# British Victorian Mysteries **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 4, 2018, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-victorian-mysteries/817302 "2018-07-04T22:11:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2018, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-victorian-mysteries/817302/1 "2018-07-04T22:11:05Z")
I would like some suggestions for reading: British Victorian Mysteries, preferably with the Constabulary solving them, not private agents. London is the preferred setting. And even if not Victorian, Constable mysteries set in the City, aka the Square mile. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2018, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-victorian-mysteries/817302/2 "2018-07-04T22:19:50Z")
Well, the _Murdoch Mysteries_ novels by Maureen Jennings are _near_ London. London, Ontario, that is. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2018, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-victorian-mysteries/817302/3 "2018-07-04T23:52:58Z")
Of course I’d recommend the Sherlock Holmes stories, but he’s not on the official police force. I’ve heard good things about the Sergeant Cribb novels, but haven’t read any of them: [Peter Lovesey - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Lovesey#Sergeant_Cribb_novels) ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2018, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-victorian-mysteries/817302/4 "2018-07-05T00:27:52Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Of course I’d recommend the Sherlock Holmes stories, but he’s not on the official police force. I’ve heard good things about the Sergeant Cribb novels, but haven’t read any of them: [Peter Lovesey - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Lovesey#Sergeant_Cribb_novels) Thanks, I bookmarked those on my wish list. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2018, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-victorian-mysteries/817302/5 "2018-07-05T12:32:29Z")
There’s the[Blackstone series](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Lambert_(author)#Blackstone_novels_(as_Richard_Falkirk))by Derek Lambert (writing as Richard Falkirk) Blackstone’s a Bow Street Runner, more towards their end, just before the Met was established. It’s Georgian/Regency not Victorian, but sometimes do [concern Victoria](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1804694.Blackstone). There was a recent [reprint](https://www.amazon.com/Blackstone-Richard-Falkirk/dp/1786080109). ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2018, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-victorian-mysteries/817302/6 "2018-07-05T12:41:37Z")
There’s also the [Thomas Pitt](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cater_Street_Hangman) series by Anne Perry (she of _Heavenly Creatures_ murder infamy) I should confess I haven’t read either series, they just came up in research I did for a _Castle Falkenstein_ game. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2018, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-victorian-mysteries/817302/7 "2018-07-05T13:10:23Z")
You’ll be interested in Jack Whicher. From the above link: Detective Inspector Jonathan “Jack” Whicher (1 October 1814–29 June 1881) was one of the original eight members of the newly formed Detective Branch which was established at Scotland Yard in 1842. In 1860 he was involved in the Constance Kent murder case which was the subject of Kate Summerscale’s 2008 book The Suspicions of Mr Whicher and the film of the same name. He was one of the inspirations for Charles Dickens’s Inspector Bucket, Colin Dexter’s Inspector Morse, Wilkie Collins’s Sergeant Cuff and R. D. Wingfield’s Jack Frost, among other fictional detectives. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2018, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-victorian-mysteries/817302/8 "2018-07-05T18:10:48Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > There’s the[Blackstone series](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Lambert_(author)#Blackstone_novels_(as_Richard_Falkirk))by Derek Lambert (writing as Richard Falkirk) Blackstone’s a Bow Street Runner, more towards their end, just before the Met was established. It’s Georgian/Regency not Victorian, but sometimes do [concern Victoria](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1804694.Blackstone). There was a recent [reprint](https://www.amazon.com/Blackstone-Richard-Falkirk/dp/1786080109). added to list, thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Rhiannon8404](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rhiannon8404/32/17929_2.png) [@Rhiannon8404](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhiannon8404)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2018, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-victorian-mysteries/817302/9 "2018-07-05T18:23:11Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > There’s also the [Thomas Pitt](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cater_Street_Hangman) series by Anne Perry (she of _Heavenly Creatures_ murder infamy) I was going to suggest the Thomas Pitt series. I have read most of them and they are very good. I’ve also read the William Monk series which are also very good. Set after the Crimean War. Both main characters are with the police. Everything I’ve read by Anne Perry is very good. ---
**Author:** ![Treppenwitz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treppenwitz/32/3445_2.png) [@Treppenwitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treppenwitz)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2018, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-victorian-mysteries/817302/10 "2018-07-05T19:14:45Z")
Are you up for non-fiction? It’s not a perfect match to what you’re looking for, but the police stories in Reprinted Pieces by Charles Dickens are fascinating. It’s just a small part of the book, but you can read it on line (dead easy to find), so that’s no particular problem. The Detective Police Three Detective Anecdotes On Duty with Inspector Field Down with the Tide At the time there were three or four detectives in the UK. Dickens knew all of them and was basically a groupie. His non-fiction is (my opinion) far better than his fiction. j ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2018, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-victorian-mysteries/817302/11 "2018-07-06T05:54:44Z")
> [@Rhiannon8404](#): > > I was going to suggest the Thomas Pitt series. I have read most of them and they are very good. I’ve also read the William Monk series which are also very good. Set after the Crimean War. Both main characters are with the police. Everything I’ve read by Anne Perry is very good. I didn’t include Monk because he’s a PI for a large part of the series, isn’t he? ---
**Author:** ![Dendarii\_Dame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbce88/32.png) [@Dendarii\_Dame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dendarii_Dame)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2018, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-victorian-mysteries/817302/12 "2018-07-06T15:00:35Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Of course I’d recommend the Sherlock Holmes stories, but he’s not on the official police force. I’ve heard good things about the Sergeant Cribb novels, but haven’t read any of them: [Peter Lovesey - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Lovesey#Sergeant_Cribb_novels) I have read a number of the Sergeant Cribb novels, which I think are excellent. I especially recommend _Waxwork_. ---
**Author:** ![Tzigone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Tzigone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tzigone)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2018, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-victorian-mysteries/817302/13 "2018-07-06T15:41:24Z")
> [@Rhiannon8404](#): > > I was going to suggest the Thomas Pitt series. I have read most of them and they are very good. I’ve also read the William Monk series which are also very good. Set after the Crimean War. Both main characters are with the police. Everything I’ve read by Anne Perry is very good. Well, Monk was with the police originally, then a private investigator, then back with the police. I enjoyed them for a while, but continuity is poor. Runcorn’s personality changes to suit the plot, Margaret’s personality did too, and she lost a sister and gained two new ones. In one book Rathbone has his own house, and in a later one he say he could if he wanted to, but prefers to rent rooms. There was one so extreme between books I checked see if there was another edition because a guest character knew who Charlotte really was at the end of the book, and knew his daughter married because she might be pregnant, but had forgotten both of these when he showed up again and these were major plot points. Charlotte’s child briefly went back to teething in one book before reverting a 5 or so year old (been a while, and can’t recall exact age). One book says Emily redecorated the house, another says it was perfect so she never changed anything. Vespasia had a deceased daughter and 8 surviving grandchildren in one book, only to be called childless later, IIRC. The character/appearances of Charlotte’s brother-in-law is also a bit of a snarl. I know reading them all over a few weeks instead over a decade makes me notice those more, but finally I got tired of it. Might read more Monk books, but not more Pitt ones because I don’t like what’s happened with Emily’s character lately, and especially because he does all the political crimes now, and I’m not in to politics in my mysteries. Or war-based ones. I want a murder mystery, with war and politics only giving flavor. ---
**Author:** ![Rocketeer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocketeer/32/4437_2.png) [@Rocketeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rocketeer)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2018, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/british-victorian-mysteries/817302/14 "2018-07-07T19:48:54Z")
You might look into the _ **Rivals of Sherlock Holmes** _ series.