# Bricker is becoming more and more like Trump **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 17, 2018, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-becoming-more-and-more-like-trump/816261 "2018-06-17T14:50:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2018, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-becoming-more-and-more-like-trump/816261/101 "2018-06-19T13:01:59Z")
He’s a troll. He dresses it up with pomposity, but he’s a straight up troll and he does it by nitpicking, ignoring other people’s points, and distracting diatribes on secondary issues because he apparently has no fucking life whatsoever so he can outlast the well adjusted who have things to do and people who love them. He’s one of the Dope’s HPCFs (high post count freak) who is granted status simply for always being here. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2018, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-becoming-more-and-more-like-trump/816261/102 "2018-06-19T13:04:06Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > He’s a troll. Nonsense. “Troll” gets way overused here. Whatever other problems his posts sometimes have, that’s a ridiculous way to describe him. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2018, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-becoming-more-and-more-like-trump/816261/103 "2018-06-19T13:11:33Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Nonsense. “Troll” gets way overused here. Whatever other problems his posts sometimes have, that’s a ridiculous way to describe him. That’s precisely the sort of response I’d expect from a [del]HFCS[/del] HPCF. . ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2018, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-becoming-more-and-more-like-trump/816261/104 "2018-06-19T13:28:07Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Except for a personal habit and a couple issues, he’s pretty reasonable. Sometimes it gets tedious about his hanging on to matters of whether things are legal instead of whether they are right. I see people getting upset about this all the time, but in my experience most of the time it goes something like this **OP:** [or post in the thread]: X cannot be legal. **Bricker:** Actually, if you look at Y court case, you’ll see that X actually is legal. **Other Posters:** Why are you obsessed with legalities when X is morally wrong? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2018, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-becoming-more-and-more-like-trump/816261/105 "2018-06-19T14:44:52Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Well I have some questions. > > 1. A train is barreling down on 3 illegal immigrants tied to the tracks. You are standing by a switch, which will divert the train to a second track with West Virginian coal miner attached. If you pull the switch, would that violate the Uniform Commercial Code? Nope. > [@](#): > > 1. A 2014 written contract between Trump and Putin emerges, where Putin agrees to provide secret support for Trump’s Presidential bid in exchange for the US engaging in trade wars with its allies, suspension of additional economic sanctions on Russia, and acquisance to closer ties with North Korea. Since it was written before Trump took office, would that violate the emoluments clause? To the extent that payments pursuant to the contract are made after the inauguration. . . maybe. > [@](#): > > 1. Trump orders a military parade, complete with rolling tanks carrying 40 foot portraits of himself and George Washington giving the thumbs up. Under such circumstances, what’s the best way to segue into a discussion of constitutional law? Pointing out that as long as the parade keeps moving, no one has to quarter the troops. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2018, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-becoming-more-and-more-like-trump/816261/106 "2018-06-19T14:50:52Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I see people getting upset about this all the time, but in my experience most of the time it goes something like this > > **OP:** [or post in the thread]: X cannot be legal. > > **Bricker:** Actually, if you look at Y court case, you’ll see that X actually is legal. > > **Other Posters:** Why are you obsessed with legalities when X is morally wrong? Often I find that he’s the only one talking about legality when the conversation is on the morality or impact of the topic. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2018, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-becoming-more-and-more-like-trump/816261/107 "2018-06-19T14:58:49Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I see people getting upset about this all the time, but in my experience most of the time it goes something like this > > **OP:** [or post in the thread]: X cannot be legal. > > **Bricker:** Actually, if you look at Y court case, you’ll see that X actually is legal. > > **Other Posters:** Why are you obsessed with legalities when X is morally wrong? As others have mentioned that isn’t that common. What’s approximately as common as your scenario is: [cite that something is legal] “But what if the court eventually rules that it ISN’T legal? If you were really committed to your moral point of view you’d stop at nothing to implement what’s right! I bet you’d support skirting the law in any way necessary for the greater good. YOU’RE A WANNABE DICTATOR!” That isn’t very common either. What’s more common is trying to shift the framework toward discussing what is legal whether or not it is moral, even when no one is claiming that the law is firmly resolved in their favor. Then, as an advanced tactic, if someone objects, ask them what they’re going to do and invoke the aforementioned “wannabe dictator” gambit. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2018, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-becoming-more-and-more-like-trump/816261/108 "2018-06-19T15:19:40Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I see people getting upset about this all the time, but in my experience most of the time it goes something like this > > **OP:** [or post in the thread]: X cannot be legal. > > **Bricker:** Actually, if you look at Y court case, you’ll see that X actually is legal. > > **Other Posters:** Why are you obsessed with legalities when X is morally wrong? IMHO this is part of a much broader problem. Many people have a tendency to assume that if something/someone is good/bad, then it’s/they are good/bad in every single aspect. Similarly, if they agree/disagree with something, then they also agree/disagree with every single argument or bit of evidence which supports their conclusion. This is bad enough when it’s just their own shoddy reasoning. But they also project this on other people. So if someone offers an opinion about one argument in favor of one aspect of an issue, these people will then extrapolate that this person must also approve of all other arguments/conclusions/positions which align with that same “side” of the issue, even though there’s no logical basis for this. (manson1972 alluded to something similar as applied to Bricker, in post #84 above.) