# Bricker is a Pile of Shit Sculpted into Human Shape **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 30, 2017, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-a-pile-of-shit-sculpted-into-human-shape/783344 "2017-03-30T13:46:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-a-pile-of-shit-sculpted-into-human-shape/783344/621 "2018-10-23T06:38:33Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Those little white jabs are part of the point. I look at them and I say, “Well it’s a fair cop”. Guess what? Liberals, generally speaking, have had a policy of benign/malign neglect of the the African American community for the past 30 years or so. Sure they supported all the right policies, sort of, but they didn’t exactly make race relations a priority. Personally I figured that if we got the macro policy right, a robust economy would handle the racism problem fine. I could point to declining teen African American unemployment during the boom of the 1990s. > > Then cell phone cameras recorded multiple examples of paint-peeling racism. Worse, half the country seem to think it was no big deal or make excuses for the minority of white perpetrators, often in police uniform. Then Trump got elected on a platform with foghorning racial appeals to whites. > > So yeah, I’m willing to give Huey a listen. Part of the reason I do is that he has self awareness: specifically he stays in the pit. > > Oh but why can’t Huey just be polite? Doesn’t honey attract flies I mean supporters more effectively? > > We tried that. An African American biologist was driven from the boards due to herr derr bullshit from those with little interest in fighting ignorance. If I had interacted with him more, I would have instructed him on the importance of rhetoric and ridicule as a tool against -what’s the term?- racially unenlightened white folk. Ibn had similar problems here, but eventually he got the hang of things. > > Anyway Huey stays in the pit and mostly doesn’t pull punches. If he spoke in academic terms, he’d be dismissed as a purveyor of gobbilty gook. If he spoke in scientific terms, he would be herr-derred by our knuckle draggers. If he was a terrific writer, he could thread the needle. But he isn’t a terrific writer. > > Nor am I. > > Ok, you still don’t buy it. Here’s another argument. This board is pretty damn ignorant with regards to race relations. Here’s an example: Racism = Prejudice + Power. We have a word for personal bigoted feelings. We call it “Prejudice”. There’s a need for a term encompassing both concepts. We could call it “Institutional Racism”, but methinks “Racism” is just fine. The above is Racism 101. Now you may not find that argument convincing. But I don’t think it’s something that should be dismissed out of hand, largely because it’s mainstream racism theory. It’s not _wrong_ after all: it can’t be. Because it’s a simple definition. Axioms can’t be wrong either. > > And yet Guin seems to think it can be dismissed out of hand. I’m not picking on Guin here. I’m saying that this white-centric board has a big hole in it which Huey is doing his part to fill. > > Again, you can disagree with indented portion above. But to paint it as something that is beyond the pale strikes me as ignorant. How about you argue with what I actually said? I am talking about the guy’s racism. I even specifically gave examples. **YOU AVOIDED EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.** He used a racist slur. He defends the racist concept of coonery, of black people who are insufficiently black for his tastes. He argues that white people are all inbred and that leads to autism. He argues that moderators enforcing the civility rules of this board are just being white people oppressing him. He constantly attacks all white people as being evil. I never once argued against any of the points you have stated. I never argued against liberal or Democratic neglect of people of color. I never argued that these “cell phone” incidents aren’t bad. I never said anything against BLM–I’m a fucking advocate of that movement, for fuck’s sake. And Trump’s racism has constantly been a cry. I never once defended any of the racism on this board. I’m the guy who actually says that racism should count as “being a jerk” (along with other forms of bigotry). I’ll admit I don’t know who you are talking about who got driven off. I do know several other people who did get driven off, however. If I see it happening, I’m always there to fight back. And I never once argued against anything in your indented section. I never even brought up the idea of individual racism vs. institutional/systemic racism. You accuse me of dismissing something out of hand that I never even discussed. I find it incredibly frustrating when people accuse me of things I didn’t say. I find it really hard to believe that you somehow misunderstood me, since nothing I said resembles what you claim. But I will at least give the benefit of the doubt that you ascribed what someone else said to me. Still, if you want to disagree with me, then I expect you to challenge the points I actually made. If you continue to argue things I didn’t say, then I will assume you’re just pulling one of **Bricker** ’s moves: trying to redirect the