# Brian Jones stays in Stones 1969 forward or Mick Taylor stays in Stones 1974 forward
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brian-jones-stays-in-stones-1969-forward-or-mick-taylor-stays-in-stones-1974-forward/844501
**Category:** Cafe Society
**Created:** [December 7, 2019, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brian-jones-stays-in-stones-1969-forward-or-mick-taylor-stays-in-stones-1974-forward/844501 "2019-12-07T04:31:16Z")
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### Author:  [@escaped](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/escaped)
#### Post date: [December 7, 2019, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brian-jones-stays-in-stones-1969-forward-or-mick-taylor-stays-in-stones-1974-forward/844501/1 "2019-12-07T04:31:16Z")
If either Jones or Taylor stayed dint the tones what direction would the ban d of went in???
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### Author:  [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)
#### Post date: [December 7, 2019, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brian-jones-stays-in-stones-1969-forward-or-mick-taylor-stays-in-stones-1974-forward/844501/2 "2019-12-07T04:39:15Z")
They both would have been interesting, but I’ll take Mick Taylor. The later 70s albums would have been much better. Can you imagine She’s So Cold with Taylor on lead guitar?
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### Author:  [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)
#### Post date: [December 7, 2019, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brian-jones-stays-in-stones-1969-forward-or-mick-taylor-stays-in-stones-1974-forward/844501/3 "2019-12-07T04:43:27Z")
Obviously you can’t say for sure, but neither was a significant songwriter. Both contributed and Taylor did help compose/write several things. But it would have been the Jagger-Richards show regardless as neither seemed to have had the standing in the band to strongly push back against those two past a certain point. Jones was gradually shunted out of his leadership role, Taylor was basically a hireling much like Ron Wood was up until 1990.
So _most likely_ not a tremendous difference. Maybe a little more exotic instrumental coloring from Jones, certainly more lead guitar lines from Taylor. But at a guess the songwriting and band trajectory mostly remains on a similar track.
But assuming personalities stayed more or less the same, it seems really likely both would have wandered away at some point.
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### Author:  [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)
#### Post date: [December 7, 2019, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brian-jones-stays-in-stones-1969-forward-or-mick-taylor-stays-in-stones-1974-forward/844501/4 "2019-12-07T04:51:23Z")
I figured out what you meant, but it took a while. You might want to ask a mod to change the title so people can follow it. I checked your other posts, and they often have confusing spacing, like:
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But, on topic, I dearly wish Brian had stayed a Stone, BUT that would’ve been impossible without him getting serious professional help. In terms of drug use and mental issues.
If so, the Rolling Stones would’ve had more diverse instrumentation and experimentation.
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### Author:  [@bionic\_man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bionic_man)
#### Post date: [December 7, 2019, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brian-jones-stays-in-stones-1969-forward-or-mick-taylor-stays-in-stones-1974-forward/844501/5 "2019-12-07T06:01:50Z")
I like both.I like to seen wilko johnson become
A stone.
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### Author:  [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)
#### Post date: [December 7, 2019, 8:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brian-jones-stays-in-stones-1969-forward-or-mick-taylor-stays-in-stones-1974-forward/844501/6 "2019-12-07T08:39:35Z")
> [@escaped](#):
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> If either Jones or Taylor stayed dint the tones what direction would the ban d of went in???
What?
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### Author:  [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mean_Mr.Mustard)
#### Post date: [December 7, 2019, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brian-jones-stays-in-stones-1969-forward-or-mick-taylor-stays-in-stones-1974-forward/844501/7 "2019-12-07T12:45:21Z")
> [@escaped](#):
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> If either Jones or Taylor stayed dint the tones what direction would the ban d of went in???
Dibs on band name: Dint the Tones
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### Author:  [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)
#### Post date: [December 7, 2019, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brian-jones-stays-in-stones-1969-forward-or-mick-taylor-stays-in-stones-1974-forward/844501/8 "2019-12-07T12:57:57Z")
Jagger and Richard had a lot of contempt for Brian Jones, especially because he couldn’t write a decent song. They were vicious to him. It was a similar situation with Ringo and the Beatles. Ringo tended to rewrite other times and the other were amused by it, but didn’t ridicule him.
Jones probably would have become more and more marginalized in the group.
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### Author:  [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)
#### Post date: [December 7, 2019, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brian-jones-stays-in-stones-1969-forward-or-mick-taylor-stays-in-stones-1974-forward/844501/9 "2019-12-07T12:59:27Z")
Jagger and Richard had a lot of contempt for Brian Jones, especially because he couldn’t write a decent song. They were vicious to him. It was a similar situation with Ringo and the Beatles. Ringo tended to rewrite other times and the other were amused by it, but didn’t ridicule him.
Jones probably would have become more and more marginalized in the group.
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### Author:  [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)
#### Post date: [December 7, 2019, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brian-jones-stays-in-stones-1969-forward-or-mick-taylor-stays-in-stones-1974-forward/844501/10 "2019-12-07T13:10:40Z")
[Moderating]
I _think_ I fixed the typos.
What sort of input device are you using?
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### Author:  [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)
#### Post date: [December 7, 2019, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brian-jones-stays-in-stones-1969-forward-or-mick-taylor-stays-in-stones-1974-forward/844501/11 "2019-12-07T15:04:20Z")
Mick Taylor would have been great if he stayed with the Stones and _he kept his enthusiasm up_. The latter is the problem. If he just wasn’t into the mega rock 'n roll lifestyle, then that would have turned into a negative.
To have Jones staying with the Stones and be of any good would require quite a bit of magic. And not just getting (relatively) clean.
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### Author:  [@RioRico](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RioRico)
#### Post date: [December 8, 2019, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brian-jones-stays-in-stones-1969-forward-or-mick-taylor-stays-in-stones-1974-forward/844501/12 "2019-12-08T04:03:21Z")
Jones staying with the Stones would have been problematic because dead. Maybe his singing skeleton could grace various SYMPATHY FOR THE DEVIL rehashes.
IIRC Taylor quit because he didn’t want his family exposed to the band’s excesses. His staying would indicate a moral crisis behind his tasty guitar chops.
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### Author:  [@Horatio\_Hellpop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatio_Hellpop)
#### Post date: [December 8, 2019, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brian-jones-stays-in-stones-1969-forward-or-mick-taylor-stays-in-stones-1974-forward/844501/13 "2019-12-08T04:17:23Z")
Jones was pretty marginalized a good while before he died, and had actually quit the band shortly before his death (though I doubt anyone took that resignation very seriously). His original vision of the band, as British blues purists, was dead in the water three or four albums in. He had been the leader of the band in its early days, but was as irrelevant as Fredo Corleone by 1970. Had he lived, I suspect he would have quit for real, attempted unsuccessfully to start a new band, and gone to jail for shooting [Lana Clarkson](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lana_Clarkson) years later or some similar fate.