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2018, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-becoming-more-and-more-like-trump/816261/109 "2018-06-19T15:27:20Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Often I find that he’s the only one talking about legality when the conversation is on the morality or impact of the topic. Well, my experience is different so I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree. I’ll just note that it’s extremely common for people to say things like “he’s a known felon” when what they really mean is “I believe he could be convicted of a felony if he was tried”. The first statement is a clear assertion of a legal claim. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2018, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-becoming-more-and-more-like-trump/816261/110 "2018-06-19T15:28:20Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > …Pointing out that as long as the parade keeps moving, no one has to quarter the troops. Actually, yeah, this has the ring of truth, except for leaving out the part where this proves that voter ID is totally legal and Constitutional. ---
**Author:** ![RobDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f07891/32.png) [@RobDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RobDog)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2018, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-becoming-more-and-more-like-trump/816261/111 "2018-06-19T15:47:09Z")
Right then **Bricker**. I shall rephrase **Measure for Measure** ’s hypothetical in a way that I believe will provide your fine legal mind with a bit more of a challenge: A 2014 written contract between Trump and Putin emerges, where Putin agrees to provide secret support for Trump’s Presidential bid in exchange for the US engaging in trade wars with its allies, suspension of additional economic sanctions on Russia, and acquiescence to closer ties with North Korea. Who would have created the more successful Broadway musical of this event; Rodgers and Hammerstein or Leonard Bernstein? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2018, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-becoming-more-and-more-like-trump/816261/112 "2018-06-19T16:18:54Z")
That depends on whether one or the other of them were in the room where it happened, the room where it happened, the room where it happened. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2018, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-becoming-more-and-more-like-trump/816261/113 "2018-06-19T16:24:12Z")
Anyway, it’s a trick question. Because those guys were all dead in 2014, none of them could have scored any such musical. The most any of them could do is decompose. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2018, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-becoming-more-and-more-like-trump/816261/114 "2018-06-19T17:36:40Z")
> [@RobDog](#): > > A 2014 written contract between Trump and Putin emerges, where Putin agrees to provide secret support for Trump’s Presidential bid in exchange for the US engaging in trade wars with its allies, suspension of additional economic sanctions on Russia, and acquiescence to closer ties with North Korea. Who would have created the more successful Broadway musical of this event; Rodgers and Hammerstein or Leonard Bernstein? > [@kaylasdad99](#): > > That depends on whether one or the other of them were in the room where it happened, the room where it happened, the room where it happened. New York mogul and a tyrant walk into a room Not really foes, as it goes They emerge with a contract, ties to No. Ko. And a presidential row in tow. So: No one else was in the room where it happened The room where it happened The room where it happened No one else was in the room where it happened The room where it happened The room where it happened No one really knows ‘bout the art of the deal How the lies sound so real And the health care’s repealed We just assume that it happens But no one else is in The room where it happens. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2018, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-becoming-more-and-more-like-trump/816261/115 "2018-06-19T17:42:38Z")
Nice. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2018, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-becoming-more-and-more-like-trump/816261/116 "2018-06-19T18:05:46Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Nice. 😃 So the answer to “Rodgers and Hammerstein or Leonard Bernstein?” is now clear: neither. It’s Bricker, with help from Lin-Manuel. ---
**Author:** ![Eva\_Luna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e495f1/32.png) [@Eva\_Luna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eva_Luna)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2018, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-becoming-more-and-more-like-trump/816261/117 "2018-06-19T18:59:51Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > So, again – again again, actually – do you have some question about the Mueller investigation, or any other topic, that you wish to pose to me? I’m still waiting for your response in the child detention thread about what to do about people with previous run-ins with ICE who may also have legit asylum claims. Feel free to answer that any day now. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2018, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-becoming-more-and-more-like-trump/816261/118 "2018-06-19T19:42:06Z")
Put them in the chorus. IANAL. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2018, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-becoming-more-and-more-like-trump/816261/119 "2018-06-19T19:59:22Z")
> [@Eva\_Luna](#): > > I’m still waiting for your response in the child detention thread about what to do about people with previous run-ins with ICE who may also have legit asylum claims. Feel free to answer that any day now. [Done.](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21032976&postcount=351) ---
**Author:** ![RobDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f07891/32.png) [@RobDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RobDog)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2018, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-becoming-more-and-more-like-trump/816261/120 "2018-06-19T20:09:45Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > New York mogul and a tyrant walk into a room > Not really foes, as it goes > > They emerge with a contract, ties to No. Ko. > And a presidential row in tow. So: > > No one else was in the room where it happened > The room where it happened > The room where it happened > > No one else was in the room where it happened > The room where it happened > The room where it happened > > No one really knows ‘bout the art of the deal > How the lies sound so real > And the health care’s repealed > > We just assume that it happens > But no one else is in > The room where it happens. Bravo. ::throws flowers:: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-becoming-more-and-more-like-trump/816261.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-is-becoming-more-and-more-like-trump/816261.md?page=7)