# British MP shot, stabbed (update: died from wounds) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 16, 2016, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-mp-shot-stabbed-update-died-from-wounds/757533 "2016-06-16T15:21:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Mr.Kobayashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4af34b/32.png) [@Mr.Kobayashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Kobayashi)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-mp-shot-stabbed-update-died-from-wounds/757533/21 "2016-06-16T19:16:58Z")
> [@Declan](#): > > The Britain first thing has since been retracted, as well as its unconfirmed if she was the target, or an innocent bystander who intervened in something. > > Declan No it hasn’t. The [Independent](http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/jo-cox-shooting-man-who-shot-labour-mp-shouted-says-eyewitness-a7085656.html) also names a second witness on it; \*A second eyewitness Clarke Rothwell told the Examiner the man shouted “Britain First, Britain First”. She was reportedly within yards of the attack in Birstall. He added: “I looked round and there was a guy standing over a woman on the floor. He seemed to have what looked like an old gun, like a musket, in his hand and he shot her again in the middle. He then seemed to shoot a third time, towards her head or face.\* Dunno what you’re talking about “unconfirmed if she was the target”, the nutjob shot the poor woman three times then stabbed her a bunch of times, how in the hell is that “unconfirmed”. ---
**Author:** ![Tzigone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Tzigone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tzigone)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-mp-shot-stabbed-update-died-from-wounds/757533/22 "2016-06-16T19:17:34Z")
> [@](#): > > The Britain first thing has since been retracted, as well as its unconfirmed if she was the target, or an innocent bystander who intervened in something. Link to retraction, please? I’ve read some reported hearing it and some reported not hearing it, but not a retraction, and I’d be interested. Still, it does come down to the “don’t report until you have a solid grasp on things” mentality that I wish news outlets had, but they don’t. And wouldn’t keep viewers/readers if they did - as long as some other agency did report. But seriously, when you look back six months later on stories that broke fairly real-time, the amount misinformation is staggering. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Tildrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e95f7d/32.png) [@Tom\_Tildrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Tildrum)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-mp-shot-stabbed-update-died-from-wounds/757533/23 "2016-06-16T19:22:58Z")
The BBC website didn’t seem to mention the “Britain First” allegation, so they may not consider it to have been confirmed yet. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-mp-shot-stabbed-update-died-from-wounds/757533/24 "2016-06-16T19:24:09Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > And the American disease reaches England. > > Sorry, chaps. Many of us don’t mean to rambo-ize the whole world. I’m not sure why we have to give a reminder in every breaking news thread. At this point I won’t give a warning but it’s a close thing at this point. Let me remind you and everyone about the rule once more. Do not hijack or derail the thread. [QUOTE=Ed Zotti] No political/religious jabs in breaking news threads in MPSIMS This is not a new rule but rather codifies the existing informal guidelines. MPSIMS threads are often started to call attention to breaking news stories. Many posters value these threads because they offer new information and multiple cites about the event in one place. Often the information is rapidly changing and these threads can move fast. One of the advantages of the SDMB is that with many posters from around the world we often have a poster local to the situation or even involved who can give unique insights. Unfortunately, since these types of threads commonly involve hot-button issues, they often fall prey to hijacks and rants about political, religious or other emotionally charged subjects. MPSIMS is not the place for such comments, which detract from the usefulness of breaking-news threads. If you wish to use a current event as a springboard for a commentary about a hot-button issue, please post it in Great Debates or the Pit. You may post a link to your GD or Pit post in MPSIMS, but don’t use that as an excuse to rehash your argument. Posters starting threads about breaking news stories may wish to identify them with “breaking news” or similar in the title. However, that’s not required. All posters are reminded to be considerate of other users and continue to observe the above rule. Any violation will be strictly moderated. [/QUOTE] ETA: I will update the thread title to reflect the death of MP Cox. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-mp-shot-stabbed-update-died-from-wounds/757533/25 "2016-06-16T19:39:11Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Can someone clarify what a British MP is? > > In US terms, was she a member of the state legislature or the national one? > > Thanks. Just to add, the UK doesn’t really have a state-level equivalent in England. There is the UK parliament, but no England-wide or regional legislating body as in Scotland or (to a much more limited degree) Wales. As with Washington DC, the UK Parliament also governs England-and-Wales as a region (or just England for devolved remits). Local government is administered by the County Council. Remember that the population of the entire UK is around the same as California + Texas and a bit smaller than Michigan in square miles, or less than two Canadas by population and a bit less than two Nova Scotias by area. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-mp-shot-stabbed-update-died-from-wounds/757533/26 "2016-06-16T20:18:41Z")
nm ---
**Author:** ![nicole1912](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9de0a6/32.png) [@nicole1912](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nicole1912)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-mp-shot-stabbed-update-died-from-wounds/757533/27 "2016-06-16T20:19:17Z")
I didn’t know Jo Cox, but the more I read about her this evening, the more I wish I had; she sounds like she was an exceptional person, and we need all the exceptional people we can get. Her friends and, especially, her family must be reeling - no one expects this kind of thing to happen to MPs. The guy who did it sounds like he might have been ill - I think it would be a mistake to ascribe this to Britain First, or racism more generally, or any other ideology. Although I did think [this article](http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/a-day-of-infamy/) was well-written and made a good point. I hope he gets proper treatment. Her [husband’s statement](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClFpaJlXEAECf5S.jpg) is lovely, and heartbreaking. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Kobayashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4af34b/32.png) [@Mr.Kobayashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Kobayashi)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-mp-shot-stabbed-update-died-from-wounds/757533/28 "2016-06-16T21:47:25Z")
