# Brian Kelly (ND Football Coach) I hope your nightmares keep you up at night **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 28, 2010, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brian-kelly-nd-football-coach-i-hope-your-nightmares-keep-you-up-at-night/558685 "2010-10-28T17:43:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brian-kelly-nd-football-coach-i-hope-your-nightmares-keep-you-up-at-night/558685/21 "2010-10-29T05:52:10Z")
> [@Darth\_Nader](#): > > Wow. Really. Dude, I live in freakin’ Texas, and none of that shit would get by. > > Folks gotta buckle in, they have spotters, and don’t work 16 hour shifts! > > Any lift or reach not beeping up or down or in reverse scares the hell out of me and is taken out of service until repaired. It gets by in Texas (and every other state) every day. Go watch a trade show or a convention load in. Particularly go watch a convention’s general session load in to some ballroom. I will bet you a doughnut it happens within 30 minutes of you walking into the room. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brian-kelly-nd-football-coach-i-hope-your-nightmares-keep-you-up-at-night/558685/22 "2010-10-29T06:15:00Z")
> [@t-bonham@scc.net](#): > > He would have probably been fired for doing that. And most such jobs are part of a work/study program at the college, so he would be at risk of losing his scholarship and having to quit college (or pay a whole lot more). That would likely have had a major effect on his thinking about refusing. Which is the same reason that people do unsafe things all the time: they know that if they don’t, their employer can easily find someone else who will. And employers know that the penalties are worth the risk of getting caught, maybe even the risk of getting sued. > [@3 May 2010](#): > > The Occupational Safety and Health Administration is increasing penalties for serious safety violations, contending current fines are too low to have a deterrent effect. > > OSHA’s average penalty for a serious violation has been around $1,000. Under the agency’s new policy, the average fine for a serious violation—one that could cause death of serious injury—will increase to between $3,000 and $4,000. > > The agency would like to increase penalties even further, but is constrained by current legal maximums of $7,000 for serious violations and $70,000 for willful violations. See that? That’s what your life is worth: $7,000. $70,000 if OSHA can prove that the employer knew about the situation and did nothing about it, or if the company has a history of being cited by OSHA for the same infraction. But guess what? It almost never happens, even when the case seems cut-and-dried. Look up the deaths of Richard Luzier & Travis Koehler at the Orleans in Las Vegas, or the death of [Vincente Rodriguez](http://www.homeland1.com/homeland-security-news/853017-las-vegas-casino-bypassed-911-after-fatal-showroom-accident/), which happened his very first day on the job. > [@](#): > > When stage rigger Vicente Rodriguez last year fell almost 40 feet to his death in a showroom on the Strip, the hotel’s security office did not dial 911, according to the Metropolitan Police Department office that processes emergency calls. > > \ > > In June, the Nevada Occupational Safety & Health Administration settled with Rhino Las Vegas, the MGM subcontractor for whom Rodriguez was working when he died of a snapped neck. Nevada OSHA settled a related case with the hotel itself in late 2009. MGM Grand and Rhino Las Vegas paid a total of $23,800 in OSHA penalties. So not only did his employer place Rodriguez in an unsafe, perilous work environment, he had no training or experience at all doing the type of work he was assigned. Then, his employer and the company they were contracted to work for both failed to summon help in a timely manner. And what did it cost them? Less than the cost of a Prius. TOTAL. Assuming that was split down the middle, that’s barely the cost of a semester at college apiece. And yet there are people who want to do away with OSHA entirely, on the argument that employers would police themselves. HAHAHAHA! They don’t police themselves adequately **now** ; why would they without the threat of even these meager penalties? “The Free Market will take care of it” my ass. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brian-kelly-nd-football-coach-i-hope-your-nightmares-keep-you-up-at-night/558685/23 "2010-10-29T06:22:23Z")
Missed my own edit window, of course. ETA: Sorry for the safety hijack. It’s a subject very important to me. I’ve been hurt at work, including nearly killed twice. I’ve had friends become permanently disabled due to injuries suffered on the job. My business is a lot of fun, but can turn deadly in a millisecond, and when people deliberately ignore safety guidlines and put themselves and others at risk _knowing they are doing so_, I tend to get chapped. Sometimes just talking about the subject does the same thing. I now return you to the rest of the thread. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brian-kelly-nd-football-coach-i-hope-your-nightmares-keep-you-up-at-night/558685/24 "2010-10-29T06:39:23Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > So not only did his employer place Rodriguez in an unsafe, perilous work environment, he had no training or experience at all doing the type of work he was assigned. Then, his employer and the company they were contracted to work for both failed to summon help in a timely manner. And what did it cost them? Less than the cost of a Prius. TOTAL. Assuming that was split down the middle, that’s barely the cost of a semester at college apiece. No, not TOTAL. OSHA penalties ONLY. There would probably also be either a wrongful death claim or workmen’s comp claim against the hotel and/or employer, depending on the employment arrangements. Could also be a products liability claim against the manufacturer/seller/lessor of the lift. ---
