# Bricker: any documentation at all = "intense documentation" so don't ask me for any **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 22, 2013, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-any-documentation-at-all-intense-documentation-so-dont-ask-me-for-any/653688 "2013-03-22T22:09:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2013, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-any-documentation-at-all-intense-documentation-so-dont-ask-me-for-any/653688/81 "2013-03-25T17:55:22Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > How long does it take you to ask the question? > > Vs. > > How long does it take me to find enough examples that meet your criteria, whatever they might be? > > It’s not a genuine request – it’s a tactic to derail. It’s inexpensive for you to ask and expensive for me to answer. It’s dilatory. How long does it take you to find a cite for a supposedly common occurance to support a statement of fact that _you_ made? Shorter than the time it takes to make your last two posts, if it were true? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2013, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-any-documentation-at-all-intense-documentation-so-dont-ask-me-for-any/653688/82 "2013-03-25T17:57:02Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > How long does it take you to ask the question? > > Vs. > > How long does it take me to find enough examples that meet your criteria, whatever they might be? > > It’s not a genuine request – it’s a tactic to derail. It’s inexpensive for you to ask and expensive for me to answer. It’s dilatory. I agree that it was a tactic to derail. You moved the discussion from your inept refusal to cite a specific claim that Democrats have made statements to the effect that they would never work towards any gun control ever again in the future… to a discussion about whether Dopers ever make broad statements about conservatives. I make broad statements about conservatives here all of the time. Congratulations. Now, quit being a whiny bitch and acknowledge that you’re full of shit in regards to the primary point of this thread and of your GD stupidity. Really, you’ve become such a joke that if I had ever respected you I might feel bad about it. I never really did, so I don’t, but still… ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2013, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-any-documentation-at-all-intense-documentation-so-dont-ask-me-for-any/653688/83 "2013-03-25T17:57:44Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > It’s not a genuine request – it’s a tactic to derail. It’s inexpensive for you to ask and expensive for me to answer. It’s dilatory. This, coming from this source, is hilarious. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2013, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-any-documentation-at-all-intense-documentation-so-dont-ask-me-for-any/653688/84 "2013-03-25T17:59:16Z")
And “They do it _toooo!_” wasn’t an attempt to derail the conversation? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2013, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-any-documentation-at-all-intense-documentation-so-dont-ask-me-for-any/653688/85 "2013-03-25T18:17:16Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > How long does it take you to find a cite for a supposedly common occurance to support a statement of fact that _you_ made? Shorter than the time it takes to make your last two posts, if it were true? Longer. But here: > [@Let the sequester cuts take place, and if I perish, I perish.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/let-the-sequester-cuts-take-place-and-if-i-perish-i-perish/651632/18): > > Congressional Republicans are saying it’s Obama’s fault because his administration proposed the sequestration that they agreed to. Yes, I’m serious, and no, nobody outside of Republican circles is buying this. Some Congressional Republicans said something. I’m not aware of any official statement, party platform, or letter that officially advanced this notion. But substantiating the degree and effect of what “Congressional Republicans” said is never required; the statement passes unchallenged. > [@Why aren't Progressives questioning the legality & morality of Obama's drone targeting policy?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-progressives-questioning-the-legality-morality-of-obamas-drone-targeting-policy/652659/11): > > False equivalence is a key tool used by Republicans to turn off a good deal of the public. It is? How? What are the cites? No one demands them; everyone accepts the statement. > [@Why aren't Progressives questioning the legality & morality of Obama's drone targeting policy?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-arent-progressives-questioning-the-legality-morality-of-obamas-drone-targeting-policy/652659/39): > > Until the Republicans regain some sanity and stop being pandering assholes, I am going to give Obama a pass on many of his activities… The Republicans are all pandering assholes, bereft of sanity. CIte? None given; none asked for. > [@Is Fox News really all that bad?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-fox-news-really-all-that-bad/636625/156): > > There should be an investigation into what happened in Benghazi. But Fox News is not trying to figure out what happened. They are trying to pin it all on Obama and anyone close to him (David Petraeus, Hilary Clinton and now Rice… Who next, the White House janitor who has a cousin who once visited Benghazi?) rather than push for a simple investigation. > > And once again, Republicans are letting Fox News lead them by the nose. They never learn, do they… Which Republicans are letting Fox News lead them? How do you know? We don’t ask those kinds of questions; everyone knows it. This post took perhaps ten minutes to put together. It was an utterly unnecessary ten minutes: you know, from daily reading of this site, how common such statements are. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2013, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-any-documentation-at-all-intense-documentation-so-dont-ask-me-for-any/653688/86 "2013-03-25T18:33:29Z")
