# Bring out the gimp? (Pulp Fiction spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 6, 2006, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bring-out-the-gimp-pulp-fiction-spoilers/351533 "2006-04-06T05:03:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ac8455/32.png) [@Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bippy_the_Beardless)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2006, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bring-out-the-gimp-pulp-fiction-spoilers/351533/21 "2006-04-06T17:25:45Z")
Yeah some people get off on being wrapped in leather or rubber or anything like that. I doubt there are many organised rapists who sodamise anyone walking into there shop though. Too easy for them to get caught working from such a location especially in a big city where they are unlikely to be able to know that the person coming into the shop is an unattatched outsider. Hell they managed to catch a crime boss and a well known boxer in the film. Those are people whose dissapearence wouldn’t go unnoticed. ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2006, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bring-out-the-gimp-pulp-fiction-spoilers/351533/22 "2006-04-06T17:58:20Z")
> [@Silentgoldfish](#): > > Yes, it’s fiction. Why discuss it at all? :dubious: You can discuss what you like, but, by definition, fiction is made up. So asking whether it describes an actual event or not is missing the entire point. ---
**Author:** ![Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ac8455/32.png) [@Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bippy_the_Beardless)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2006, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bring-out-the-gimp-pulp-fiction-spoilers/351533/23 "2006-04-06T18:52:27Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > You can discuss what you like, but, by definition, fiction is made up. So asking whether it describes an actual event or not is missing the entire point. But we’re not discussing if Pulp fiction actually took place, but whether it is a realistic piece of fiction, and specifically if the situation discribed is in any way related to events which are not fictional. Since I have met people whoes idea of a good time is spending the evening wearing a leather body suit blinfolded and sitting on a couch throughout a fettish party (I think the sitting on a couch bit was going a bit soft, he aught to be have been kneeling at least) I am not inclined to believe the idea of someone who likes to live in a crate and to be susspended in a whole body leather suit all that implausable. Now the idea that Quentin Tarantino makes really good coffee on the other hand is obviously fictitious 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2006, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bring-out-the-gimp-pulp-fiction-spoilers/351533/24 "2006-04-06T19:02:09Z")
The question I have is, why didn’t Quentin Tarantino play the Jackrabbit Slim’s waiter part, and Steve Buscemi play the “Does my house have a dead nigger storage sign outside?” part? ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2006, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bring-out-the-gimp-pulp-fiction-spoilers/351533/25 "2006-04-06T19:05:54Z")
In answer to the OP: Well, there once was this guy name Jeffery Dahmer… ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2006, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bring-out-the-gimp-pulp-fiction-spoilers/351533/26 "2006-04-06T19:28:08Z")
[Moderator speaks, softly, friendly voice] **phungi** , I’ve de-linked your url. It’s not what we’d call a “workplace safe” link, and we don’t want anyone accidentally tripping over it. See [Forum Rules](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=343601) and especially note Rule #5. We’re not trying to censor, but we are trying to protect people from inadvertent embarrassment. Hence, one either uses two-clicks or a disabled link, so that anyone going to that site is doin’ so deliberately, and not accidentally. Clear? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2006, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bring-out-the-gimp-pulp-fiction-spoilers/351533/27 "2006-04-06T19:35:57Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > It’s a credited role. 🙂 Stephen Hibbert. Ahuh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh… Anyhoo, it’s kinda comical that this question gets asked during Evil Captor’s suspension. He’d be all over this one, normally. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2006, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bring-out-the-gimp-pulp-fiction-spoilers/351533/28 "2006-04-06T19:43:48Z")