**Author:** ![OtakuLoki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ac8455/32.png) [@OtakuLoki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OtakuLoki)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brian-kelly-nd-football-coach-i-hope-your-nightmares-keep-you-up-at-night/558685/25 "2010-10-29T11:15:10Z")
OTOH, I’d far rather see official fines and punishments from the proper regulatory bodies have some teeth in them. The sort of punitive awards you’re talking about are both somewhat random, and set up on an _ad hoc_ basis. There is no systemic method to provide for consistent punishment. Further, OSHA fines can be imposed without a catastrophic incident to bring them down on the offending corporate entity. Which, if the fines were above what seems to be a figurative slap on the wrist, would have far more effect towards encouraging proper workplace safety. Also on point: jury awards can be hugely variable - a lawyer pointing out that the student worker should have refused to go up on the lift since he was convinced it was so unsafe may be able to sway a majority of the jury. Another consideration may be: Where does the money come from for damages, vice where does money come from for fines. I suspect that any damage award would be paid for out of the various insurance policies carried by ND or their contractor. While a fine comes from actual operating funds from the affected organization. This doesn’t mean that the organization that faces a punitive award from a civil trial is unscathed by the punitive award, just that the effect on its bottom line isn’t as direct as it might seem at first glance. In some ways, this seems reminiscent to me of the arguments that fines in the mining and petroleum industry are far too low - that the companies involved can make rational cost-benefit analysis based upon the fine levels that may be imposed, and decide that operating outside of the regulated safe or proper practices is _cheaper_ than paying to upgrade the worksite to the required standards. BTW, thanks to **Snowboarder Bo** for the look at the regulatory and safety background for this sort of work. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brian-kelly-nd-football-coach-i-hope-your-nightmares-keep-you-up-at-night/558685/26 "2010-10-29T14:01:28Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > No, not TOTAL. OSHA penalties ONLY. There would probably also be either a wrongful death claim or workmen’s comp claim against the hotel and/or employer, depending on the employment arrangements. > > Could also be a products liability claim against the manufacturer/seller/lessor of the lift. Except that what I was talking about was OSHA penalties. Nice try at taking what I said out of context, tho. Grats on that. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brian-kelly-nd-football-coach-i-hope-your-nightmares-keep-you-up-at-night/558685/27 "2010-10-29T14:39:06Z")
> [@sitchensis](#): > > Yeah just like every executive is trained in all of the equipment their employees use. Oh wait, you’re an idiot. > > I’m not saying there is no possibly way that BK is liable for the employee killed but come on. The school, the athletic department, and OSHA should provide indepth training for someone who is going to be in that position and the person trained in the use of the equipment should be the one and only person who makes the decision on whether it is safe to use. You’re right: higher-ups always make sure there’s someone under them who knows and follows the relevant standards, and never overrules the person below them that has the actual expertise. There’s that line about how there’s nobody so like a god as a general on a battlefield. That probably applies far better to a football coach on a practice field: who the fuck is going to stand up to him? ---
**Author:** ![Big\_Norse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/big_norse/32/9954_2.png) [@Big\_Norse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Big_Norse)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brian-kelly-nd-football-coach-i-hope-your-nightmares-keep-you-up-at-night/558685/28 "2010-10-29T15:34:46Z")
The athletic department is starting to cover their asses by saying it wasn’t really all that windy that day but a freak gust caught the lift:[ > [@](#): > > Notre Dame Athletic Director Jack Swarbrick said weather conditions at the Fighting Irish football practice Wednesday were ‘‘unremarkable’’ before ‘‘a pretty extraordinary burst of wind’’ preceded the toppling of a video tower killed junior Declan Sullivan. ]([http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/2845706,CST-NWS-notredame29.article](http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/2845706,CST-NWS-notredame29.article)) > [@](#): > > Swarbrick said he could not reconcile his assessment of the weather as “unremarkable” with Sullivan’s “terrified” tweets. > “I don’t have firsthand knowledge of what motivated his postings. None of us do. Mine was a five-minute perspective.” ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brian-kelly-nd-football-coach-i-hope-your-nightmares-keep-you-up-at-night/558685/29 "2010-10-29T16:34:53Z")
[Jason Whitlock](http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/notre-dame-must-fire-brian-kelly-over-student-death-102910) says Brian Kelly and the AD should be fired immediately. I agree. I know a head coach wears a lot of hats, but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect him to ensure that the men under his charge aren’t exposed to unnecessary risks. This kind of negligence isn’t acceptable, and the coach and the AD should have to answer for it. ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brian-kelly-nd-football-coach-i-hope-your-nightmares-keep-you-up-at-night/558685/30 "2010-10-29T17:01:28Z")