It is impossible, of course, to avoid observing that you were willing to take 10 minutes to put together an “utterly unnecessary” post to provide cites for this tangential discussion you endeavored to generate, while you remain resistant to taking one minute to pull together cites for your assertions in GD and by extension in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2013, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-any-documentation-at-all-intense-documentation-so-dont-ask-me-for-any/653688/87 "2013-03-25T18:34:47Z")
1st link: Although the claim was backed up by a cite from a following poster, it was challenged in that same thread. 2nd link: I’ll give you that one. 3rd link: No go-what you claim isn’t what he said. 4th link: Nope. He actually provided a link in that very same post, there were other links in that thread, and several posters challenged it. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2013, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-any-documentation-at-all-intense-documentation-so-dont-ask-me-for-any/653688/88 "2013-03-25T18:36:01Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > It is impossible, of course, to avoid observing that you were willing to take 10 minutes to put together an “utterly unnecessary” post to provide cites for this tangential discussion you endeavored to generate, while you remain resistant to taking one minute to pull together cites for your assertions in GD and by extension in this thread. It would take much longer than one minute, or even ten. What search terms could yield posts that advance the general meme while also eliminating posts that are more general discussions of gun policy and Democrats? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2013, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-any-documentation-at-all-intense-documentation-so-dont-ask-me-for-any/653688/89 "2013-03-25T18:37:49Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > …Some Congressional Republicans said something. I’m not aware of any official statement, party platform, or letter that officially advanced this notion. But substantiating the degree and effect of what “Congressional Republicans” said is never required; the statement passes unchallenged… Google “Obamaquester”. [http://www.politico.com/politico44/2013/02/boehners-office-dubs-it-obamaquester-156511.html](http://www.politico.com/politico44/2013/02/boehners-office-dubs-it-obamaquester-156511.html) **Boehner’s office dubs it ‘obamaquester’** Of course, this is merely the Speaker of the House, so your daunting standard of “official statement, party platform, or letter that officially advanced this notion” may not be met. Precisely why this standard is applicable eludes me, since you blithely proceed to cite a bunch of goons on a message board to bolster your case, but insist on very strict standards for a rebuttal. (Your correspondent wishes to emphasize that the descriptive “bunch of goons” is meant in a sense of flippancy, and in no way derides, abrades or otherwise sneers upon the specific Dopers cited. Except for **Marley** , of course, who is widely acknowledged for public goonitude.) ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2013, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-any-documentation-at-all-intense-documentation-so-dont-ask-me-for-any/653688/90 "2013-03-25T18:38:24Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > 1st link: Although the claim was backed up by a cite from a following poster, it was challenged in that same thread. > 2nd link: I’ll give you that one. > 3rd link: No go-what you claim isn’t what he said. > 4th link: Nope. He actually provided a link in that very same post, there were other links in that thread, and several posters challenged it. Without taking the time to fight about the ones you dismiss, you’ve now seen at least one example you concede illustrates the concept. With that example to refresh your recollection, do you still demand more or do you now realize that many posts on the SDMB have that same flavor? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2013, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-any-documentation-at-all-intense-documentation-so-dont-ask-me-for-any/653688/91 "2013-03-25T18:40:21Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Google “Obamaquester”. > > [http://www.politico.com/politico44/2013/02/boehners-office-dubs-it-obamaquester-156511.html](http://www.politico.com/politico44/2013/02/boehners-office-dubs-it-obamaquester-156511.html) > > **Boehner’s office dubs it ‘obamaquester’** > > Of course, this is merely the Speaker of the House, so your daunting standard of “official statement, party platform, or letter that officially advanced this notion” may not be met. Precisely why this standard is applicable eludes me, since you blithely proceed to cite a bunch of goons on a message board to bolster your case, but insist on very strict standards for a rebuttal. > > (Your correspondent wishes to emphasize that the descriptive “bunch of goons” is meant in a sense of flippancy, and in no way derides, abrades or otherwise sneers upon the specific Dopers cited. Except for **Marley** , of course, who is widely acknowledged for public goonitude.) This is such a waste of time. I don’t insist on it – to the contrary, i agree that it’s fair to say Congressional Republicans said as much. That’s my point: I agree with the statement, because it’s obvious, though hard to cite with the same kind of detail that’s being demanded of me. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2013, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-any-documentation-at-all-intense-documentation-so-dont-ask-me-for-any/653688/92 "2013-03-25T18:41:51Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Without taking the time to fight about the ones you dismiss, you’ve now seen at least one example you concede illustrates the concept. With that example to refresh your recollection, do you still demand more or do you now realize that many posts on the SDMB have that same flavor? Let’s leave those goalposts right where they are for now, o.k.? I wasn’t questioning that many posts had that tone-I was questioning your unsupported statement that many posts of that nature go unchallenged. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2013, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-any-documentation-at-all-intense-documentation-so-dont-ask-me-for-any/653688/93 "2013-03-25T18:42:35Z")
