# Bricker the troll **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 27, 2009, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-the-troll/511791 "2009-09-27T23:31:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-the-troll/511791/61 "2009-09-28T14:27:54Z")
> [@Sinaijon](#): > > Since somebody asked, about 30% of the registrations ACORN gathered last year were invalid. (Some were dupes, some where fraudulent, some incomplete) 400,000 out of 1.3 Million. About 30% where change of address, and the final third were actually new registrations. > > [http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/24/us/politics/24acorn.html?\_r=1](http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/24/us/politics/24acorn.html?_r=1) That 30% couldn’t vote, now could it? So where’s the harm? And, by the way, that leaves 70% which \*are \*valid. That’s a lot of voters who wouldn’t normally have voted. It’s not ACORN’s fault that some of those new voters won’t vote the way you like. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-the-troll/511791/62 "2009-09-28T14:31:00Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I have no persecution complex. Um, okay, but how would you know? > [@](#): > > I hang out here specifically because I know I’ll be ‘persecuted’, because it’s always good to test your ideas against your opponents instead of living in an echo chamber like you and most of the other people here do. It’s even better to test your grasp of facts than of ideas. But does that ever work with you? Has there ever been any occasion when you’ve realized you were simply wrong about the facts? That you got lied to and swallowed it whole? Well, there have been many when you \*should \*have. > [@](#): > > My reputation, and other conservative/libertarian reputations on this board, hinge on how closely we manage to agree with you. Wrong. It’s based on how well you grasp and apply facts. That isn’t a matter of opinion or agreement, it’s a matter of reality vs. fantasy. That is what your reputation lies on, and why it’s not one you should be proud of. > [@](#): > > Precisely because I try to be open minded, from time to time I’ll find myself agreeing with you or others over some issue. Don’t kid yourself about that, either. > [@](#): > > In the meantime, half of you routinely issue whoppers so large my keyboard has jaw imprints in it. All you ever have to do is point out where the things being stated as fact are wrong. Do you ever? Can you point out your favorite example of that, just for our consideration? Even one? > [@](#): > > You all are completely blind to your partisanship, your own skewing of the facts, and your own shocking lack of knowledge of any news or fact that doesn’t make its way into the lefty blogosphere. Okay, let’s try this: What is your definition of “fact”? How is it different from your definition of “opinion”? Or your definition of “talking point”, for that matter? Do you even know? > [@](#): > > =When the Abu Ghraib story broke, this board was full of people who didn’t see it as just the actions of a few out of control soldiers, but were determined to smear the entire Bush administration and half the U.S. military with it. If you’re going to call people out on lies, it’s best not to lie yourself, huh? Especially not so childishly. Not one person ever said “the entire Bush administration” OR “half the US military”, did they? Either you don’t know better or you just don’t care, do you? > [@](#): > > You all were absolutely sure that this stuff went all the way up the ladder to Rumsfeld and Bush, and that there needed to be deep investigations, special prosecutors, yada yada. Do the names Gonzales, Yoo, Feith, Addington, Bybee, and Haynes ring any bells with you? The documentation is there. Facts. > [@](#): > > Then MULTIPLE ACORN offices are found to be apparently helping people defraud the government and hide child prostitution Not true, in either case. Don’t lie. Facts. > [@](#): > > and the instant response from the people in that thread, with a few exceptions, was utter disbelief, followed by denial that it happened Facts again. > [@](#): > > attempts to attack the messenger by deflecting the debate over whether laws were broken in recording what happened That’s where the facts lead. That’s were laws were broken. > [@](#): > > And the remotest suggestion that perhaps the problems with ACORN went deeper than just a few isolated bad apples was met with ridicule. No, your ridiculous attempts to continue the lies were met with ridicule. And quite properly, too. > [@](#): > > In the meantime, ACORN has been charged with numerous other crimes having to do with voter registration fraud and other malfeasances No, not the organization, only individuals. But those are facts, and therefore irrelevant to you. > [@](#): > > and all of this is ignored, or swept under the rug, or written off as no big deal whatsoever. No, dismissed as FALSE. There’s that problem with facts again. You certainly have the ability to contribute to our discussions here, but not the willingness to do so with even the minimum respect to the world of reality. At least **Bricker** has enough connection with Planet Earth to try to tailor his arguments around facts. You just bluster about the people pointing them out to you whenever you get caught out either making up lies or repeating others’, as happens so routinely. You mentioned your “reputation” here, as if you even knew what yours is here. Reputations are _earned_. You’ve earned yours very well indeed. Remember: Facts. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-the-troll/511791/63 "2009-09-28T14:34:53Z")