It was a horrible accident. I’m sure Brian Kelly does feel awful about it. He’s a human and a father, IIRC. It might have been a bone-headed decision to hold practice in 60 mph wind, but I doubt he ever dreamt that he was risking someone’s life. So I’m reluctant to denounce him straight to hell. Even though they did steal him from my alma mater, the Univ of Cincinnati. I don’t know much about college football, but I do know that Kelly has been under tremendous pressure to turn ND football around. And I’m sure that that pressure played a part in his decision to hold practice. So I think the ND alumni have a little soul-searching to do about how important a stupid football team is in the grand scheme of things. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brian-kelly-nd-football-coach-i-hope-your-nightmares-keep-you-up-at-night/558685/31 "2010-10-29T17:18:58Z")
> [@PunditLisa](#): > > It was a horrible accident. I’m sure Brian Kelly does feel awful about it. He’s a human and a father, IIRC. It might have been a bone-headed decision to hold practice in 60 mph wind, but I doubt he ever dreamt that he was risking someone’s life. So I’m reluctant to denounce him straight to hell. Even though they did steal him from my alma mater, the Univ of Cincinnati. > > I don’t know much about college football, but I do know that Kelly has been under tremendous pressure to turn ND football around. And I’m sure that that pressure played a part in his decision to hold practice. So I think the ND alumni have a little soul-searching to do about how important a stupid football team is in the grand scheme of things. Kelly had the option of moving practice inside the Loftus Center, which he’d done the day before, but according to the link in the OP, he hates doing that. Much as I despise the view of far too many well-heeled alumni that the fundamental purpose of their alma mater is to field winning football and basketball teams, I can’t see how to stick them with the blame for Kelly’s failure to take practice inside. Googling “brian kelly contract” shows that he had been getting well over $1,000,000 a year at Cincinnati, so the same was true at Notre Dame too, I’m sure. It wasn’t like he wasn’t in a position to say ‘no’ to the alumni if he felt that their demands were forcing him to take undue risks with the lives or health of his players and workers. He wasn’t going to starve if he got fired. I have to believe he was doing what he would have been doing anyway, pressure or no pressure. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brian-kelly-nd-football-coach-i-hope-your-nightmares-keep-you-up-at-night/558685/32 "2010-10-29T17:38:17Z")
Interesting [quote] ([http://www.news-herald.com/articles/2010/10/27/sports/nh3212679.txt](http://www.news-herald.com/articles/2010/10/27/sports/nh3212679.txt)) from Jim Tressel the day before this accident at Notre Dame: > [@](#): > > “I don’t know today if we’ll be inside or out,” Tressel said before practice. “It looks a little nasty. I worry about our cameramen, their well-being up there 50 feet in the air. So we’ll see how that goes.” ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brian-kelly-nd-football-coach-i-hope-your-nightmares-keep-you-up-at-night/558685/33 "2010-10-29T19:41:09Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Except that what I was talking about was OSHA penalties. Nice try at taking what I said out of context, tho. Grats on that. You said TOTAL. You were wrong. If you only meant OSHA penalties, you should not have used TOTAL. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brian-kelly-nd-football-coach-i-hope-your-nightmares-keep-you-up-at-night/558685/34 "2010-10-29T19:48:56Z")
> [@PunditLisa](#): > > So I think the ND alumni have a little soul-searching to do about how important a stupid football team is in the grand scheme of things. As one of those alumni, I’m going to take offense at this. I haven’t seen ANYTHING short recognizing what a horrible tragedy this is from any of my fellow alumni. Your comment is disgusting. ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brian-kelly-nd-football-coach-i-hope-your-nightmares-keep-you-up-at-night/558685/35 "2010-10-29T20:48:14Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > As one of those alumni, I’m going to take offense at this. I haven’t seen ANYTHING short recognizing what a horrible tragedy this is from any of my fellow alumni. Your comment is disgusting. I said that the pressure that the alumni association puts on its coaches to perform may have led Kelly to work his team harder than he might have had he still been working someplace else. I stand by my comment. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brian-kelly-nd-football-coach-i-hope-your-nightmares-keep-you-up-at-night/558685/36 "2010-10-29T21:03:23Z")
> [@PunditLisa](#): > > I said that the pressure that the alumni association puts on its coaches to perform may have led Kelly to work his team harder than he might have had he still been working someplace else. I stand by my comment. This statement has little resemblance to what I quoted earlier (and with the amount of qualifiers you put in it, is relatively meaningless). Care to retract the implication that individual alumni have any direct responsibility for a student dying merely because they like to watch a football team win games? Because that’s how I read what I originally quoted, and it remains deplorable. ---