conversation to something you are right about, and hope no one notices that you never proved you weren’t wrong about the original topic. The topic is that he has said these racist (or racially prejudiced) things, and that you shouldn’t downplay that by calling them “jabs” or “missteps.” They are wrong. They override his message, because you can’t engage in racial prejudice while lecturing others about it. If he has a problem with systemic racism, why would he attack **Bricker** with a racist slur, demonstrating that he is himself racist against Latinos? He doesn’t fill any hole here. He just makes all the racist people think they were right, that social justice and racism theory really is just about attacking white people. That people who say they are against racism have no problem using it themselves to attack people they don’t like. He confirms the KKK saying that “anti-racist means anti-white.” ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-a-pile-of-shit-sculpted-into-human-shape/783344/622 "2018-10-23T06:51:42Z")
> [@Huey\_Freeman](#): > > You do know that your third cite confirms that white folks have a higher prevalence of autism, right? No, it doesn’t: > **[What's Behind the Recent Rise in Autism in the US?](https://www.livescience.com/62415-autism-rate-rises.html)** > > The percentage of kids with autism in the United States continues to rise, according to a new report. “Historically, autism prevalence has been much higher among white children compared with black and Hispanic children, according to the CDC. But i **n the most recent report, minority populations had similar percentages of kids with autism as found in white children** , Singer said. (For example, **in earlier years, autism rates were about 30 percent higher in white children than in black children; but in the latest report, the autism rate was only 7 percent higher among white children than in black children, the CDC said**.)” So, two options have been put forward: 1. The theory from the above article (and the other ones I linked to) saying that there’s been an improvement in recognising autism, and hopefully in other aspects of healthcare, for minority populations 2. Your theory about inbreeding, which by your theory apparently became a lot more popular in minority populations between 2008 and 2016. I have to ask why you reject a simple explanation that in itself is good proof of institutional racism (and god knows is backed up by a whole raft of statistics such as infant mortality rates, life expectancy rates, disease survivability rates, and so on for minority populations) so you can make the claim that “white people have a higher prevalence of autism due, in part, to inbreeding”. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-a-pile-of-shit-sculpted-into-human-shape/783344/623 "2018-10-23T11:36:30Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > That’s easy. Those are always strawmen, because the other side has never said that all [SomeRandomGroup] are bad. It also tends to be a way to undermine a legitimate issue. Of course they do. They might not _intend_ to, but quite often someone will say does so and so or think so and so. The usually-intended meaning of this constructions is “, as a general rule, do so and so”, not “a minority of do so and so”. It’s the language of stereotyping. Witness the threads that seemed to be ubiquitous here awhile ago that complained “why do women like bad boys?” and you usually had a lot of women come in and say that they didn’t. Should they not have contradicted the OP because the OP obviously didn’t mean _all_ women? ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-a-pile-of-shit-sculpted-into-human-shape/783344/624 "2018-10-23T13:27:00Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > For many, this board is not a place to “fight ignorance” or even have a proper debate. Rather, it’s a place to virtue signal for acceptance into a toxic in-group. This bizarre need for validation from dysfunctional strangers should find its way into ICD-12. You…you have _got_ to see the irony in this, right? I mean, it’s performance art, right? ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-a-pile-of-shit-sculpted-into-human-shape/783344/625 "2018-10-23T13:29:32Z")
> [@mikecurtis](#): > > I’m with\*\* Measure for Measure\*\* on this. **Huey Freeman** is posting from a place of frustration and exasperation; he’s expressing his feelings on the state of race relations in this country. And he’s owned up to the fact that some of his opinions may seem insulting to people and he seems genuinely sorry about that. As a white man who sees myself as a liberal and have (actually) worked to improve race relations, I take no offense when he broad brushes wypipo. I am secure in what I have done and am open to the fact that I may be unaware of some of my hidden (to me) racism. And, as he has said, there is a difference between criticism and insult, and too many times I seen posters here take as an insult what was meant as a criticism. I think it’s a shame that he has basically been run out of a thread that he started, in a forum specifically designed for rants and raves, because a bunch of whiners got their feeling hurt. > > As for **Bricker** ; why should anyone care if he’s playing both sides of an issue? Does he have an agenda? Probably, but, don’t we all? He’s been a member of this community for quite some time and has an expertise that is in demand here. I have been irked, as well, by his ocd to frame even philosophical discussions in the letter of the law, but I view that as my failing, not his: different people approach things from different directions and I should allow for that. > > mc Bricker is indeed pretty much an anal lover of all rules. In a discussion of changes that could be made to advance the country’s well being (we call this “progress”), he’s useless. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-a-pile-of-shit-sculpted-into-human-shape/783344/626 "2018-10-23T14:11:00Z")
