# British supremacist nonsense **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 13, 2012, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-supremacist-nonsense/624982 "2012-06-13T02:36:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Cicero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cicero/32/3594_2.png) [@Cicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cicero)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-supremacist-nonsense/624982/81 "2012-06-14T02:21:23Z")
> [@Syme](#): > > you mean SA is there to prevent the eastern states to fall into the big holes left by the overly taxed mining companies ? :rolleyes: Red herring time is it? ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-supremacist-nonsense/624982/82 "2012-06-14T02:56:18Z")
You just need more data. I’m part English, but not at all _British_, egads! Blue eyes, brownish hair really, it’d be a stretch to call it blond, and I wear xl sportswear. Really! I tend to think all this would have been a bigger advantage in the Napoleonic age, before the wide application of the steam engine. Nowadays we can burn fuel for work; back then somebody had to do actual work. Anyway, being the Napoleonic age obviously the dominant figure was remarkably _small_ and it is difficult to picture him as an Aryan at all. Hmmm… long ago there was a remarkably large Barbarian soldier who became so popular he wound up Caesar, maybe even Augustus, but in any case it seems the exception that someone’s special strength or size really drives their ascent to the top. Nor their extreme whiteness. Brits were quite deluded for quite a long time. But it isn’t fair to make such broad generalizations, as 30+% of them aren’t even like that. btw here in the US I am not aware of any special animus toward the Lebanese. I guess they could come across as ‘foreigners’, which doesn’t wash too well in a lot of places, but I can’t think of anything specific. I didn’t even know what a ‘wog’ was before I read this thread. In fact I am still not sure what that means. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-supremacist-nonsense/624982/83 "2012-06-14T03:03:50Z")
> [@Syme](#): > > I don’t assume you are an idiot. You don’t know me yet. Give it time. FTR, I didn’t say you were an idiot, but that texting abbreviations might lead others to think you are. OTOH, classic internet abbreviations are acceptable. Smilies, not so much. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![sisu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@sisu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sisu)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-supremacist-nonsense/624982/84 "2012-06-14T03:33:32Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > Cite? My understanding is that notwithstanding the apologetic folk belief that the transported convicts were sent down for trivial crimes, in fact they tended to be the more serious criminals. When you start to look at who came here you start to see a sense of Australia’s identity. They may have been a bunch of rogues but better them than a bunch Puritans! A lot of orphans were also sent here, they often had to nick stuff just to survive. The following is the list of crimes that was punishable by transportation to Australia, anything more serious such as murder, rape, impersonating an Egyptian would have lead to death. 1.) All theft above the value of one shilling. 2.) Thefts under the value one shilling. 3.) Receiving stolen goods, jewels and plate. 4.) Stealing lead, iron or copper. 5.) Stealing ore from black lead mines. 6.) Stealing from furnished lodgings. 7.) Setting fire to underwood. 8.) Stealing letters. 9.) Assault with intent to rob. 10.) Stealing fish from a pond or river. 11.) Stealing roots, trees or plants. 12.) Bigamy. 13.) Assaulting, cutting or burning clothes. 14.) Counterfeiting the copper coin. 15.) Clandestine marriage. 16.) Stealing a shroud from a grave. 17.) Watermen carrying too many passengers on the Thames , if any drowned. 18.) Incorrigible rogues who broke out of prison and persons reprieved from capital punishment. 19.) Embeuling naval stores. A lot of Irish Catholics were sent here because they looked a bit suss, political reformers were transported to trying to form unions, suggesting politicians get paid and promoting the French revolutionary ideals of liberty, equality and fraternity. In 1837, a group of Canadian rebels staged an uprising to achieve reform. 29 were executed and 149 were transported to Australia. ---
**Author:** ![sisu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@sisu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sisu)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-supremacist-nonsense/624982/85 "2012-06-14T04:04:41Z")
Sorry ya gotta laugh. 1.) All theft above the value of one shilling. 2.) Thefts under the value one shilling. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-supremacist-nonsense/624982/86 "2012-06-14T04:13:24Z")
I have read a study recently (which I’m struggling to find) which nonetheless concluded that while the above (well circulated) list is of crimes for which someone _could_ be transported, the people actually transported tended to be serious and/or habitual offenders. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-supremacist-nonsense/624982/87 "2012-06-14T04:31:05Z")
If it’s any comfort, the American colonies got England’s refuse until that unpleasantness in 1775-83. They just blended in better because there was so much other Eurotrash that actually _wanted_ to come here. That term is not intended to be offensive. Some of my closest ancestors were Eurotrash, on the run from fathers, creditors, and conscription. But they were not fucking convicts! By the way, why so many Aussies posting this late at night? You’d think is was daytime where they are. ---
**Author:** ![Syme](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@Syme](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syme)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-supremacist-nonsense/624982/88 "2012-06-14T06:37:10Z")
One glance at the huge numbers of US born and bred convicts shows that if any nation needs now to find far flung colonies to house them is the USA. I gather that you consider an stigma to have a convict as ancestor. There are must be millions of Americans who are the offspring of convicts more than all the convicts ever shipped to Australia. so which nation is a nation of convicts ? ---
**Author:** ![Syme](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@Syme](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syme)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-supremacist-nonsense/624982/89 "2012-06-14T06:38:11Z")
> [@Cicero](#): > > How did this board ever survive without your wit? on sarcasm I presume :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![sisu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@sisu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sisu)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-supremacist-nonsense/624982/90 "2012-06-14T06:50:10Z")
