# British National Party BNP membership list leaked! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 18, 2008, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-national-party-bnp-membership-list-leaked/473334 "2008-11-18T19:23:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Nancarrow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c37758/32.png) [@Nancarrow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nancarrow)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2008, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-national-party-bnp-membership-list-leaked/473334/41 "2008-11-19T16:24:51Z")
> [@villa](#): > > I think… I hope… you are being whooshed here. Now that I read **Aquila Be** ’s post a second time, _with coffee_, I agree. Sorry about that **AB**. Perhaps **casdave** will benefit from my post. :o ---
**Author:** ![GorillaMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/50afbb/32.png) [@GorillaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GorillaMan)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2008, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-national-party-bnp-membership-list-leaked/473334/42 "2008-11-19T16:26:35Z")
> [@Wallenstein](#): > > Imagine you are an Asian father. You send your kids to a state school to be educated by a teacher who is a member of the BNP. Your children’s education will be in the hands of a person who wants to send your kids “back” to Pakistan. No matter than your children are 3rd generation Briton, the policy is “send 'em back”. > > Or imagine your afro-caribbean girlfriend is robbed on a night out; the policeman to whom you report the crime does not consider your girlfriend to be a legitimate citizen of the UK purely because she is black, and thinks she should be sent back to St Lucia (a place none of her family have lived since her great-grandparents emigrated). The BNP’s headline policy is voluntary repatriation, saving forced deportation for ‘criminal and illegal immigrants’. Their website is overloaded at the moment, so I can’t find anything more, but I don’t think you’ll find them questioning citizenship purely on the basis of skin colour. That’s _too_ obviously racist for them to claim to be a mainstream political party, and they know it. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2008, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-national-party-bnp-membership-list-leaked/473334/43 "2008-11-19T16:38:45Z")
> [@tagos](#): > > Evil-doers fear the light. Sorry to Godwinize this discussion, but would that include Annelies and Margot Frank? ---
**Author:** ![Wallenstein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b5a626/32.png) [@Wallenstein](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wallenstein)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2008, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-national-party-bnp-membership-list-leaked/473334/44 "2008-11-19T16:50:04Z")
> [@GorillaMan](#): > > The BNP’s headline policy is voluntary repatriation, saving forced deportation for ‘criminal and illegal immigrants’. Their website is overloaded at the moment, so I can’t find anything more, but I don’t think you’ll find them questioning citizenship purely on the basis of skin colour. That’s _too_ obviously racist for them to claim to be a mainstream political party, and they know it. This is from their membership requirements: > [@](#): > > SECTION 2: MEMBERSHIP > > 1. The British National Party represents the collective National, Environmental, Political, Racial, Folkish, Social, Cultural, Religious and Economic interests of the indigenous Anglo-Saxon, Celtic and Norse folk communities of Britain and those we regard as closely related and ethnically assimilated or assimilable aboriginal members of the European race also resident in Britain. Membership of the BNP is strictly defined within the terms of, and our members also self define themselves within, the legal ambit of a defined ‘racial group’ this being ‘Indigenous Caucasian’ and defined ‘ethnic groups’ emanating from that Race as specified in law in the House of Lords case of Mandla V Dowell Lee (1983) 1 ALL ER 1062, HL. > > 2. The indigenous British ethnic groups deriving from the class of ‘Indigenous Caucasian’ consist of members of: i) The Anglo-Saxon Folk Community; ii) The Celtic Scottish Folk Community; iii) The Scots-Northern Irish Folk Community; iv) The Celtic Welsh Folk Community; v) The Celtic Irish Folk Community; vi) The Celtic Cornish Folk Community; vii) The Anglo-Saxon-Celtic Folk Community; viii) The Celtic-Norse Folk Community; ix) The Anglo-Saxon-Norse Folk Community; x) The Anglo-Saxon-Indigenous European Folk Community; xi) Members of these ethnic groups who reside either within or outside Europe but ethnically derive from them. > > 3. Membership of the party shall be open only to those who are 16 years of age or over and whose ethnic origin is listed within Sub-section 2 Obviously that only applies to party membership, but it don’t think it’s unfair to extrapolate from that to see how the BNP would approach governing the nation (which is their aim, after all). The terminology is pretty clear about the status of “non-indigenous Brits”, and I don’t think it’s an unreasonable assumption that under a BNP government black, asian, jewish Britons would not be afforded the same citizen’s rights as whites. Even the idea of “voluntary repatriation” becomes meaningless when speaking about 2nd, 3rd and 4th generation immigrants, all of whom would fail to meet BNP membership criteria, but who are unlikely to have much connection to their purported “homeland” anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Pushkin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ee59a6/32.png) [@Pushkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pushkin)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2008, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-national-party-bnp-membership-list-leaked/473334/45 "2008-11-19T16:57:21Z")