“Ten minutes”, he says. But note that he can’t quite find the time for even a single cite for “Don’t worry about voting for Democrats; they won’t try to enact gun control measures because that issue is dead.” This merely proves it is possible to be both dishonest \*and \*butthurt. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2013, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-any-documentation-at-all-intense-documentation-so-dont-ask-me-for-any/653688/94 "2013-03-25T18:46:25Z")
> [@](#): > > …That’s my point: I agree with the statement, because it’s obvious, though hard to cite with the same kind of detail that’s being demanded of me. I see. So of it is “obvious”, no such proof is necessary, indeed, it is a dilatory tactic designed to fritter away your valuable time and annoy the hamsters. Which means it boils down to who decides when and where something is “obvious”. And you offer yourself as the reliable arbiter of the “obvious”, and are annoyed that we don’t see that your perfect objectivity and utter lack of partisan bias qualifies you for that position. ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2013, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-any-documentation-at-all-intense-documentation-so-dont-ask-me-for-any/653688/95 "2013-03-25T19:06:28Z")
Arbiter of the Obvious? Didn’t the Fantastic Four meet him? Or was that Dr. Strange? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2013, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-any-documentation-at-all-intense-documentation-so-dont-ask-me-for-any/653688/96 "2013-03-25T19:09:01Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Let’s leave those goalposts right where they are for now, o.k.? I wasn’t questioning that many posts had that tone-I was questioning your unsupported statement that many posts of that nature go unchallenged. Ahh. Well, unfortunately, that takes even more time to verify, since now it’s not just a matter of finding the post, but reading the entire thread. And why? You know that the boards lean left. You know that a challenge to such a statement is unlikely from a left-leaning poster, and there are comparatively few right-leaning posters. Why do you suspect that many such statements go unchalleged? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2013, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-any-documentation-at-all-intense-documentation-so-dont-ask-me-for-any/653688/97 "2013-03-25T19:16:00Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Ahh. > > Well, unfortunately, that takes even more time to verify, since now it’s not just a matter of finding the post, but reading the entire thread. > > And why? You know that the boards lean left. You know that a challenge to such a statement is unlikely from a left-leaning poster, and there are comparatively few right-leaning posters. Why do you suspect that many such statements go unchalleged? I suspect that many _don’t_ go unchallenged because this board’s minority party is rather vocal when it comes to policital issues. It would be like claiming that statements supporting gun laws go unchallenged many times. edited to add: If you didn’t read the whole thread to see if the statements were unchallenged, why did you post them as examples of just that occurance?? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2013, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-any-documentation-at-all-intense-documentation-so-dont-ask-me-for-any/653688/98 "2013-03-25T19:16:10Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > And it’s especially infuriating because I KNOW you know what I’m saying is true. **RTFirefly** concedes as much. You are a liar. We have been over this ground repeatedly, so we can rule out ignorance or confusion, and are left with deliberate duplicity. I have conceded that _one part_ of what you’re saying is true, and you know that I (along with others) have repeatedly badgered you, you snake, to demonstrate the truth of the rest. But you slither away each time. So claiming that I concede the truth of what you’re saying goes beyond bullshit and into outright dishonesty. Liar. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2013, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-any-documentation-at-all-intense-documentation-so-dont-ask-me-for-any/653688/99 "2013-03-25T19:24:48Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > He had a better cite but there wasn’t room in the margin to present it. Yeah, and he couldn’t figure out how to fermat, er, _format_ it anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2013, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-any-documentation-at-all-intense-documentation-so-dont-ask-me-for-any/653688/100 "2013-03-25T19:39:09Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Let me guess: that’s different, because Republicans DO have a hive mind? They don’t fall into camps; they are one monolithic evil entity? I can’t say that is true about Republican voters, but it is indisputably true about Republicans in the House and Senate. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-any-documentation-at-all-intense-documentation-so-dont-ask-me-for-any/653688.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-any-documentation-at-all-intense-documentation-so-dont-ask-me-for-any/653688.md?page=6)