> [@Bippy the Beardless](#): > > But we’re not discussing if Pulp fiction actually took place, but whether it is a realistic piece of fiction, and specifically if the situation discribed is in any way related to events which are not fictional. Since I have met people whoes idea of a good time is spending the evening wearing a leather body suit blinfolded and sitting on a couch throughout a fettish party (I think the sitting on a couch bit was going a bit soft, he aught to be have been kneeling at least) I am not inclined to believe the idea of someone who likes to live in a crate and to be susspended in a whole body leather suit all that implausable. Yeah, but that wasn’t all the OP asked. And you’re jumping to the conclusion that the gimp is a willing participant. The OP asked if there are really guys who kidnap other men and rape them as part of some sort of routine thing. The answer to that is yes, definitely. John Wayne Gacy did it, Jeffrey Dahmer did it. That’s just the two that come to mind, I’m sure there are many more. Neither of these men kept their victims for very long, though. Gacy typically killed his immediately after raping them and Dahmer’s victims typically only stayed around for a few days at the most. So I don’t know of any guys who, in addition to kidnapping other men to rape them also kept them as trained sex slaves ala a gimp. I do know that men have done that to women, though. Cameron Hooker kept a woman as his sex slave for seven years, much of that time she spent locked in a small sound-proofed box. ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2006, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bring-out-the-gimp-pulp-fiction-spoilers/351533/29 "2006-04-06T21:00:45Z")
> [@cbawlmer](#): > > > [@Sevastopol](#): > > > > While we are with Pulp Fiction, why does ‘the Wolf’ write “Dean Martin” in his notebook? My apology for the digression. > > I don’t think he does. However, “Dead Marvin” would look mighty similar when written. Does he write that? I know he writes something like: Jules = Black; Vincent = White; One body - no head. No, I checked. The screenplay is online. > [@](#): > > “Vincent (Dean Martin) Jimmie (house) Bonnie (9:30)” .So, _“Vincent (Dean Martin)”_, any ideas? ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2006, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bring-out-the-gimp-pulp-fiction-spoilers/351533/30 "2006-04-06T21:13:01Z")
I think more unrealistic and just plain stupid is how Tarantino likes to dress 1990s L.A. gangsters in matching black suits and narrow black ties. Jeez. ---
**Author:** ![cbawlmer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/71e660/32.png) [@cbawlmer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cbawlmer)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2006, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bring-out-the-gimp-pulp-fiction-spoilers/351533/31 "2006-04-06T21:21:45Z")
Look, the last damn thing Tarantino is trying to portray is realism. His movies, by and large, are a commentary on other movies. His most “realistic” film is _Jackie Brown_, and even that is a lower-key tribute to 1970s B-movies. His intention never was to portray gangsters “as they really are”. It’s more to say, “Don’t they look cool dressed like this? Aren’t movies super fun?” ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2006, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bring-out-the-gimp-pulp-fiction-spoilers/351533/32 "2006-04-06T21:22:28Z")
> [@guizot](#): > > I think more unrealistic and just plain stupid is how Tarantino likes to dress 1990s L.A. gangsters in matching black suits and narrow black ties. Jeez. I agree. And that ugly ‘straight black hair’ thing, what is with that? Uma Thurman, John Travolta, Christopher Walken and perhaps the French woman/Portuguese actress, ugh. ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2006, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bring-out-the-gimp-pulp-fiction-spoilers/351533/33 "2006-04-06T21:30:32Z")
> [@cbawlmer](#): > > “Don’t they look cool dressed like this? Aren’t movies super fun?” No they don’t, and you (Tarantino) are just trying too hard to be cool. ---
**Author:** ![cbawlmer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/71e660/32.png) [@cbawlmer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cbawlmer)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2006, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bring-out-the-gimp-pulp-fiction-spoilers/351533/34 "2006-04-06T21:41:52Z")
> [@guizot](#): > > No they don’t, and you (Tarantino) are just trying too hard to be cool. I think that’s probably a minority opinion. And if you don’t think movies are super fun, I can see why his movies might not appeal to you. ---
**Author:** ![bubastis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d07c76/32.png) [@bubastis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bubastis)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2006, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bring-out-the-gimp-pulp-fiction-spoilers/351533/35 "2006-04-06T22:57:37Z")
Heh. Just when Evil Captor got banned, heres one question he could answer in his sleep. Someone must still have his e-mail? On the subject of the Wolfman, I must ask… What the fuck addition was he? He showed up, Mr. Suave, from a party scene which might I add was taking place at half eight in the fucking morning (what was that? a funeral? Don’t say it was an all-night party dying down… everyone was wstill impecibly dressed) to help out with the body, and his sole expertise, his big help to the guys was, “Ok, wee nedd to mop up the blood, then put blankets over the seats. Then we need to wash you guys in broad fucking daylight. Pretty please. With sugar on top.” I mean, the least he could have done was wipe the car out. Seriously, what the fuck did he do that Marcellus couldnt have said over the phone? There’s a much better “Cleaner” in The Assassin, and if memory serves me correctly, its harvey Kietel too. Or, maybe Jean Reno. He’s a cleaner, and what does he do? Fuck me, he cleans. How about that. ---