Something of a moderate, which for Republicans means he accepts progress so long as it doesn’t involve any actual change. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-a-pile-of-shit-sculpted-into-human-shape/783344/627 "2018-10-23T14:13:10Z")
> [@Red\_Wiggler](#): > > Bricker is indeed pretty much an anal lover of all rules. And yet he refuses to admit it: never once has he said “IANAL”! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-a-pile-of-shit-sculpted-into-human-shape/783344/628 "2018-10-23T16:17:18Z")
> [@andros](#): > > You…you have _got_ to see the irony in this, right? I mean, it’s performance art, right? Well, if I posted as many do here but on a more conservative message board in a manner to impress my fellow posters you might have a point with your claim of irony. When I post here it sure doesn’t lead to feelings of validation or acceptance. And if you notice, I don’t change what I post in order to impress people. Other than that, yes, I see the irony. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![coffeecat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coffeecat/32/3405_2.png) [@coffeecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coffeecat)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-a-pile-of-shit-sculpted-into-human-shape/783344/629 "2018-10-23T16:49:32Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > That’s easy. Those are always strawmen, because the other side has never said that all [SomeRandomGroup] are bad. It also tends to be a way to undermine a legitimate issue. > > The most common is #NotAllMen. Currently, that is a response to #MeToo. It is thus implying that #MeToo is about attacking men, when it never has been. The hashtag accuses #MeToo of being sexist against men. Otherwise, why would you need to remind them that “not all men” are rapists? Psst. Check out the context, starting with post #600. It’s not a strawman here. I’m mostly cool with #MeToo. ---
**Author:** ![Crazy\_Canuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazy_canuck/32/5282_2.png) [@Crazy\_Canuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazy_Canuck)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-a-pile-of-shit-sculpted-into-human-shape/783344/630 "2018-10-23T17:19:55Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > When I post here it sure doesn’t lead to feelings of validation or acceptance. So why do you do it? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-a-pile-of-shit-sculpted-into-human-shape/783344/631 "2018-10-23T18:42:57Z")
> [@andros](#): > > You…you have _got_ to see the irony in this, right? I mean, it’s performance art, right? Self-awareness is not a strong suit for conservatives. In fact, [science agrees](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/study-predicts-political-beliefs-with-83-percent-accuracy-17536124/): > [@](#): > > …new research shows that Democrats exhibited significantly greater activity in the left insula, a region associated with social and self-awareness… Republicans, however, showed significantly greater activity in the right amygdala, a region involved in our fight-or flight response system. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-a-pile-of-shit-sculpted-into-human-shape/783344/632 "2018-10-23T18:42:57Z")
> [@Crazy\_Canuck](#): > > So why do you do it? Because I want to. I like reading other points of view. I like discussions that have different points of view. However, I damn sure don’t need anyone’s approval online. Why do you post here? You need validation from these misanthropes? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-a-pile-of-shit-sculpted-into-human-shape/783344/633 "2018-10-23T18:44:33Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > Self-awareness is not a strong suit for conservatives. In fact, [science agrees](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/study-predicts-political-beliefs-with-83-percent-accuracy-17536124/): So political beliefs and how one thinks is biological? That sounds racist!!1! ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-a-pile-of-shit-sculpted-into-human-shape/783344/634 "2018-10-23T18:45:50Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > So political beliefs and how one thinks is biological? That sounds racist!!1! You sound racist. Because you are. And a shitstain. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-a-pile-of-shit-sculpted-into-human-shape/783344/635 "2018-10-23T19:22:13Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > You sound racist. Because you are. And a shitstain. Oh noes! A simpleton in the pit is being edgy… :eek: You know, I thought that NPC meme hitting twitter wouldn’t reach SDMB. But your posts fit the stereotype perfectly. ---