'Ya know, **Shodan** , it’s not that you are conservative. That isn’t it. The SDMB doesn’t automatically attack anyone who dissents from the liberal groupthink. It’s just that you are dishonest. Now, if you were an honest debater, like **Bricker** , you wouldn’t be Pitted and called a troll. Because the word ‘troll’ on the SDMB is not just shorthand for anyone who isn’t a knee-jerker. So debate honestly, don’t lie, and these accusations will stop happening.’ Suuuuuuuuuuuuuure they will. 😃 Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-the-troll/511791/64 "2009-09-28T14:59:13Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > 'Ya know, **Shodan** , it’s not that you are conservative. That isn’t it. The SDMB doesn’t automatically attack anyone who dissents from the liberal groupthink. It’s just that you are dishonest. > > Now, if you were an honest debater, like **Bricker** , you wouldn’t be Pitted and called a troll. Because the word ‘troll’ on the SDMB is not just shorthand for anyone who isn’t a knee-jerker. > > So debate honestly, don’t lie, and these accusations will stop happening.’ > > Suuuuuuuuuuuuuure they will. > > 😃 > > Regards, > Shodan Well, if you’d actually debate honestly for once, you wouldn’t have to use an imaginary third person as a guide. But we’ll never know, will we? ---
**Author:** ![Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimmy_Gibbler)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-the-troll/511791/65 "2009-09-28T14:59:25Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Regards, > Shodan I doubt anyone will pit you for switching sides if it bothers you that much. ---
**Author:** ![Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e68b1a/32.png) [@Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abby_Emma_Sasha)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-the-troll/511791/66 "2009-09-28T15:08:16Z")
It’s too bad people think Bricker is a troll, it’s too bad anyone is thought of as a troll. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-the-troll/511791/67 "2009-09-28T15:15:25Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Remember: Facts. **Sam** doesn’t do facts. [He tells lies.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11601511&postcount=150) ---
**Author:** ![ladyfoxfyre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@ladyfoxfyre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ladyfoxfyre)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-the-troll/511791/68 "2009-09-28T15:34:25Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > 'Ya know, **Shodan** , it’s not that you are conservative. That isn’t it. The SDMB doesn’t automatically attack anyone who dissents from the liberal groupthink. It’s just that you are dishonest. > > Now, if you were an honest debater, like **Bricker** , you wouldn’t be Pitted and called a troll. Because the word ‘troll’ on the SDMB is not just shorthand for anyone who isn’t a knee-jerker. > > So debate honestly, don’t lie, and these accusations will stop happening.’ > > Suuuuuuuuuuuuuure they will. > > 😃 > > Regards, > Shodan Well, considering the majority of the people participating in this thread, myself included, came in to say that the accusation of trollery was unwarranted, this whole post pretty much reeks of bullshit, now doesn’t it. Try reading more than just the OP next time. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-the-troll/511791/69 "2009-09-28T15:38:06Z")
> [@Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](#): > > It’s too bad people think Bricker is a troll, it’s too bad anyone is thought of as a troll. Once you find out what they mean by “troll”, it isn’t too bad at all. Some of these people are idiots - if they approve what I posted, I would worry. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Ellis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/977dab/32.png) [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-the-troll/511791/70 "2009-09-28T15:49:40Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Once you find out what they mean by “troll”, it isn’t too bad at all. Some of these people are idiots - if they approve what I posted, I would worry. > > Regards, > Shodan Ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-the-troll/511791/71 "2009-09-28T15:50:11Z")
Look at the kind of horseshit they believe in. **Snowboarder Bo** claims that this post by **Sam** is a lie - > [@Sam Stone](#): > > Oh, and look: A DIRECTOR of ACORN was also [convicted of fraud](http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2009/aug/acorn-director-pleads-guilty) Click on the link, and what do you find? > [@](#): > > A high-ranking official at the taxpayer-funded leftist group that conducts fraudulent voter registration drives has pleaded guilty to conspiracy for organizing a scheme that illegally paid workers to register new voters…In previous elections, ACORN has been busted for falsifying information to register new voters in numerous other states, including Wisconsin, Missouri, Ohio, North Carolina and Colorado to name a few. In 2007 the group settled the largest case of voter fraud in the history of Washington State after seven workers were caught submitting about 2,000 fake registration forms. > [@ladyfoxfyre](#): > > Well, considering the majority of the people participating in this thread, myself included, came in to say that the accusation of trollery was unwarranted, this whole post pretty much reeks of bullshit, now doesn’t it. Considering the number of posters who turned this thread into attacks on **Sam Stone** and the usual repeated denials that the facts in the ACORN case(s) were as they were, no, it doesn’t. Not at all. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Ellis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/977dab/32.png) [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-the-troll/511791/72 "2009-09-28T15:51:46Z")