**Author:** ![Ichbin\_Dubist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/51bf81/32.png) [@Ichbin\_Dubist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ichbin_Dubist)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2006, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bring-out-the-gimp-pulp-fiction-spoilers/351533/36 "2006-04-06T23:09:01Z")
> [@Thrillhouse15](#): > > …does stuff like this actually exist? I don’t know about the middle of Los Angeles, but San Francisco has a _street fair_ for folks like this. Just put “Folsom Street Fair” into Google Images and poke around. ---
**Author:** ![Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hey_It_s_That_Guy)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2006, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bring-out-the-gimp-pulp-fiction-spoilers/351533/37 "2006-04-06T23:10:14Z")
> [@bubastis](#): > > There’s a much better “Cleaner” in The Assassin, and if memory serves me correctly, its harvey Kietel too. Or, maybe Jean Reno. He’s a cleaner, and what does he do? Fuck me, he cleans. How about that. You’re thinking of _Point of No Return_, the American remake of _La Femme Nikita_. Keitel played “Victor the Cleaner,” but I forget if Reno played a similar role in the French original. I’m sure Tarantino was just making a reference to that movie and providing another “cool” role for his friend Keitel (easily the biggest star in his breakthrough film _Reservoir Dogs_). ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2006, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bring-out-the-gimp-pulp-fiction-spoilers/351533/38 "2006-04-06T23:24:35Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > You can discuss what you like, but, by definition, fiction is made up. So asking whether it describes an actual event or not is missing the entire point. How so? Fiction is often not entirely made up. One may ask how close a work of fiction is to actual fact. > [@](#): > > Moby Dick was based in part on an actual event, the wreck of the Whaleship > [@](#): > > Essex , and a white whale by the name of Mocha Dick. Of course, > [@](#): > > Moby Dick is not “about” a white whale, or about the wreck of a whaling ship, but it is still of interest to find see what Melville’s sources were. Tarantino’s work is of course fiction, the question of whether it is entirely made up, or whether it draws on actual events or people, or on previous works of fiction. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2006, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bring-out-the-gimp-pulp-fiction-spoilers/351533/39 "2006-04-06T23:26:46Z")
Fixed coding > [@RealityChuck](#): > > You can discuss what you like, but, by definition, fiction is made up. So asking whether it describes an actual event or not is missing the entire point. How so? Fiction is often not entirely made up. One may ask how close a work of fiction is to actual fact. \*Moby Dick \*was based in part on an actual event, the wreck of the Whaleship _Essex_ , and a white whale by the name of Mocha Dick. Of course, _Moby Dick_ is not “about” a white whale, or about the wreck of a whaling ship, but it is still of interest to find see what Melville’s sources were. Tarantino’s work is of course fiction, the question of whether it is entirely made up, or whether it draws on actual events or people, or on previous works of fiction. ---
**Author:** ![bubastis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d07c76/32.png) [@bubastis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bubastis)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2006, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bring-out-the-gimp-pulp-fiction-spoilers/351533/40 "2006-04-06T23:44:30Z")
> [@Big Bad Voodoo Lou](#): > > You’re thinking of _Point of No Return_, the American remake of _La Femme Nikita_. Keitel played “Victor the Cleaner,” but I forget if Reno played a similar role in the French original. I’m sure Tarantino was just making a reference to that movie and providing another “cool” role for his friend Keitel (easily the biggest star in his breakthrough film _Reservoir Dogs_). Thats the one, but it is called The Assassin over here. Gabriel byrne and Bridget Fonda, just to make sure we’re all singing from the one hymn sheet. And reno was in the original, yes, all making sense now. You’ll remember, those guys actually did “Clean” the apartment, under pressure, and they disposed of the body in a lovely ritual involving a bathtub and some acid. or I may have dreamt that. Anyway, they did a whole lot more than Mr. “lots of cream, lots of sugar”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bring-out-the-gimp-pulp-fiction-spoilers/351533.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bring-out-the-gimp-pulp-fiction-spoilers/351533.md?page=3)