[BBC interviews eyewitness](http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36552367) who says gunman shouted “Britain First” or “Put Britain First”. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-mp-shot-stabbed-update-died-from-wounds/757533/29 "2016-06-16T22:01:48Z")
> [@nicole1912](#): > > The guy who did it sounds like he might have been ill - I think it would be a mistake to ascribe this to Britain First, or racism more generally, or any other ideology. Of course he was ill. It’s not a rational political move. That doesn’t mean that his illness, his impulses, were _not_ shaped by racism, and triggered by Brexit rhetoric. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-mp-shot-stabbed-update-died-from-wounds/757533/30 "2016-06-16T22:24:41Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > National. Like a Congresswoman, but if the Senate wasn’t nearly as powerful. Thank you for clarifying it for me. There’s been so much senseless violence in just the past few days. I almost don’t want to turn on the tv. My sympathies are with the Cox family. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-mp-shot-stabbed-update-died-from-wounds/757533/31 "2016-06-16T22:26:33Z")
> [@Stanislaus](#): > > This in the midst of a campaign which has seen some leading lights go out of their way to encourage fear and hatred of non-natives. It’s more accurate to say that one side are trying to portray the other side as encouraging fear and hatred of non-natives. > [@](#): > > It’s too early to say for sure, but the implications are sickening. ‘Britain First’ is a loony-right racist political party. I won’t taint the SDMB by providing a link. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-mp-shot-stabbed-update-died-from-wounds/757533/32 "2016-06-16T22:37:33Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > It’s more accurate to say that one side are trying to portray the other side as encouraging fear and hatred of non-natives. That’s a more generous interpretation of the current campaigns than most objective people would venture. Did you see Nigel’s new poster campaign, unveiled this morning? This is a Daily Mail link, for balance and shit > **[Farage branded 'fundamentally racist' after unveiling Ukip poster](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3644716/Nigel-Farage-racism-storm-Brexit-poster-showing-thousands-male-refugees-warning-country-breaking-point.html)** > > Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon said his latest poster (pictured) is 'disgusting' while Tory Treasury minister Harriet Baldwin hit out at the Ukip leader for 'vile xenophobia'. The dog whistle is all too suddenly audible to all. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-mp-shot-stabbed-update-died-from-wounds/757533/33 "2016-06-16T22:54:33Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > Of course he was ill. It’s not a rational political move. That doesn’t mean that his illness, his impulses, were _not_ shaped by racism, and triggered by Brexit rhetoric. It doesn’t mean the lack the mental health support and resources he would have had but for … etc, etc. So lets just wait and see. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2016, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-mp-shot-stabbed-update-died-from-wounds/757533/34 "2016-06-17T01:16:12Z")
> [@Stanislaus](#): > > This in the midst of a campaign which has seen some leading lights go out of their way to encourage fear and hatred of non-natives. How do those fear mongers square that with the fact that the royal family also immigrated to the isle? ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2016, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-mp-shot-stabbed-update-died-from-wounds/757533/35 "2016-06-17T02:21:06Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > How do those fear mongers square that with the fact that the royal family also immigrated to the isle? Not really “immigrants” I think. All those royals of Europe are intricately related, and the last king/queen of England who wasn’t born in the isles was George II, over 230 years ago. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2016, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-mp-shot-stabbed-update-died-from-wounds/757533/36 "2016-06-17T02:36:34Z")
> [@Baker](#): > > Not really “immigrants” I think. All those royals of Europe are intricately related, and the last king/queen of England who wasn’t born in the isles was George II, over 230 years ago. And he was ⅛ British—his great-grandmother was a Scot from Scotland. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2016, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-mp-shot-stabbed-update-died-from-wounds/757533/37 "2016-06-17T02:42:43Z")
Will this have any effect on the Brexit vote? ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2016, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-mp-shot-stabbed-update-died-from-wounds/757533/38 "2016-06-17T03:06:12Z")
> [@nicole1912](#): > > The guy who did it sounds like he might have been ill - I think it would be a mistake to ascribe this to Britain First, or racism more generally, or any other ideology. My WAG theory is that the general hateful xenophobic culture that has pervaded the whole world lately is influencing the easily-swayed, including the mentally ill. There’s no one person or group to blame, it’s just a pervasive miasma. ---
**Author:** ![TwoCarrotSnowman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/twocarrotsnowman/32/15879_2.png) [@TwoCarrotSnowman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwoCarrotSnowman)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2016, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-mp-shot-stabbed-update-died-from-wounds/757533/39 "2016-06-17T07:26:27Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Will this have any effect on the Brexit vote? The immediate effect is that both the Leave and Remain campaigns have said they’re going to suspend campaigning for a day as a mark of respect. I’m not sure what that means in practical terms, or when the day is said to be up, but I assume things will get back to normal tomorrow. In the longer term, my gut feel is that this shocking event won’t change anyone’s position. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2016, 7:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-mp-shot-stabbed-update-died-from-wounds/757533/40 "2016-06-17T07:48:06Z")
> [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > That’s a more generous interpretation of the current campaigns than most objective people would venture Actually, no it isn’t. The Leavers want to control immigration, not to stop it. It’s a point easily twisted. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-mp-shot-stabbed-update-died-from-wounds/757533.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-mp-shot-stabbed-update-died-from-wounds/757533.md?page=3)