**Author:** ![Indyellen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/indyellen/32/4176_2.png) [@Indyellen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Indyellen)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brian-kelly-nd-football-coach-i-hope-your-nightmares-keep-you-up-at-night/558685/37 "2010-10-29T21:18:51Z")
> [@Big\_Norse](#): > > The athletic department is starting to cover their asses by saying it wasn’t really all that windy that day but a freak gust caught the lift:[ Then someone up there is smoking crack. There were straight-line winds gusting to over 81 MPH (Story [URL=“[http://www.theindychannel.com/weather/25533563/detail.html](http://www.theindychannel.com/weather/25533563/detail.html)”]here]([http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/2845706,CST-NWS-notredame29.article](http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/2845706,CST-NWS-notredame29.article))) that day. I live in Indiana, and my husband was driving back from a business trip to Chicago. He wasn’t terribly comfortable driving because of the wind, and not much scares him on the road. There is NO way that kid should have been up there, and I hope they figure out soon whose ass is on the line. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brian-kelly-nd-football-coach-i-hope-your-nightmares-keep-you-up-at-night/558685/38 "2010-10-29T22:26:14Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > This statement has little resemblance to what I quoted earlier (and with the amount of qualifiers you put in it, is relatively meaningless). Care to retract the implication that individual alumni have any direct responsibility for a student dying merely because they like to watch a football team win games? Because that’s how I read what I originally quoted, and it remains deplorable. No, I don’t care to retract anything because I didn’t imply anything about individual alumni having direct responsibility for a student dying. As an association, however, the UND alumni wields way more power over the football program than the average student alumni association, a point which I daresay you’ll agree with. And do you deny that with the money and prestige of coaching a “legacy” program comes intense pressure to bring a winning team onto the field? Not immediately, but shortly after immediately. Parallel: White Star Director reportedly put pressure on the Titanic’s captain to break the record for crossing the Atlantic. Ultimately, the captain had the responsibility for keeping his ship safe, and it was his failure to slow down that was mainly to blame for the accident. However, it’s perfectly fair to theorize that the pressure from White Star might well have _contributed_ to his risky decision-making. BTW, when a group of us were lamenting the incident over lunch, an engineer piped in with this: “Well, now they have a good reason to get rid of Kelly, in case losing to Navy wasn’t reason enough.” Yeah. Like it or not, you’ve got a reputation for being cut throat there in North Bend. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brian-kelly-nd-football-coach-i-hope-your-nightmares-keep-you-up-at-night/558685/39 "2010-10-29T22:54:43Z")
I absolutely agree that there is more pressure on a head coach from the alumni at Notre Dame than most places. But frankly, I think it’s unfair to levy that on the alumni as a body. There’s a number of huge assumptions being made: 1. We have no idea (right now) who was responsible for this student being up there. It very well could have been Kelly - it also could have been a totally different division in the Athletic Department or a different department at the university altogether. I know for a fact that this kid worked for a video department that worked for a number of different departments throughout the school - the Alumni Association sent out a facebook post yesterday saying that the kid had done work for them before. That could have been work directly from the football office, the athletic offce, or some other office - we don’t know (yet). 2. If it was Kelly responsible (and frankly, I have a hard time seeing why that would be the case), we don’t know if he would have done the exact same thing at Cincinnati, Central Michigan or anywhere else he’s coached. 3. The alumni got over demanding at least a 10-2 season every year about a decade ago. There remains a lot of pressure, but the audible outcry from the alumni when I was in school there in the 90s was omnipresent. That is simply not the case any more. 4. I, personally, know very fucking well where in “the grand scheme of things” a student’s life is over a couple football wins. My enthusiasm for the football program doesn’t have a goddamn thing to do with that accident, and your bullshit attempt to connect the two remains contemptuous. Do you think Ohio State, USC, Alabama or Michigan fans are going to think, “Gosh - we sure do put a lot of pressure on our coach - we better dial it down a notch in case a kid gets killed” because of this? If not, why not? They are every bit as involved and demanding of excellence from their football program as the Irish are. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brian-kelly-nd-football-coach-i-hope-your-nightmares-keep-you-up-at-night/558685/40 "2010-10-29T23:12:02Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > You said TOTAL. You were wrong. If you only meant OSHA penalties, you should not have used TOTAL. Hey, jackass. Did you actually read my post? Did you see this: > [@](#): > > Nevada OSHA settled a related case with the hotel itself in late 2009. MGM Grand and Rhino Las Vegas paid a total of $23,800 in OSHA penalties. That’s the part that’s right above the quote from me. You know, the one you took out of context. Twice now. Fucking asshole. And a lying asshole, at that. Twat. I was not wrong; you are. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brian-kelly-nd-football-coach-i-hope-your-nightmares-keep-you-up-at-night/558685.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brian-kelly-nd-football-coach-i-hope-your-nightmares-keep-you-up-at-night/558685.md?page=3)