# Bridge-gate Trial: FINALLY **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 22, 2016, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bridge-gate-trial-finally/766601 "2016-09-22T21:18:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2016, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bridge-gate-trial-finally/766601/41 "2016-09-25T00:44:48Z")
I find it hard to believe that any of you could have been following the Republican primary campaign, in which Christie was a prominent player, and not have heard of Bridgegate. What exactly DID you know about Christie? Just that he’s loud, fat, and abrasive? ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2016, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bridge-gate-trial-finally/766601/42 "2016-09-25T00:52:27Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > Like I said/implied. If some court of law (and don’t get me wrong, if some political shenagins kept this FROM being tried that is a whole nuther level of bull shit) gets “supposed” bad actors tried and they are found guilty (barring EITHER some getting off ON a technicallity OR NOT getting found guilty on one)… The trial is currently happening. That is pretty much the reason this thread exists. One person has already entered a guilty plea. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2016, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bridge-gate-trial-finally/766601/43 "2016-09-25T00:55:15Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > The trial is currently happening. That is pretty much the reason this thread exists. One person has already entered a guilty plea. Well, when you see me defending their asses you might have something worth pointing out. I notice Boblimdeb/whoever got quite…I wonder why? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2016, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bridge-gate-trial-finally/766601/44 "2016-09-25T00:56:58Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > Well, when you see me defending their asses you might have something worth pointing out. > > I notice Boblimdeb/whoever got quite…I wonder why? Still around, I’ll have more to add a bit later. Thank you for your interest. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2016, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bridge-gate-trial-finally/766601/45 "2016-09-25T00:58:15Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Still around, I’ll have more to add a bit later. Thank you for your interest. Takes awhile to round the wagons doesn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2016, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bridge-gate-trial-finally/766601/46 "2016-09-25T01:11:12Z")
You said, “Like I said/implied. If some court of law gets “supposed” bad actors tried and they are found guilty… Nail their asses to the wall…” in an earlier post. This seems like you were not aware that a trial is occurring and that one person has entered a guilty plea. David Wildstein is not a “supposed” bad actor. He admitted in court that he committed crimes. [Here](http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2015/05/david_wildstein_pleads_guilty.html)’s some stuff that was said in court a couple months ago… > [@](#): > > “Prior to on or about August 12, 2013, did you have separate discussions with Mr. Baroni and Ms. Kelly about how the local access lanes could be used as leverage against Mayor Sokolich,” Wigenton asked Wildstein during a series of 43 questions outlining his role in the scandal. > > “Yes,” Wildstein said. > > “Did you agree with others, including Mr. Baroni and Ms. Kelly, to punish Mayor Sokolich for not endorsing Governor Christie by deliberately causing significant traffic problems in Fort Lee,” he asked. > > “Yes,” Wildstein answered. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2016, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bridge-gate-trial-finally/766601/47 "2016-09-25T01:42:00Z")
Here’s some questions Wildstein answered ‘yes’ to in his guilty plea concerning the traffic study in case anyone still thinks there was a legitimate traffic study going on. > [@](#): > > As to the details of the scheme, did you, Mr. Baroni, and Ms. Kelly also agree to use the cover story of a traffic study as a justification for unwitting Port Authority personnel whose services would be used to implement the changes to the Local Access Lanes? > > Did you, Mr. Baroni, and Ms. Kelly, also agree to use the cover story of a traffic study as a means of concealing the true punitive purpose of the plan? > > After the lane reductions ended on September 13, 2013, did you, Mr. Baroni, and Ms. Kelly continue your agreement to use Port Authority property, including the time and services of Port Authority personnel, to advance the cover story that the reductions were for a traffic study? > > Did you, Mr. Baroni, and Ms. Kelly continue to advance the cover story of a traffic study to conceal the true punitive purpose of the lane and toll booth reductions? ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2016, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bridge-gate-trial-finally/766601/48 "2016-09-25T01:49:22Z")
Here’s a few more questions that Wildstein answered ‘yes’ to in his guilty plea. I’m not posting these to address any argument made in this thread. I’m just highlighting what colossal dicks these people are. > [@](#): > > Did you, Mr. Baroni, and Ms. Kelly also agree that no advance notice of the lane and toll booth reductions would be provided to Mayor Sokolich, the Fort Lee Chief of Police, and the residents of Fort Lee? > > Did you, Mr. Baroni, and Ms. Kelly also purposely choose to begin these lane and toll booth reductions on the tirst day of the school year in Fort Lee? > > Were the decisions not to give advance notice and to select the first day of school made to maximize the traffic congestion in Fort Lee and, thus, the punishment of Mayor Sokolich? ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2016, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bridge-gate-trial-finally/766601/49 "2016-09-25T01:50:57Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > I notice Boblimdeb/whoever got quite…I wonder why? Got quite…what? Gassy? I understand he had a burrito for dinner. Just open a window, he’ll be fine in a little while. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2016, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bridge-gate-trial-finally/766601/50 "2016-09-25T02:43:13Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > You said, “Like I said/implied. If some court of law gets “supposed” bad actors tried and they are found guilty… Nail their asses to the wall…” in an earlier post. > > This seems like you were not aware that a trial is occurring and that one person has entered a guilty plea. > > David Wildstein is not a “supposed” bad actor. He admitted in court that he committed crimes. > > [Here](http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2015/05/david_wildstein_pleads_guilty.html)’s some stuff that was said in court a couple months ago… And yet AGAIN. Like I said…if people admit guilt and or are found guilty (barring serious political shenagins)… nail their asses to the wall… WTF else do you want me to say? That I get the shivers every time I miss something about this particular scandal…that I wank off every time somebody involved in this “gets off” (heh) so to speak. Yeah, I might argue principle and evidence and rules of law and spirit of law and shit about this particular detail or that nuance of law… Then again, as far as scandals go this is pretty low on the radar for me… But, let me repeat for the retarded of hearing… You hold up traffic for some dick ball reason…and bad shit happens…well, enjoy your time in jail… ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2016, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bridge-gate-trial-finally/766601/51 "2016-09-25T05:15:27Z")
Great. We’re in agreement. People found guilty in the bridgegate trial should be punished. It seemed at points that you were trying to say more than that, but if that’s all you’re saying I won’t disagree with you. I can’t imagine who would disagree with idea that people guilty of crimes should be punished as a general rule. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bridge-gate-trial-finally/766601/52 "2016-09-28T01:13:20Z")
[Wildstein testifies that Christie knew](http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2016/09/wildstein_bridgegate_christie.html). ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bridge-gate-trial-finally/766601/53 "2016-09-28T04:27:55Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > [Wildstein testifies that Christie knew](http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2016/09/wildstein_bridgegate_christie.html). I wish I could believe that this will ultimately result in a conviction of Christie. Does anyone not think he’s guilty? The problem is proving it. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bridge-gate-trial-finally/766601/54 "2016-10-06T04:28:10Z")
[Christie hates being called a fat fuck.](http://nypost.com/2016/10/05/officials-fat-f-k-insult-infuriated-christie-staffer-testifies/) Funny how all those Republicans bravely fighting political correctness can’t take it. > [@](#): > > You don’t call Chris Christie fat and get away with it. > > Staffers for the portly New Jersey governor were ordered to freeze out elected officials who offended their boss — including a county freeholder who called him a “fat f–k” in the wake of Hurricane Sandy, it emerged Wednesday at the Bridgegate trial. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bridge-gate-trial-finally/766601/55 "2016-10-06T04:34:11Z")
The freeholder was contacted by the local media and disputes the claim about him calling the governor a “fat fuck.” He actually called him a fat _motherfucker_. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bridge-gate-trial-finally/766601/56 "2016-10-06T04:47:20Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > I wish I could believe that this will ultimately result in a conviction of Christie. Does anyone not think he’s guilty? The problem is proving it. That testimony, even if believed, does not establish his guilt of a criminal offense. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bridge-gate-trial-finally/766601/57 "2016-10-06T14:07:09Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > That testimony, even if believed, does not establish his guilt of a criminal offense. His people are facing criminal charges. Are you saying that his ORDERING those actions is not a criminal offense, or just KNOWING about the actions is not a criminal offense? Or what, exactly? ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bridge-gate-trial-finally/766601/58 "2016-10-06T14:25:35Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Sorry, but I’m with **Saint Cad** here Well, if there are _two_ people who need the modified version, I’ll go to the trouble of providing it: > [@](#): > > Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey knew that three of his top officials were involved in a plan to shut down lanes leading to the George Washington Bridge as it was happening and that _ **the closings were intended to punish a local mayor for declining to support him** _, federal prosecutors said on Monday. (Is there a way to get blink tags to work here? I really think this is a case that calls for them…) ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bridge-gate-trial-finally/766601/59 "2016-10-13T17:12:37Z")
[Christie one step closer to indictment.](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/chris-christie-summons-bridgegate_us_57ff9916e4b0162c043a41ee?section=&) Let’s hope the prosecutor has some guts. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2016, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bridge-gate-trial-finally/766601/60 "2016-10-21T20:12:33Z")
Bridget Kelly, who was famously thrown under the bus by Christie, reaches out from under there drag Christie along with her. [link](http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/10/21/498872049/bridgegate-trial-aide-says-christie-knew-of-traffic-snarling-plan-well-in-advanc) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bridge-gate-trial-finally/766601.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bridge-gate-trial-finally/766601.md?page=4)