# Bricker fooled me for too long **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 12, 2012, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-fooled-me-for-too-long/640835 "2012-11-12T22:46:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-fooled-me-for-too-long/640835/61 "2012-11-13T04:21:39Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > :dubious: So let’s see. Liberal posters found both dubious stories to be dubious, which is exactly what intellectual rigor is for: it lets you spot an implausible tale irrespective of whether or not it happens to flatter your biases. > > But you, **Bricker** , need some sort of non-equivalence to complain about as unfair. So you’re bitching that the liberal posters were _calmly_ skeptical about one of the two stories and _vituperatively_ skeptical about the other. > > This is not as impressive an indictment as you seem to believe. Why not? It’s really no big deal to treat someone gently, and someone else like shit, as long as the guy chosen for the shit treatment is conservative? That seems like it might matter. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-fooled-me-for-too-long/640835/62 "2012-11-13T04:24:21Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > All I was doing was showing the difference in reaction of other posters to the OP of a thread that turned out to be linking to a bullshit news article. Where the article is anti-Obama, the posters turn on the OP like hyena circling a limping zebra. Where the article is anti-Romney, there’s so much meh that one could stock a discount meh emporium for years. So in a Pit thread about **Bricker** , you didn’t mean to make any comment about **Bricker** , but rather just wanted to make a general observation about this message board being ever so mean to non-liberals. Gotcha. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-fooled-me-for-too-long/640835/63 "2012-11-13T04:26:27Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Do you in fact punish one daughter and ignore the same behavior from another daughter? This is an example of why I consider you officious, hyper-legalistic, and absurdly pedantic, and why I really dislike your style of debate. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-fooled-me-for-too-long/640835/64 "2012-11-13T04:27:11Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > So in a Pit thread about **Bricker** , you didn’t mean to make any comment about **Bricker** , but rather just wanted to make a general observation about this message board being ever so mean to non-liberals. Gotcha. You wipe asses for a living, don’t you? Or maybe you make sandwiches–I’d believe making sandwiches. No way anyone pays you to do anything more complicated than one of those two things. ETA: If you wipe asses then make sandwiches, please wash your hands in between you dirty bastard. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-fooled-me-for-too-long/640835/65 "2012-11-13T04:28:16Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > You wipe asses for a living, don’t you? Or maybe you make sandwiches–I’d believe making sandwiches. No way anyone pays you to do anything more complicated than one of those two things. Says the snow-mobile salesperson. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-fooled-me-for-too-long/640835/66 "2012-11-13T04:31:36Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Says the snow-mobile salesperson. Thank you for calling to confirm my dentist appointment. I’ll be there. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-fooled-me-for-too-long/640835/67 "2012-11-13T04:33:16Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > You wipe asses for a living, don’t you? Or maybe you make sandwiches–I’d believe making sandwiches. No way anyone pays you to do anything more complicated than one of those two things. > > ETA: If you wipe asses then make sandwiches, please wash your hands in between you dirty bastard. Really? God,\*\* Hamlet\*\*, I am so sorry! I thought you were a lawyer, I had no idea you were respectably employed! Forgive. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-fooled-me-for-too-long/640835/68 "2012-11-13T04:34:48Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Thank you for calling to confirm my dentist appointment. I’ll be there. Be sure to wear clean underwear. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-fooled-me-for-too-long/640835/69 "2012-11-13T04:37:08Z")
To restate: BG posts false information about a known racist saying some racist stuff. He doesn’t demand it is true when we find out it isn’t, and doesn’t demonize conservatives in general. Bricker posts false information about union first responders harassing non-union first responders while people are dying, and takes a pot-shot at unions in general and holds onto his nonsense after we realize the story is false. Bricker says it is the same thing. Rand Rover runs to Bricker’s defense, since RR idolizes him so. ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-fooled-me-for-too-long/640835/70 "2012-11-13T04:40:59Z")
My only regret so far is that, in the spirit of all the parody threads in the pit right now, I didn’t title this, “Look for the Bricker label” ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-fooled-me-for-too-long/640835/71 "2012-11-13T04:53:56Z")