No prizes for guessing [what part of the UK](http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7737612.stm) would host those seemingly most proud of their membership; > [@](#): > > Another BNP member whose details were leaked was Sandy Baxter, a former police officer who lives in Portstewart. > > “I’m in a party I firmly believe in and why should I not hold my head high like anyone else,” he said. The Republic of Ireland has members too for some unfathomable reason. ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2008, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-national-party-bnp-membership-list-leaked/473334/46 "2008-11-19T17:06:06Z")
> [@Pushkin](#): > > The Republic of Ireland has members too for some unfathomable reason. From reading Ray Hill’s book, there were always clashes between British far right groups and those from Europe during their get togethers when the British dickheads discovered their European brothers’ definition of nationalism included support for the IRA. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2008, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-national-party-bnp-membership-list-leaked/473334/47 "2008-11-19T17:21:00Z")
> [@Pushkin](#): > > No prizes for guessing [what part of the UK](http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7737612.stm) would host those seemingly most proud of their membership; 39 out of 10,000 names doesn’t seem like much. > [@Pushkin](#): > > The Republic of Ireland has members too for some unfathomable reason. They like the newsletter? ---
**Author:** ![An\_Gadai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@An\_Gadai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Gadai)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2008, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-national-party-bnp-membership-list-leaked/473334/48 "2008-11-19T17:28:53Z")
I walk by one of them’s house every day. I just feel sorry for him to be honest. Maybe I should call up to his house and call him a race traitor, that oughta confuse the hell out of him. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2008, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-national-party-bnp-membership-list-leaked/473334/49 "2008-11-19T20:58:11Z")
I hold the BNP’s racist views in utter contempt, but I respect their right to hold those views. After all, if you’re going to ban the views of the BNP, why not ban the views of the Labour Party? Let’s bring in the Thought Police and get rid of anyone who isn’t in lockstep with the Prime Minister. Sheesh. More seriously, having parties with which we disagree - however odious we may think them to be - out in the open forces us to address the issues they raise; for if we can’t address them, maybe they have a point after all? Their views are idiotic and hateful, but it’s their right to hold those views, and they should not suffer for so doing. Should they act on those views, however… I don’t buy the abuse of authority argument: the police and courts still enforce laws with which they personally disagree. BTW the ‘allowable races’ don’t include the Normans (Franco-Norse), who’ve only been here since 1066, nor do they include the Greeks - namely our Royal Family. And what of those of Roman descent? ---
**Author:** ![GorillaMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/50afbb/32.png) [@GorillaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GorillaMan)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2008, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-national-party-bnp-membership-list-leaked/473334/50 "2008-11-19T21:04:48Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > BTW the ‘allowable races’ don’t include the Normans (Franco-Norse), who’ve only been here since 1066, nor do they include the Greeks - namely our Royal Family. And what of those of Roman descent? Thankfully, it really is this easy to point out how their racial distinctions are nothing more than Aryanism dressed up as science. > [@Pushkin](#): > > The Republic of Ireland has members too for some unfathomable reason. The list only tells us where they currently live, not their nationality (legal or perceived). ---
**Author:** ![casdave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c6cbf5/32.png) [@casdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/casdave)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2008, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-national-party-bnp-membership-list-leaked/473334/51 "2008-11-19T21:07:17Z")
The right to vote in privacy is obviously vital to democracy, and I cannot imagine why you believe that I think otherwise, since this was not stated anywhere in my post. I really don’t need a lesson in poltical democracy. However, BNP in public services, or rather in certain public services is a discplinary matter, for pretty obvious reasons. BNP, and their closely related groups, such as Stromfront ,Combat 88 etc are cowards, they commit acts if intimidation, violence under the cloak of anonymity. Criminals are deterred by the prospect of being caught, not of the prospect of being put in prison or some other punishment, most studies in criminilogy conclude this. If you wish to be racist, then you should be prepared to stand up and justify it, and there are a number of those who will do just that. I don’t like them, but they have a right to be heard. We are not talking of some opressed minority here, in fact we are talking about the opressors themselves, oppressors who are frightened by being examined too closely. These are the ones who would take away democracy and rights from others, maybe now they understand how it feels to come under scrutiny, perhaps now they will have some idea what it feels like to be an Asian shop owner having the business attacked by anonymous thugs. Two things that the BNP despises, and would crush at a moments notice, Trade Unionists and those from ethnic minorities, and I am in both of those groups. Once you have endured their “protected by a face mask” abuse, you start to wonder about legitimate rights to free speech, which would come as no surprise free speech brings responsibility. I can cope with those who are open about their affiliations, I support their right to make public their statements, what I do not support is the right to deny the same rights to everyone from under a veil of anonymity. ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2008, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-national-party-bnp-membership-list-leaked/473334/52 "2008-11-19T21:15:21Z")