> [@Syme](#): > > One glance at the huge numbers of US born and bred convicts shows that if any nation needs now to find far flung colonies to house them is the USA. > > I gather that you consider an stigma to have a convict as ancestor. There are must be millions of Americans who are the offspring of convicts more than all the convicts ever shipped to Australia. > > so which nation is a nation of convicts ? It has become fashionable to claim convict ancestry. If you look at our national icons one is Ned Kelly [a bush-ranger] and another one is our national song [not national anthem] Waltzing Matilda, a song about a sheep thief who kills himself! Australia received 160,000 convicts, USA received 50,000 so well there ya go. Yes the numbers for the US are a bit rubbery but even so. OH and about 80% were sent here for larceny, pinching stuff so hardly big time crims. But today with the sheer number of convicts, the award goes to the USA. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-supremacist-nonsense/624982/91 "2012-06-14T07:01:08Z")
> [@Syme](#): > > I gather that you consider an stigma to have a convict as ancestor. There are must be millions of Americans who are the offspring of convicts more than all the convicts ever shipped to Australia. May I ask who this was directed at? ---
**Author:** ![Syme](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@Syme](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syme)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-supremacist-nonsense/624982/92 "2012-06-14T07:39:43Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > May I ask who this was directed at? dropzone who btw xls at giving friendly advice on spelling LOL 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Syme](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@Syme](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syme)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-supremacist-nonsense/624982/93 "2012-06-14T07:43:56Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > By the way, why so many Aussies posting this late at night? You’d think is was daytime where they are. we only post during daytime at work. We use the nightime for our private pursuits ---
**Author:** ![Cicero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cicero/32/3594_2.png) [@Cicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cicero)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 7:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-supremacist-nonsense/624982/94 "2012-06-14T07:58:10Z")
If you peruse the Convict records that are available, one of the most common reasons for transport was burglary. The records themselves are often incomplete, and the literacy level is often not great but you can get a feel for the background of the people. Many crimes were not punishable by transportation (prostitution is one, murder is another). And there were far more people arriving after the various gold rushes as migrants rather than as convicts. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 8:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-supremacist-nonsense/624982/95 "2012-06-14T08:01:39Z")
> [@Syme](#): > > dropzone who btw xls at giving friendly advice on spelling LOL 🙂 Re the convict quip, I have a hunch, just a _hunch_ though, that **dropzone** might have been having a lend of ya’ mate. Like, making a funny? Like, I don’t really think he feels that having a distant convict in the family is all that much of a bad thing. Y’know, like? Oh, and re the lolspeak (or whatever you young’uns call it nowadays), you might want to take his advice onboard. The SDMB is a little different to most messageboards: regardless of what we post, our personas are judged on the quality of our ‘speech’ so to speak. You’ll fit in much better if you a) grow a sense of humour, and b) polish up on yer’ grammar and shit. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Syme](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@Syme](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syme)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-supremacist-nonsense/624982/96 "2012-06-14T10:46:06Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > Re the convict quip, I have a hunch, just a _hunch_ though, that **dropzone** might have been having a lend of ya’ mate. Like, making a funny? Like, I don’t really think he feels that having a distant convict in the family is all that much of a bad thing. Y’know, like? > > Oh, and re the lolspeak (or whatever you young’uns call it nowadays), you might want to take his advice onboard. The SDMB is a little different to most messageboards: regardless of what we post, our personas are judged on the quality of our ‘speech’ so to speak. > > You’ll fit in much better if you a) grow a sense of humour, and b) polish up on yer’ grammar and shit. > > 😛 I don’t care much about ‘fitting’ or grammar or syntax or style or whatever you think of me. I just drop in forums post for a while until I get bored and then leave. No hard feelings, no insults. If you don’t like my ‘persona’, if you don’t think I ‘fit’ in here, simply ignore me as I ignore you.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Syme](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@Syme](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syme)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-supremacist-nonsense/624982/97 "2012-06-14T10:48:13Z")
> [@sisu](#): > > It has become fashionable to claim convict ancestry. If you look at our national icons one is Ned Kelly [a bush-ranger] and another one is our national song [not national anthem] Waltzing Matilda, a song about a sheep thief who kills himself! > > Australia received 160,000 convicts, USA received 50,000 so well there ya go. Yes the numbers for the US are a bit rubbery but even so. > > OH and about 80% were sent here for larceny, pinching stuff so hardly big time crims. > > But today with the sheer number of convicts, the award goes to the USA. I don’t know why would I be bothered if one my ancestors was a convict? I would be worried if I were a convict. ---
**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-supremacist-nonsense/624982/98 "2012-06-14T11:54:33Z")
> [@Filbert](#): > > British Supremicism my arse- when I went to Australia a few years back, I got the piss taken out of me for being a bloody whinging Pom… > Australians insult _everyone_, it’s sort of a national hobby. I’m a New Zealander who _sounds_ like a Pom. The sort of flak I cop is usually associated with WWII air raids on Berlin. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Cicero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cicero/32/3594_2.png) [@Cicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cicero)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-supremacist-nonsense/624982/99 "2012-06-14T12:00:19Z")
> [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > I’m a New Zealander who _sounds_ like a Pom. The sort of flak I cop is usually associated with WWII air raids on Berlin. 😃 And to think today I was saying you were one of the better Australians on the board and you turn out to be a Kiwi! I feel dirty- I’ll need to go and have a shower 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Sierra\_Indigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@Sierra\_Indigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sierra_Indigo)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-supremacist-nonsense/624982/100 "2012-06-14T12:10:01Z")
> [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > I’m a New Zealander who _sounds_ like a Pom. The sort of flak I cop is usually associated with WWII air raids on Berlin. 😃 HE’S AN IMPOSTER, GET HIM! hehe [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-supremacist-nonsense/624982.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-supremacist-nonsense/624982.md?page=6)