# Bricker is becoming more and more like Trump **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 17, 2018, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-becoming-more-and-more-like-trump/816261 "2018-06-17T14:50:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2018, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-becoming-more-and-more-like-trump/816261/21 "2018-06-17T19:08:48Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > Not sure that follows given that **Bricker** didn’t vote for Trump. If there were more Brickers that held their nose and voted against their normal interests/party, Hillary would be president. Maybe, but it was my contention at the time that Bricker told his noble story of overcoming his aversion to competent leadership, was that everytime someone heard the term “Hold my nose and vote for Hillary” they thought, “Well, I don’t want to hold my nose.” If they held their nose and voted for the country over their party’s ideology, that’s all well and good, but if they told all of their social circles about how noble of a sacrifice they were making, then they probably caused more more of a move away from hillary to those who do not feel that they have the same level of dispassionate nobility. ---
**Author:** ![Delicious](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@Delicious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Delicious)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2018, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-becoming-more-and-more-like-trump/816261/22 "2018-06-17T21:59:55Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > The difference is is that Bricker and people like him start from the aspect of “this is what I want”, and then find ways of twisting logic and/or the law to get those results, then justify it by it being based in the law as twisted. > > Trump gets other people, like Bricker, to do the twisting for him to get what he wants. Hahaha haha! Yes, I believe Bricker is a human, I suppose you personally start from the aspect of “how do I counter my own beliefs” and apply logic to that. I like Bricker, I disagree with a lot of his politics and beliefs, but he provides good debate and is often technically correct, which we all know is the best kind. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2018, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-becoming-more-and-more-like-trump/816261/23 "2018-06-17T22:46:49Z")
No. **Bricker** is far more loyal to the Republican Party than Trump is, and he actually believes the ideology their propagandists tell him to believe. The main difference, though, is that he bothers to construct a path of rationalization to those ends that Trump does not, and that no one really has to. It’s fundamentally a process of belief and personality-cult, not reasoning. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2018, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-becoming-more-and-more-like-trump/816261/24 "2018-06-17T22:50:49Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > No. **Bricker** is far more loyal to the Republican Party than Trump is, and he actually believes the ideology their propagandists tell him to believe. > > The main difference, though, is that he bothers to construct a path of rationalization to those ends that Trump does not, and that no one really has to. It’s fundamentally a process of belief and personality-cult, not reasoning. Ha ha ha, oh my, ha ha ha ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2018, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-becoming-more-and-more-like-trump/816261/25 "2018-06-17T22:56:04Z")
Don’t post drunk. ---
**Author:** ![Baal\_Houtham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baal_houtham/32/13604_2.png) [@Baal\_Houtham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baal_Houtham)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2018, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-becoming-more-and-more-like-trump/816261/26 "2018-06-17T22:58:47Z")
Bricker ain’t perfect, but is more rational and honorable than 95% of posters. I see him hobbled by Catholic indoctrination, but there are worse sins. When he makes a medium misstep, he takes 10x the shit for it that a liberal/lefty takes for a head-over-ass slip-up. (I see myself as liberal/lefty — and regret that I feel a need to declare that.) He’s one of SDMB’s best conservatives, and I hope he never leaves the board because he just gets weary of the mob hate. (He’s nothing like Donald Trump.) ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2018, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-becoming-more-and-more-like-trump/816261/27 "2018-06-17T22:59:22Z")
