# Bricker is a Pile of Shit Sculpted into Human Shape **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 30, 2017, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-a-pile-of-shit-sculpted-into-human-shape/783344 "2017-03-30T13:46:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-a-pile-of-shit-sculpted-into-human-shape/783344/481 "2018-10-16T15:40:35Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > There is nothing honest about the ugly statement that one’s skin color or ethnicity determines one’s ideology. You only find it refreshing because the target of the slander belongs to a group you dislike. I don’t think you’re in a position to understand what Huey’s rage is all about. Don’t compare your ‘plight’ and your perceived racism in the reverse with that of people of color in America. The fact is that America was established by racists on the platform of an economic system that depended on racism and classicism to function in the first half of our country’s history. What’s worse is that America has had opportunities to reconcile its evils, but ultimately never really done so in a way that can be considered constructive. So in the 1960s we finally became enlightened enough to stop barring immigrants of color entry into this country and allowed natural born persons of color to have more equal standing under the law. Great. But as we’ve seen, unless we fundamentally do change more than just laws, unless we decide to address things such as economic and social inequality, then we’ve never really made that much progress. Electing a black man - well, half black - doesn’t really change the equation either. What really needs changing is America’s fundamental value system, which is flawed and continues to promote inequality of all stripes even today. Maybe the system doesn’t explicitly encourage racism, but by not pursuing socioeconomic parity, we’re consciously choosing to engender a perverse form of competition between individuals and groups. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-a-pile-of-shit-sculpted-into-human-shape/783344/482 "2018-10-16T15:49:40Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > White culture or whatever “whiteness” is is powerful. That doesn’t mean that the concept that there is one way a person should think because of inclusion in a group is accurate. Huey’s comments are incorrect and harmful in that regards. I don’t think this conflicts with my understanding of his main point. It may conflict with some other points he’s made, and I do indeed disagree with some of those other things he’s said (don’t recall them all off the top of my head). ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-a-pile-of-shit-sculpted-into-human-shape/783344/483 "2018-10-16T16:58:34Z")
> [@Huey\_Freeman](#): > > In our culture, we have a specific word for this - we call this shit coonery. > > … > > There are conservative people of color who denounce white supremacy and do not engage in coonery … [Moderating] In our culture - that is to say, the SDMB - “coon” is a violation of our hate speech rules, as are derived terms such as “coonery.” Do not use these terms on the board again. No warning issued. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-a-pile-of-shit-sculpted-into-human-shape/783344/484 "2018-10-16T17:09:43Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > [Moderating] > In our culture - that is to say, the SDMB - “coon” is a violation of our hate speech rules, as are derived terms such as “coonery.” Do not use these terms on the board again. > > No warning issued. > [/Moderating] With all due respect, you’ll have to [warn NPR too](https://www.npr.org/sections/tellmemore/2011/04/22/135630682/tyler-perry-vs-spike-lee-a-debate-over-class-and-coonery). And [black scholars](https://www.thewrap.com/empire-under-fire-black-scholar-calls-show-ghettofied-coonery/) on CNN. Just because the word may have descended from a word you may not like doesn’t make that word by itself “hate speech.” But by all means, get niggardly about it if you must. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-a-pile-of-shit-sculpted-into-human-shape/783344/485 "2018-10-16T17:21:39Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > With all due respect, you’ll have to [warn NPR too](https://www.npr.org/sections/tellmemore/2011/04/22/135630682/tyler-perry-vs-spike-lee-a-debate-over-class-and-coonery). And [black scholars](https://www.thewrap.com/empire-under-fire-black-scholar-calls-show-ghettofied-coonery/) on CNN. > > Just because the word may have descended from a word you may not like doesn’t make that word by itself “hate speech.” > > But by all means, get niggardly about it if you must. “Niggardly” is not derived from the word “nigger”. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-a-pile-of-shit-sculpted-into-human-shape/783344/486 "2018-10-16T17:28:44Z")
Which is irrelevant to the point: Ignorance of the definition of a word that “sounds” like a bad word [caused someone to lose their job](https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/daily/jan99/district27.htm) for using it which is not much different than someone using a word that “sounds” like a bad word drew the ire of a moderator. The issue is not etymology but ignorance which I understood this board attempted to eradicate. Sorry my attempt to be cute caused you to miss that. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-a-pile-of-shit-sculpted-into-human-shape/783344/487 "2018-10-16T17:35:16Z")
Well, you were trying to be “cute” by shoehorning the word “niggardly” where it didn’t belong and the issue is indeed etymology and actual word definitions. “Coonery” is very obviously meant as “stereotypical black” and “niggardly” means stingy which has nothing to do with black stereotypes. Why should Miller be obtuse about the actual meaning of words in his moderating? If you had used the word “gypped”, where the race element is mostly forgotten but still a valid point, your post would have been less stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-a-pile-of-shit-sculpted-into-human-shape/783344/488 "2018-10-16T17:49:45Z")
