# Bricker fooled me for too long **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 12, 2012, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-fooled-me-for-too-long/640835 "2012-11-12T22:46:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-fooled-me-for-too-long/640835/121 "2012-11-13T17:19:20Z")
So, where else do you guys go, anyway? You guys that are rolling around on the floor, pissing and moaning about how liberal the SDMB is, you must have some alternative, right? Some place where your ideas get a fair hearing and, as a result of that fair hearing, are universally adopted as sensible and intelligent. Because that’s all it would take, right? If you got a fair hearing instead of being shouted down by moonbats, you would win the greater majority of your debates. Or so you seem to imply. And yet, here you are? Were you fooled, conned, seduced by promises of sweet, sweet non-partisan fairness? And then we trapped you? Was it a bear trap, covered over with leaves? How, perzackly, did we trick you? And how come it took you so long to catch on? Wasn’t me, I haven’t changed my views much at all in about forty years. Sure never claimed to be non-partisan. My views used to be pretty radical, now, they’re just lefty. Is that it, maybe? The world changed and you didn’t? Are you one of the last dinosaurs, looking in confusion as that first snowflake drifted down, thinking, “What the fuck is that?”. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-fooled-me-for-too-long/640835/122 "2012-11-13T17:27:13Z")
Well, this isn’t a political message board, per se. [Relevant thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=670564), though. ---
**Author:** ![Acid\_Lamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Acid\_Lamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acid_Lamp)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-fooled-me-for-too-long/640835/123 "2012-11-13T17:27:49Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Keep missing the point, see if I care. The SDMB liberals are ignorant about themselves and I’m fighting that ignorance (with very little success) . Broad brush much? ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-fooled-me-for-too-long/640835/124 "2012-11-13T17:34:55Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > So, where else do you guys go, anyway? You guys that are rolling around on the floor, pissing and moaning about how liberal the SDMB is, you must have some alternative, right? Some place where your ideas get a fair hearing and, as a result of that fair hearing, are universally adopted as sensible and intelligent. > > Because that’s all it would take, right? If you got a fair hearing instead of being shouted down by moonbats, you would win the greater majority of your debates. Or so you seem to imply. > > And yet, here you are? Were you fooled, conned, seduced by promises of sweet, sweet non-partisan fairness? And then we trapped you? Was it a bear trap, covered over with leaves? How, perzackly, did we trick you? And how come it took you so long to catch on? > > Wasn’t me, I haven’t changed my views much at all in about forty years. Sure never claimed to be non-partisan. My views used to be pretty radical, now, they’re just lefty. Is that it, maybe? The world changed and you didn’t? > > Are you one of the last dinosaurs, looking in confusion as that first snowflake drifted down, thinking, “What the fuck is that?”. I like fighting ignorance. Here at the SDMB, ive found an apparently inexhaustible supply. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-fooled-me-for-too-long/640835/125 "2012-11-13T17:37:31Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > I like fighting ignorance. Here at the SDMB, ive found an apparently inexhaustible supply. I can’t recall, do you accept Climate Change? ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-fooled-me-for-too-long/640835/126 "2012-11-13T17:45:47Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I can’t recall, do you accept Climate Change? Ive posted my views on that. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-fooled-me-for-too-long/640835/127 "2012-11-13T17:46:56Z")
Does that mean you’ve forgotten? ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-fooled-me-for-too-long/640835/128 "2012-11-13T17:54:43Z")
It means Lobo can search if he cares to bask in my brilliance on the subject. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-fooled-me-for-too-long/640835/129 "2012-11-13T17:56:25Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > I like fighting ignorance. From Randster’s New American Dictionary of the English Language: fight _verb_. \fit\ 1. to spread or sow 2. to wallow or luxuriate in 3. to demonstrate one’s total facility with ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-fooled-me-for-too-long/640835/130 "2012-11-13T18:05:00Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Does that mean you’ve forgotten? No, that it would be \*pro bono \*work to tell you. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-fooled-me-for-too-long/640835/131 "2012-11-13T18:06:19Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > No, that’s not possible; I could spend eight hours per day trying to create equity precisely because there’s a boatload of outspoken liberals and very few conservatives. > > And, indeed, why isn’t this plea for a more reasoned approach also considered an attempt to create equity? Because it doesn’t come across as a plea for a more reasoned approach: it comes across as a quixotic attempt to get liberals to say, “Oh, no, what a load of hypocrites we are!” If instead you show us what you consider that reasoned discourse to look like, by engaging in it yourself, then an attached request that others engage in similar discourse is going to be more acceptable. Equity in this case doesn’t mean, of course, that there are an equal number of posters on each side. You’re asking for folks to treat news from the left and the right equally. Let’s see you start by doing so yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-fooled-me-for-too-long/640835/132 "2012-11-13T18:18:18Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > And yet, here you are? Yes. Because I believe in the value of testing my ideas against vigorous opposition. I think public sector unions are a bad influence. But if I share that opinion amongst those who agree with me, it meets with approval, not examination. Here, I seek – and welcome – vigorous debate. I’m happy to lose; happy to win. I don’t like being personally vilified, though. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-fooled-me-for-too-long/640835/133 "2012-11-13T18:21:40Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I don’t like being personally vilified, though. And that’s where we differ. I love hearing idiots call me an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-fooled-me-for-too-long/640835/134 "2012-11-13T18:26:41Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > You keep missing the point --it’s not about Bricker, it’s about the majority of SDMB posters. They see themselves as fair and impartial adjudicators of truth, but their behavior shows them simply to be partisan hacks. When this is pointed out, they don’t even respond directly, they justly repeatedly fail to see the point and think the conservatives are just whining. Surely there are _some_ “liberal” (however one chooses to define the term) posters on this board who can challenge you. I fail to see why you deserve special treatment for insistently taking on the Sisyphean task of trying to “educate” all the others for whom you have obvious contempt. Feel free to complain at length about how much it hurts to slam your hand in a car door, too, and how in a fair world car doors wouldn’t hurt so much, but gosh-darnit, you’re just gonna keep slamming your hand in that car door until hell freezes over. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-fooled-me-for-too-long/640835/135 "2012-11-13T18:31:17Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > I haven’t changed my views much at all in about forty years. :):p:D ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-fooled-me-for-too-long/640835/136 "2012-11-13T18:39:14Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > And that’s where we differ. I love hearing idiots call me an idiot. If three people tell you you’re drunk, lay down. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-fooled-me-for-too-long/640835/137 "2012-11-13T18:41:15Z")
Rand Rover said “The liberals here crow over and over about how they are unbiased seekers of truth in this godforsaken world”. No we don’t. There is no Liberal Mission Statement or Charter of SDMB Liberals which has as part of its defining core statement of values that we are unbiased seekers of truth who act at all times with perfect objectivity. We’re here on the SDMB because we want to be and its fun. Therefore we post where we want to in the manner we want to. So if someone posts a thread that is critical of the left, of course we’ll react differently than if someone posts a thread that is critical of the right. Because we’re human beings here for fun, not (say) professional debate moderators or anything. Anyone who claims that the SDMB left, as a whole, will react with precise objectively equality to left-favorable vs right-favorable threads is insane and wrong. Thus your repeated attempts to demonstrate something that everyone already knows to be true is pointless and stupid. Which isn’t to say that I’ll look at any reaction the SDMB ever has to anything and just laugh it off… but particularly when the threads are just “hey, here’s something goofy to chat about” as opposed to “let’s soberly debate the truth of this proposition”, then nonequal responses prove exactly nothing that wasn’t already patently obvious. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-fooled-me-for-too-long/640835/138 "2012-11-13T18:41:47Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Funniest SDMB post of the week. As always, I’m just swimming in **monstro’s** wake. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-fooled-me-for-too-long/640835/139 "2012-11-13T19:38:04Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > Rand Rover said “The liberals here crow over and over about how they are unbiased seekers of truth in this godforsaken world”. No we don’t. Indeed–and Bricker, take it as instructive that neither I nor you responded to this ridiculous claim of Rand Rover’s. Rather than compare and contrast some nebulous Liberal Establishment’s response to every thread, compare and contrast your own response to this claim and to other claims made that parrot ridiculous stereotypes of conservatives. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-fooled-me-for-too-long/640835/140 "2012-11-13T19:42:32Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Any claim the lefties have to being on the side of truth are absolutely shattered. They are all just “my guy is good, your guy is bad” political hacks. > [@kaylasdad99](#): > > You appear to view those two propositions as being mutually exclusive. > > Why is that, I wonder? ETA:: To say nothing of the fact that you appear to consider supporters of the Democratic Party to be “lefties” (implying “leftist”). I wonder about why you do that, too. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-fooled-me-for-too-long/640835.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-fooled-me-for-too-long/640835.md?page=8)