**casdave** - I think you mean Combat 18. And I agree with a lot of what you are saying. I want them to feel that fear as well, but not when it is the government causing it. I had a hell of a lot of sympathy with the AFA. But I just don’t trust the government. It isn’t the BNP they have traditionally gone after, it was pacifists, and union members, and gays, and many other groups they didn’t like… By all means lets make the BNP feel uncomfortable. But lets not give the government increased powers to look into the private/political lives of those of whom they do not approve in order to do it. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2008, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-national-party-bnp-membership-list-leaked/473334/53 "2008-11-19T21:37:21Z")
Are we sure this wasn’t just a list of _Daily Mail_ subscribers? ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2008, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-national-party-bnp-membership-list-leaked/473334/54 "2008-11-19T21:46:54Z")
There’s not a single really high profile celebrity, minister or MP on the list? I wonder if they laundered their list before leaking? ---
**Author:** ![GorillaMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/50afbb/32.png) [@GorillaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GorillaMan)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2008, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-national-party-bnp-membership-list-leaked/473334/55 "2008-11-19T22:02:44Z")
> [@Larry\_Mudd](#): > > Are we sure this wasn’t just a list of _Daily Mail_ subscribers? There’s a difference? 🙂 > [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > There’s not a single really high profile celebrity, minister or MP on the list? > > I wonder if they laundered their list before leaking? Minister or MP? That’d be _very_ surprising!!! As for high profile celebrities, I suspect that the successful ones mostly have enough awareness of the fickle nature of public image not to put things into such a concrete form. By all means be photographed shaking hands with the PM or visiting Number 10, but don’t sign up for Labour Party membership. ---
**Author:** ![Carl\_Corey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Carl\_Corey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carl_Corey)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2008, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-national-party-bnp-membership-list-leaked/473334/56 "2008-11-19T22:02:56Z")
[QUOTE=Quartz] BTW the ‘allowable races’ don’t include the Normans (Franco-Norse), who’ve only been here since 1066, nor do they include the Greeks - namely our Royal Family. And what of those of Roman descent? [/QUOTE] Yeah! What have the Romans ever done for us? ---
**Author:** ![WF\_Tomba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/d9b06d/32.png) [@WF\_Tomba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WF_Tomba)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2008, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-national-party-bnp-membership-list-leaked/473334/57 "2008-11-19T22:09:51Z")
By the way, how long has the secret ballot been the norm in Britain? I’m wondering because earlier this year there was an interesting article in _The New Yorker_ that pointed out that secret voting was not at all the norm here in the States in the early 1800s. In fact, it apparently took a long time to become an accepted practice. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-national-party-bnp-membership-list-leaked/473334/58 "2008-11-20T02:32:49Z")
> [@Wallenstein](#): > > And you feel qualified to make that decision on behalf of the Reader? :dubious: Their current actions seem to be on my side. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-national-party-bnp-membership-list-leaked/473334/59 "2008-11-20T02:52:53Z")
“Folk Community”? Hey, I love folk music! Sign me up for that! What do you mean, it isn’t that sort of community? In all seriousness, the BNP sounds like a bunch of turds, but that’s their choice and (from a US-centric point of view) their right. Forbidding them public service smacks of the anti-Catholic laws that used to be on the books in England, and the membership list leak and subsequent hoorah of the “are you now or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party” and blacklists of recent, inglorious memory here in the USA. The whole thing just leaves me shaking my head. What is _with_ people, anyway? ---
**Author:** ![GorillaMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/50afbb/32.png) [@GorillaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GorillaMan)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-national-party-bnp-membership-list-leaked/473334/60 "2008-11-20T08:36:44Z")
> [@WF\_Tomba](#): > > By the way, how long has the secret ballot been the norm in Britain? I’m wondering because earlier this year there was an interesting article in _The New Yorker_ that pointed out that secret voting was not at all the norm here in the States in the early 1800s. In fact, it apparently took a long time to become an accepted practice. Similar story and timeline in Britain. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-national-party-bnp-membership-list-leaked/473334.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-national-party-bnp-membership-list-leaked/473334.md?page=4)