One of the seals has just cracked, and I agree with **octopus**. **Huey** uses a fluid construction of race to attack people with whom he does not agree. Your children are autistic, well it’s because whites are inbred. Your children are people of color? Well, they are not sufficiently people of color, so fuck them. **octopus** is right to note that there is no one way to be black or white or asian or purple. **Huey** ’s use of a purity standard of conduct and thereby of blood (?!) is nonsense at best and harmful to any dialogue. **Huey** is as virulent a racist as any Nazi who walks the earth. He’s just getting a pass here because we sympathize with his message. Does he raise valuable questions? Absolutely. Is he well-spoken and articulate? Yes. Is he a racist, hate-driven deliverer of screeds? Hell yeah. Enjoy him, but stop pretending he’s Martin Luther King Jr, here to save us all. Also, FTR, **Bricker** does have standards, and he does not support republicans at all costs. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-a-pile-of-shit-sculpted-into-human-shape/783344/489 "2018-10-16T19:11:03Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Regardless, if West says and you write things that are stupid, you and he are fair game for criticism on the basis of being stupid. Feel free. Just realize that using a racist argument to do so is poor form. > [@asahi](#): > > I don’t think you’re in a position to understand what Huey’s rage is all about. Don’t compare your ‘plight’ and your perceived racism in the reverse with that of people of color in America. > > The fact is that America was established by racists on the platform of an economic system that depended on racism and classicism to function in the first half of our country’s history. What’s worse is that America has had opportunities to reconcile its evils, but ultimately never really done so in a way that can be considered constructive. So in the 1960s we finally became enlightened enough to stop barring immigrants of color entry into this country and allowed natural born persons of color to have more equal standing under the law. Great. > > But as we’ve seen, unless we fundamentally do change more than just laws, unless we decide to address things such as economic and social inequality, then we’ve never really made that much progress. Electing a black man - well, half black - doesn’t really change the equation either. > > What really needs changing is America’s fundamental value system, which is flawed and continues to promote inequality of all stripes even today. Maybe the system doesn’t explicitly encourage racism, but by not pursuing socioeconomic parity, we’re consciously choosing to engender a perverse form of competition between individuals and groups. I understand Huey’s point of view. I disagree that racist attacks are productive or non-hypocritical tools to advocate his point of view. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-a-pile-of-shit-sculpted-into-human-shape/783344/490 "2018-10-16T20:01:18Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Well, you were trying to be “cute” by shoehorning the word “niggardly” where it didn’t belong and the issue is indeed etymology and actual word definitions. “Coonery” is very obviously meant as “stereotypical black” and “niggardly” means stingy which has nothing to do with black stereotypes. Why should Miller be obtuse about the actual meaning of words in his moderating? > > If you had used the word “gypped”, where the race element is mostly forgotten but still a valid point, your post would have been less stupid. Okay, let me clarify. The term is not “hate speech” and should not be treated as such. Sorry that even after my explanation you still are not smart enough to get it. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-a-pile-of-shit-sculpted-into-human-shape/783344/491 "2018-10-16T20:01:26Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > With all due respect, you’ll have to [warn NPR too](https://www.npr.org/sections/tellmemore/2011/04/22/135630682/tyler-perry-vs-spike-lee-a-debate-over-class-and-coonery). And [black scholars](https://www.thewrap.com/empire-under-fire-black-scholar-calls-show-ghettofied-coonery/) on CNN. I’m not a moderator for NPR or CNN, so I can’t really do that. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-a-pile-of-shit-sculpted-into-human-shape/783344/492 "2018-10-16T20:05:41Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I’m not a moderator for NPR or CNN, so I can’t really do that. No, but you can see the evidence provided from mainstream outlets that a term you were evidently not familiar with is not “hate speech” and, having that ignorance eradicated, issue a mild mea culpa and affirm that the use of the term will not cause you to take your moderator hat off the hat rack. You could also thank me for eradicating a tiny sliver of your ignorance, which is supposedly why we’re all here, but I’m too humble to expect or request such recognition. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-a-pile-of-shit-sculpted-into-human-shape/783344/493 "2018-10-16T20:11:41Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > **octopus** is right to note that there is no one way to be black or white or asian or purple. **Huey** ’s use of a purity standard of conduct and thereby of blood (?!) is nonsense at best and harmful to any dialogue. Yup. Shit’s dehumanizing. > [@](#): > > **Huey** is as virulent a racist as any Nazi who walks the earth. Oh hell no. Some smug jackass on the Internet who likes tweaking wipipos’ noses is not as virulent as someone who runs a gas shower. Not cool. > [@](#): > > Is he well-spoken and articulate? cringe ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-a-pile-of-shit-sculpted-into-human-shape/783344/494 "2018-10-16T20:29:33Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > No, but you can see the evidence provided from mainstream outlets that a term you were evidently not familiar with is not “hate speech” and, having that ignorance eradicated, issue a mild mea culpa and affirm that the use of the term will not cause you to take your moderator hat off the hat rack. > > You could also thank me for eradicating a tiny sliver of your ignorance, which is supposedly why we’re all here, but I’m too humble to expect or request such recognition. 