** ![Treppenwitz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treppenwitz/32/3445_2.png) [@Treppenwitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treppenwitz)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2019, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brexit-general-discussion-thread/824424/890 "2019-02-15T13:38:29Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > I’m honestly not sure what the way forward is now. I will say that I’m nostalgic for Tony Blair, and _that_ is not somethign I thought I’d ever say. Amen to that, brother. (Or sister.) j ---
**Author:** ![Treppenwitz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treppenwitz/32/3445_2.png) [@Treppenwitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treppenwitz)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2019, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brexit-general-discussion-thread/824424/891 "2019-02-15T13:39:38Z")
> [@GreenWyvern](#): > > A split in both Tories and Labour, and a completely new alignment would make a lot of sense now. The ERG and right-wingers under Rees-Mogg in one party, the Corbynistas in another, and the bulk of sensible, competent and moderate MPs in a new party. Another Amen. j ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2019, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brexit-general-discussion-thread/824424/892 "2019-02-15T14:41:05Z")
> [@GreenWyvern](#): > > …A split in both Tories and Labour, and a completely new alignment would make a lot of sense now. The ERG and right-wingers under Rees-Mogg in one party, the Corbynistas in another, and the bulk of sensible, competent and moderate MPs in a new party. …with an instant majority. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2019, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brexit-general-discussion-thread/824424/893 "2019-02-15T15:07:21Z")
I dunno - how many MPs could really be considered to be “sensible, competent and moderate”? ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2019, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brexit-general-discussion-thread/824424/894 "2019-02-15T15:45:46Z")
> [@Treppenwitz](#): > > Another Amen. > > j Well.,… Having only one credible option open to the centre is not good for democracy in the not very long run (e.g., French Fourth Republic, Weimar Republic). Besides, the time is ripe for a paradigm shift away from split-the-difference centrism, when it comes to tax and spend policies, not to mention the radical shift that’s needed in the face of climate change. Moderation for its own sake is not enough - arguably, it’s one of the reasons why so many voters chose the referendum to revolt against the political status quo. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brexit-general-discussion-thread/824424.md?page=44)