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha ---
**Author:** ![ladyfoxfyre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@ladyfoxfyre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ladyfoxfyre)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-the-troll/511791/73 "2009-09-28T15:53:04Z")
Look at what you’re doing to **Michael Ellis**. Just stop, if there’s any compassionate bone in your body. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-the-troll/511791/74 "2009-09-28T15:53:53Z")
That judicialwatch site is fucking hilarious. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-the-troll/511791/75 "2009-09-28T15:55:17Z")
After a year of Bricker’s baseless insinuations about Acorn, I stand by my use of the word “troll.” What’s the difference between a “baseless insinuation” and a “lie?” Maybe there is one in court, but out in the real world they are the same thing. He’s stirring shit to get a rise out of people, and that’s trolling. **Sam** and **Shodan** are just mean-spirited idiots. I don’t expect better out of them. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-the-troll/511791/76 "2009-09-28T16:06:42Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Look at the kind of horseshit they believe in. **Snowboarder Bo** claims that this post by **Sam** is a lie -Click on the link, and what do you find? Considering the number of posters who turned this thread into attacks on **Sam Stone** and the usual repeated denials that the facts in the ACORN case(s) were as they were, no, it doesn’t. Not at all. > > Regards, > Shodan Actually, now you are lying. What I said was that the text he quoted to support his assertion wasn’t in the link he provided. Fuck off, Bo ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-the-troll/511791/77 "2009-09-28T16:09:02Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > **Snowboarder Bo** claims that this post by **Sam** is a lie > > > [@](#): > > > > A DIRECTOR of ACORN was also convicted of fraud > > Click on the link, and what do you find? This: > [@](#): > > As a Nevada field director … organizing a scheme that illegally paid workers to register new voters Both the subject and the predicate of **Sam** ’s statement are lies. The subject noun, the capitalized “DIRECTOR”, has a normal meaning along the lines of “Board of Directors”, for the purpose of insinuating that there is corruption which starts at the very top of the organization. But the guy he refers to was a first-level supervisor. The predicate is also a lie. His conviction was not for fraud, as his own fucking cite says. And for that matter, that site is JudicialWatch. Might as well cite a Free Republic post. > [@](#): > > Regards, > Shodan Your own damn signature line is a lie. You have no regards for anyone more sane than Glenn Beck. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-the-troll/511791/78 "2009-09-28T16:14:55Z")
On the evidence of the OP the only troll in this thread is **dropzone**. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-the-troll/511791/79 "2009-09-28T16:25:06Z")
Calling **Bricker** a troll is just stupid. His opinion and responses to the ACORN silliness have been confused, but it seems quite clear to me that he’s not doing it with the intention of stirring people up. He rarely posts with such motivation, unlike a fucking rusted tool such as **Shodan** , who usually does. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2009, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-the-troll/511791/80 "2009-09-28T16:29:47Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > ..Click on the link, and what do you find? … What do you find? Scandal! Corruption! Nefarious procedures! Actually, not much. The relevent state law forbids offering an incentive for registration workers to perform with exceptional zeal. Apparently, the authors of said regulation feared that if registration canvassers were offered extra incentive for production, that could lead to problems. Point taken, it very well could. But does any reasonable person believe that this rather minor flub constitute a ghastly assault on our election system? Seriously? And only the utterest maroon could look at that site and not know that it is dedicated to a ferocious attack on ACORN. “…Christopher Edwards paid canvassers—many of them “lazy crack heads”…” just for instance. And please note that charges and allegations are offered as proof of charges and allegations. We’re blowing smoke, there must be fire! Who are ACORN’s enemies, and why? Why are they hated with such ferocity? Who benefits? I submit that ACORN is hated precisely for pursuing an effort that ought to considered worthwhile, if not actually noble. They are seeking to empower the powerless, to bring them into the civic arena. This arouses considerable distress amongst those who would prefer…what? That they remain powerless and disorganized? Does anyone have any doubt as to why they would prefer that? You can’t actually judge a group entirely by its enemies, but I submit to you that its a darn good clue. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-the-troll/511791.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bricker-the-troll/511791.md?page=5)