> [@Delicious](#): > > Hahaha haha! > > Yes, I believe Bricker is a human, I suppose you personally start from the aspect of “how do I counter my own beliefs” and apply logic to that. > > I like Bricker, I disagree with a lot of his politics and beliefs, but he provides good debate and is often technically correct, which we all know is the best kind. Nah, I’m a pragmatist. I start from the aspect of how to achieve the best outcomes, and work from there. If the law is on my side, then I work to show that. If the law is ambiguous, and can be reasonably interpreted in ways favoring either position, then I argue for why my interpretation should be favored. If the law is not on my side, I work to show why it should be, and advocate voting or even contacting candidates for office to change the law to achieve better favorable outcomes. Bricker, otoh, uses his twisting of motives and interpretations of arguments of others along with his knowledge of the law in order to score points for his side. It’s less productive, and turns what is a useful conversation into a banging my head against the wall slugfest to try to explain for the nth time that no, that is not what I mean at all, no matter how he twisted my words so that he can interpret them in unfavorable ways. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2018, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-becoming-more-and-more-like-trump/816261/28 "2018-06-17T23:01:49Z")
> [@](#): > > …not reasoning. Aw goldurn contrary! The Counselor has to reason like a sumbitch to make his case. He makes a Jesuit logician look like Cleetus the Yokel. And do you know anybody else who has won the Silver Nitpicking Tweezer Award three years in a _row_! Nosir! ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2018, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-becoming-more-and-more-like-trump/816261/29 "2018-06-17T23:04:09Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Bricker, otoh, uses his twisting of motives and interpretations of arguments of others along with his knowledge of the law in order to score points for his side. On a scoreboard only he looks at. Sad, really. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2018, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-becoming-more-and-more-like-trump/816261/30 "2018-06-18T01:43:17Z")
I like **Rick**. I’ve liked him for nearly two decades. His posts drive me a little batty at times, but I like him, and I find comparisons to DJT inapt and unpleasant. Just, yanno, sharing. . ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2018, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-becoming-more-and-more-like-trump/816261/31 "2018-06-18T01:48:19Z")
Nothing like DJT, but goddamn, he’s derailing a thread about locking kids up to quibble over the possible connotations of “inhumane”, and when called on this sort of hijacking, doubles down. Fuck that bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2018, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-becoming-more-and-more-like-trump/816261/32 "2018-06-18T01:56:31Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Aw goldurn contrary! The Counselor has to reason like a sumbitch to make his case. He makes a Jesuit logician look like Cleetus the Yokel. And do you know anybody else who has won the Silver Nitpicking Tweezer Award three years in a _row_! Nosir! I’ll acknowledge this just so somebody will have paid attention to you this month, Cap’n Ersatz. ---
**Author:** ![AlienVessels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba8739/32.png) [@AlienVessels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlienVessels)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2018, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-becoming-more-and-more-like-trump/816261/33 "2018-06-18T01:56:48Z")
> [@Baal\_Houtham](#): > > Bricker ain’t perfect, but is more rational and honorable than 95% of posters. I see him hobbled by Catholic indoctrination, but there are worse sins. When he makes a medium misstep, he takes 10x the shit for it that a liberal/lefty takes for a head-over-ass slip-up. > > (I see myself as liberal/lefty — and regret that I feel a need to declare that.) > > He’s one of SDMB’s best conservatives, and I hope he never leaves the board because he just gets weary of the mob hate. (He’s nothing like Donald Trump.) Like most people, he’s a mix. But I find his position that the system results in the “correct” answers grotesque and incredible. Not surprising of course. The only real way to judge him is with the passage of time and the swing of the pendulum. Somehow I think his “rational and honorable” will suffer when his team doesn’t have the upper hand. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2018, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-becoming-more-and-more-like-trump/816261/34 "2018-06-18T01:56:55Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Nothing like DJT, but goddamn, he’s derailing a thread about locking kids up to quibble over the possible connotations of “inhumane”, and when called on this sort of hijacking, doubles down. Fuck that bullshit. It’s not hijacking. “Inhumane,” is a weak argument. I realize you’d rather that weak arguments be coddled by people who won’t call out weak arguments when they agree that the target of the argument’s attack is a worthy one, but I don’t share that desire. POSTER 1: Trump is an inhumane evil dictator who eats live babies for breakfast! ME: Um, I think there is legitimate criticism of many Trump policies, but he’s hardly a canni… THE SMDB CROWD: WHY ARE YOU DEFENDING HISTORY’S GREATEST MONSTER?? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2018, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-becoming-more-and-more-like-trump/816261/35 "2018-06-18T01:58:51Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > It’s not hijacking. “Inhumane,” is a weak argument. I realize you’d rather that weak arguments be coddled by people who won’t call out weak arguments when they agree that the target of the argument’s attack is a worthy one, but I don’t share that desire. > > POSTER 1: Trump is an inhumane evil dictator who eats live babies for breakfast! > > ME: Um, I think there is legitimate criticism of many Trump policies, but he’s hardly a canni… > > THE SMDB CROWD: WHY ARE YOU DEFENDING HISTORY’S GREATEST MONSTER?? You want cogency? Yeah, fuck that, man. You’re into some seriously bullshit pedantry here, supposedly attacking hyperbole but in reality engaging in far worse hyperbole yourself, and I’m not fucking interested. You’re being a douchebag. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2018, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-becoming-more-and-more-like-trump/816261/36 "2018-06-18T02:00:38Z")
Trump only wishes he was history’s greatest monster, in his narcissistic quest to be history’s greatest anything. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2018, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-becoming-more-and-more-like-trump/816261/37 "2018-06-18T02:04:02Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > It’s not hijacking. “Inhumane,” is a weak argument. I realize you’d rather that weak arguments be coddled by people who won’t call out weak arguments when they agree that the target of the argument’s attack is a worthy one, but I don’t share that desire. > > POSTER 1: Trump is an inhumane evil dictator who eats live babies for breakfast! > > ME: Um, I think there is legitimate criticism of many Trump policies, but he’s hardly a canni… > > THE SMDB CROWD: WHY ARE YOU DEFENDING HISTORY’S GREATEST MONSTER?? …“inhumane” isn’t the argument. Therefore it cannot be a “weak argument.” “Inhumane” is a word. "Inhumane is a word with a pretty clear definition, that most of the people are using in that thread correctly, and they have posted definitions in support of their usage of that word. You have disagreed: and have invented a definition of “inhumane” to support that position. So it really comes down to a single word, and how it is used. Nobody has accused Trump of eating babies. This is really truly fucking pathetic of you Bricker. Your country needs you right now. Stop being a fucking nonce. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2018, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-becoming-more-and-more-like-trump/816261/38 "2018-06-18T02:06:25Z")
> [@Baal\_Houtham](#): > > Bricker ain’t perfect, but is more rational and **honorable** than 95% of posters. My bold. Honorable? I’m still trying to look for a particular DACA thread where, no, he was not honorable, and was closer to a completely reprehensible, morally bankrupt POS sophist. (yeah yeah I realise cites help. Though I’m tearing my hear out, I’m still on it, or maybe someone can beat me to ferreting out that thread) Continuing the honorable thing - do you feel, then, that **Bricker** argues in good faith more so than most dopers here? You don’t ever find that he sometimes uses obscure legal angles to support dubious ideas? (for _that_ one - please don’t ask me to cite, because, you know what I mean on that last point, right?) > [@Baal\_Houtham](#): > > I see him hobbled by Catholic indoctrination… I see him hobbled by Republican horseshit. > [@Baal\_Houtham](#): > > He’s one of SDMB’s best conservatives… Agreed. There aren’t too many righties here I’d esteem more. > [@Bricker](#): > > POSTER 1: Trump is an inhumane evil dictator who eats live babies for breakfast! > > ME: Um, I think there is legitimate criticism of many Trump policies, but he’s hardly a canni… > > THE SMDB CROWD: WHY ARE YOU DEFENDING HISTORY’S GREATEST MONSTER?? Classy hyperbole proving nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2018, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-becoming-more-and-more-like-trump/816261/39 "2018-06-18T02:16:43Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > You want cogency? > > Yeah, fuck that, man. You’re into some seriously bullshit pedantry here, supposedly attacking hyperbole but in reality engaging in far worse hyperbole yourself, and I’m not fucking interested. You’re being a douchebag. _sigh_ Yes. Here in The Pit, this is hyperbole. In GD, from me, no. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2018, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-becoming-more-and-more-like-trump/816261/40 "2018-06-18T02:23:15Z")
> [@Baal\_Houtham](#): > > He’s one of SDMB’s best conservatives, and I hope he never leaves the board because he just gets weary of the mob hate. (He’s nothing like Donald Trump.) QFT. (WTF, **septimus**?) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-becoming-more-and-more-like-trump/816261.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-becoming-more-and-more-like-trump/816261.md?page=3)