1. There is no single definition of “hate speech”, so you can thank the rest of us for educating you on that. 2. It’s also one thing to discuss the idea of “coonery” and another thing entirely to slap that label on another poster. CNN and NPR are doing the former. **Huey** is doing the latter. If you want to suggest that **Miller** narrow his moderation to casual use directed at other posters and outside the discussion of the subject, that’s fine. But your comparison fails. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-a-pile-of-shit-sculpted-into-human-shape/783344/495 "2018-10-16T20:35:55Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > Is he well-spoken and articulate? Yes. Fuck you. Cunt. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-a-pile-of-shit-sculpted-into-human-shape/783344/496 "2018-10-16T21:51:26Z")
:smack: I earned that one. I wasn’t referring to specifics, which are horrific, but to his perceived value to the board. Very (very, very) poorly conveyed. I retract the point entirely. Please accept my humble apologies. ---
**Author:** ![coffeecat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coffeecat/32/3405_2.png) [@coffeecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coffeecat)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-a-pile-of-shit-sculpted-into-human-shape/783344/497 "2018-10-16T22:06:10Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I don’t believe that’s **Huey** ’s point. His point (at least his main point), as I understand it, is that the societal/cultural concept of “whiteness” (which is related to but still different from the societal/cultural concept of the “white race”) is enormously powerful and influential in America, and affects nearly everyone, generally (with some exceptions) reducing the empathy and sympathy of most white Americans for non-white people, and generally (with some exceptions) reducing the rights and quality of life of most non-white Americans. And that anyone of any race can be indoctrinated by “whiteness”, even if white people are most likely to be afflicted. > > I generally agree with this main point, as I understand it, even as I disagree with some of the other things **Huey** has said. > [@octopus](#): > > I understand Huey’s point of view. I’m glad someone does. I take **Huey** ’s point to be, “People have hurt me, and I’m lashing out at anyone who resembles them.” And what is “whiteness”? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-a-pile-of-shit-sculpted-into-human-shape/783344/498 "2018-10-16T22:18:32Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > 1. There is no single definition of “hate speech”, so you can thank the rest of us for educating you on that. But it’s a pretty safe bet that if mainstream media outlets and scholars are using a term and there is no push-back or controversy that the term probably isn’t “hate speech,” yes? > [@](#): > > 1. It’s also one thing to discuss the idea of “coonery” and another thing entirely to slap that label on another poster. CNN and NPR are doing the former. **Huey** is doing the latter. If you want to suggest that **Miller** narrow his moderation to casual use directed at other posters and outside the discussion of the subject, that’s fine. But your comparison fails. I believe I can call you an asshole in the Pit. Not hate speech. Not worthy of an admonishment for hate speech. You’re an asshole. There, I totally slapped that label on you, boy howdy! That doesn’t make it hate speech. But tell me more about failing comparisons! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-a-pile-of-shit-sculpted-into-human-shape/783344/499 "2018-10-16T22:20:04Z")
> [@coffeecat](#): > > And what is “whiteness”? Start here: [Whiteness studies - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiteness_studies) There have been lots of threads about it. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2018, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-a-pile-of-shit-sculpted-into-human-shape/783344/500 "2018-10-16T22:27:23Z")
> [@coffeecat](#): > > And what is “whiteness”? > **[Whiteness studies](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiteness_studies)** > > Whiteness studies is the study of the structures that produce white privilege, the examination of what whiteness is when analyzed as a race, a culture, and a source of systemic racism, and the exploration of other social phenomena generated by the societal compositions, perceptions and group behaviors of white people. It is an interdisciplinary arena of inquiry that has developed beginning in the United States from white trash studies and critical race studies, particularly since the lat Pioneers... It’s a term. Race is a social construct. Googling I see this definition of whiteness: There are several different components of whiteness. These include: 1) racial identity, 2) racial bias, and 3) racial privilege. [https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/between-the-lines/201112/the-meaning-whiteness](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/between-the-lines/201112/the-meaning-whiteness) Though to be honest I prefer this one: Whiteness, within sociology, is defined as a set of characteristics and experiences that are attached to the white race and white skin. In the U.S. and European contexts, whiteness marks ones as normal, belonging, and native, while people in other racial categories are perceived as and treated as unusual, foreign, and exotic. Sociologists believe that what whiteness is and means is directly connected to the construction of people of color as “other” in society. Because of this, whiteness comes with a wide variety of privileges. [Whiteness: Definition in Sociology](https://www.thoughtco.com/whiteness-definition-3026743) ETA: Ninjad. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-a-pile-of-shit-sculpted-into-human-shape/783344.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-a-pile-of-shit-sculpted-into-human-shape/783344.md?page=26)