**Author:** ![Crazy\_Canuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazy_canuck/32/5282_2.png) [@Crazy\_Canuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazy_Canuck)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-a-pile-of-shit-sculpted-into-human-shape/783344/636 "2018-10-23T20:59:13Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Because I want to. I like reading other points of view. I like discussions that have different points of view. However, I damn sure don’t need anyone’s approval online. Yeah, I don’t buy that for a second. That would explain lurking here, but they way you engage with the other posters here and repeatedly play professional victim makes my bullshit detector go off. It’s pretty obvious to even a casual lurker like myself that you’re primarily here to either poke the libs or please your Russian boss. Which is it? > [@octopus](#): > > You know, I thought that NPC meme hitting twitter wouldn’t reach SDMB. This is disingenuous as fuck. You thought it wouldn’t reach here, so you decided to bring it with you and use it here to dehumanize someone, you disgusting fucking slimeball. You are truly a spineless little maggot deserving nothing but the profoundest contempt and ridicule. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-a-pile-of-shit-sculpted-into-human-shape/783344/637 "2018-10-23T21:11:06Z")
> [@Crazy\_Canuck](#): > > Yeah, I don’t buy that for a second. That would explain lurking here, but they way you engage with the other posters here and repeatedly play professional victim makes my bullshit detector go off. It’s pretty obvious to even a casual lurker like myself that you’re primarily here to either poke the libs or please your Russian boss. Which is it? ‘Russian boss’ > [@](#): > > This is disingenuous as fuck. You thought it wouldn’t reach here, so you decided to bring it with you and use it here to dehumanize someone, you disgusting fucking slimeball. You are truly a spineless little maggot deserving nothing but the profoundest contempt and ridicule. ‘Dehumanizing’ Lol. The irony subroutine is in recursive mode. I’m surprised you didn’t work Nazi into your unhinged rant. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-a-pile-of-shit-sculpted-into-human-shape/783344/638 "2018-10-23T21:22:31Z")
Flattery isn’t our thing. ---
**Author:** ![Crazy\_Canuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazy_canuck/32/5282_2.png) [@Crazy\_Canuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazy_Canuck)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-a-pile-of-shit-sculpted-into-human-shape/783344/639 "2018-10-23T21:48:35Z")
So you’re here to poke the libs then. Just don’t act so fucking surprised when that results in you being as popular as a turd in the swimming pool. > [@octopus](#): > > ‘Dehumanizing’ You know that’s the whole reason that NPC meme thing is offensive, right? If someone is an NPC, they’re not a real human. Once you convince someone that their opponent isn’t human, you can do convince them do do whatever you want to them. It’s the reason that I no longer believe that the solution for bad speech is more speech. You can’t fight this idea with words, because your words no longer count if you’re “not human.” The only solution is violence, unfortunately. So I don’t think you’re a nazi, but you are absolutely spouting Nazi propaganda. It’s not a good look. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2018, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-a-pile-of-shit-sculpted-into-human-shape/783344/640 "2018-10-23T22:08:03Z")
> [@Crazy\_Canuck](#): > > So you’re here to poke the libs then. Just don’t act so fucking surprised when that results in you being as popular as a turd in the swimming pool. > > You know that’s the whole reason that NPC meme thing is offensive, right? If someone is an NPC, they’re not a real human. Once you convince someone that their opponent isn’t human, you can do convince them do do whatever you want to them. It’s the reason that I no longer believe that the solution for bad speech is more speech. You can’t fight this idea with words, because your words no longer count if you’re “not human.” The only solution is violence, unfortunately. > > So I don’t think you’re a nazi, but you are absolutely spouting Nazi propaganda. It’s not a good look. You asked a question and I answered. You don’t believe I post here because I’m curious about other points of view. That’s fine. However, I don’t owe civility to people who have been rude to me first. Again why do you post here? Do you need validation from others to reinforce your sense of self? You bring up an interesting point about speech being met with violence. You agree with what happened to that unfortunate reporter in Turkey? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-a-pile-of-shit-sculpted-into-human-shape/783344.md?page=31) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-a-pile-of-shit-sculpted-into-human-shape/783344.md?page=33)