Well, now, Lobo, we can all respect and admire the hard working line men, and so forth struggling to get the lights back on, but I think “first responders” refers to a rather small set of people. :Police, firemen, EMT’s, like that there. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-fooled-me-for-too-long/640835/72 "2012-11-13T04:57:50Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Well, now, Lobo, we can all respect and admire the hard working line men, and so forth struggling to get the lights back on, but I think “first responders” refers to a rather small set of people. :Police, firemen, EMT’s, like that there. True, weren’t there EMTs and Fire Rescue that came with them? If not, my mistake. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-fooled-me-for-too-long/640835/73 "2012-11-13T05:05:30Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Please. In the thread Bricker started, people piled on his ass with the haughty “how dare you!” stuff. In the thread I linked to, there were some murmurings of it maybe not being true, and when it was posted that it definitely wasn’t true, no one posted a single thing of the nature that everyone posted against Bricker. Absolutely night and day difference. If you can’t see it, then that’s something you may want to think about. You claimed that in the thread you linked to that > [@](#): > > …the fair and balanced denizens of the SDMB said exactly nothing. Well no, they did say something. Starting with the _very first reply_ were variations of “I don’t think this could have happened” to “this didn’t happen”. Now you seem to be trying to claim that the responses weren’t sufficiently venomous. I said before, and maintain, that the reaction in that thread was a far cry from “exactly nothing”. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-fooled-me-for-too-long/640835/74 "2012-11-13T05:25:33Z")
I like Bricker’s posts. I disagree with most of them. But what he is all about in my opinion is sharpening he arguing skills and poking the opposition. And I count myself as opposition. I’m down with the rhetoric honing 100 percent. Skill at argumentation is important to me. Sometimes he just likes to annoy the opposition, and that is weaker sauce, but it also is about arguing. Those are reasons I like to post too. Although making a bad joke is also way high on my priority list. Bricker and John Mace are my favorite conservative posters. Sometimes they drive me nuts, but looking at how they are arguing is instructive enough to make it worthwhile. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-fooled-me-for-too-long/640835/75 "2012-11-13T05:33:49Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Any claim the lefties have to being on the side of truth are absolutely shattered. They are all just “my guy is good, your guy is bad” political hacks. You appear to view those two propositions as being mutually exclusive. Why is that, I wonder? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-fooled-me-for-too-long/640835/76 "2012-11-13T06:31:49Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > … Bricker and John Mace are my favorite conservative posters… Well, you’ve done it now… ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 10:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-fooled-me-for-too-long/640835/77 "2012-11-13T10:00:30Z")
> [@drewtwo99](#): > > …So, I just want to apologize for ever standing up for Bricker, and I want to congratulate every single one of you who have recognized Bricker for the partisan hack that he has always been. > > Sorry it took me so long to see it. You say “partisan hack” like it’s a _bad_ thing. Where would the world, and politics in particular, be if hacks didn’t endorse the bullshit that their leaders spout? There would be no Great Pyramid, I can tell you that! Nor even any of those lesser pyramids. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 10:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-fooled-me-for-too-long/640835/78 "2012-11-13T10:44:05Z")
Honestly, Bricker, I don’t even consider you a conservative anymore. The only true conservative thing you seem to hold onto is the anti-union thing (which is why your opinion on that is so frustrating, as, even as a conservative, I supported unions.) You’re not quite liberal, but you are a moderate. The only thing holding you to being conservative is that you identify so strongly with your “team,” the Republicans, that you still feel the need to snipe at liberals. That’s was the purpose of your thread, obvious by your insistence even after you were clearly wrong, and that’s why you got treated differently. I get blasted the same way when I snipe at people, and I am not conservative. I also do not see how anyone thinks **Rand Rover** is reasonable. **John Mace**? Sure. But **RR**? His basic schtick is talking about how liberalism is morally wrong while claiming that believing in morality is childish and incorrect. The only thing reasonable about **RR** is that he sometimes agrees with us liberals about certain things. But all libertarians do, as that’s what makes them libertarian. They’re financially conservative, socially liberal, small government isolationists. And, no, I don’t know what I was smoking when I previously said **adaher** was the replacement for **Bricker**. **John Mace** makes a lot more sense. Too bad there’s no other prize for that other than being respected. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-fooled-me-for-too-long/640835/79 "2012-11-13T11:22:25Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Do you in fact punish one daughter and ignore the same behavior from another daughter? If I had two daughters, I imagine they would stop whining about people treating them unfairly well before they reached adulthood. Else they might look like pathetic, bitchy, spineless tools. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-fooled-me-for-too-long/640835/80 "2012-11-13T11:52:43Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > **Bricker** fooled me long time. He sucky sucky. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-fooled-me-for-too-long/640835.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-fooled-me-for-too-long/640835.md?page=5)