# Britney Spear's 'Diagnosis'? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [June 24, 2021, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/britney-spears-diagnosis/944950 "2021-06-24T15:06:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Jim\_B](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jim_b/32/4338_2.png) [@Jim\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jim_B)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/britney-spears-diagnosis/944950/1 "2021-06-24T15:06:05Z")
As you all probably know, singer Britney Spears is contesting her father’s role as executor of her estate. I obviously don’t even need a cite. My question: what exactly is wrong with her to begin with? Is she mentally ill? Mentally retarded? Autistic? None of the sources I read or see seem to go into much detail about this, and remain rather vague. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/britney-spears-diagnosis/944950/2 "2021-06-24T15:07:38Z")
Her medical records are sealed and private. So what you are going to get is vague or suppositional. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/britney-spears-diagnosis/944950/3 "2021-06-24T15:21:18Z")
Technicality: her father is her conservator, not executor. He’s been so since 2008; if one reads about Spears’ behavior in 2007 and 2008, she was engaging in some strange and/or unsafe behavior, was in and out of several treatment programs for substance abuse, lost custody of her children, and wound up, at least briefly, under an involuntary psychiatric hold. In addition, she was in a psychiatric facility for a time in 2019, which may not have been a voluntary choice on her part. Complete WAG follows: She has never struck me as particularly bright (though that doesn’t necessarily make her any different from a lot of people). She’s had issues with substance abuse in the past, and it seems likely that she has some level of psychatric issues. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/britney-spears-diagnosis/944950/4 "2021-06-24T15:27:23Z")
Another WAG: she achieved massive international fame by age 18. You either have to be remarkably levelheaded yourself or have a very good support network to deal with suddenly achieving lots of money, fame and pressure at that age without going off the rails, and I suspect neither of those apply here. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/britney-spears-diagnosis/944950/5 "2021-06-24T15:38:01Z")
And it isn’t at all unusual to get prescribed addictive substances to keep up with an intense touring schedule. Opiates for injuries, benzos for stress. And the paparazzi pressure on her was intense when she had her breakdown. As for being not bright - she has never lived in anything resembling the real world since she was a pre-teen. ---
**Author:** ![salinqmind1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/958977/32.png) [@salinqmind1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/salinqmind1)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/britney-spears-diagnosis/944950/6 "2021-06-24T15:41:42Z")
Bipolar is what is supposed, what I have read in every mention. Other things, too, but bipolar underneath. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/britney-spears-diagnosis/944950/7 "2021-06-24T15:52:16Z")
> [@Dangerosa](#): > > As for being not bright - she has never lived in anything resembling the real world since she was a pre-teen. Fair point. It’s entirely possible that she’s not dumb, but never received any real education or guidance on developing life skills or decision-making ability. ---
**Author:** ![Roger\_That](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roger_that/32/8505_2.png) [@Roger\_That](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roger_That)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/britney-spears-diagnosis/944950/8 "2021-06-24T16:48:05Z")
I vote “Both.” ---
**Author:** ![AHunter3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ahunter3/32/368_2.png) [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/britney-spears-diagnosis/944950/9 "2021-06-24T17:56:55Z")
A conservatorship is (at least in legal theory) _not_ appointed because of anything specifically “wrong” with the person. You can have a psychiatric diagnosis and it doesn’t remove your rights to manage your own affairs. We’ve even finally won the right to refuse medication when we’re involuntarily committed and locked up (although getting that right enforced is a different story). You get a conservator as a consequence of being found to be incompetent — unable to make decisions. It isn’t a medical diagnosis. It is a civil legal determination. Under ideal circumstances Britney Spears (or a person in her circumstances) gets an attorney who in turn has her tested and then presents her in court to claim she is at this point able to decide for herself. It should not be necessary (or relevant) to contend with questions of her medical diagnosis to do so. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/britney-spears-diagnosis/944950/10 "2021-06-24T18:02:47Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > She has never struck me as particularly bright (though that doesn’t necessarily make her any different from a lot of people). _“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”_ ― George Carlin ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/britney-spears-diagnosis/944950/11 "2021-06-24T18:10:36Z")
Since there is no chance at all this will remain a GQ, I have moved it to IMHO. RickJay Moderator ---
**Author:** ![Madam\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madam_librarian/32/3123_2.png) [@Madam\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Madam_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/britney-spears-diagnosis/944950/12 "2021-06-24T19:09:55Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > He’s been so since 2008; if one reads about Spears’ behavior in 2007 and 2008, she was engaging in some strange and/or unsafe behavior, was in and out of several treatment programs for substance abuse, lost custody of her children, and wound up, at least briefly, under an involuntary psychiatric hold. In addition, she was in a psychiatric facility for a time in 2019, which may not have been a voluntary choice on her part. You’ve just described Charlie Sheen and Kanye West, neither of whom found themselves conserved. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/britney-spears-diagnosis/944950/13 "2021-06-24T21:07:40Z")
> [@Madam\_Librarian](#): > > You’ve just described Charlie Sheen and Kanye West, neither of whom found themselves conserved. They have penises. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/britney-spears-diagnosis/944950/14 "2021-06-24T21:11:41Z")
I was listening to NPR earlier this afternoon, and they were talking about Spears and this situation. They had an expert talking about conservatorships, and he said that it was extremely uncommon for anyone to try to get out from under a conservatorship, because conservatorships are nearly always done for people who are truly mentally incapable of running their everyday lives, and such situations don’t “get better” very often. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/britney-spears-diagnosis/944950/15 "2021-06-24T21:25:28Z")
I do not think Spears was anything more than a little dumb. Not mentally deficient…just not very bright. She made some bad life choices but LOADS of people do that all the time (I’ve made a few myself). ISTM she is being treated differently because of the money she has. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/britney-spears-diagnosis/944950/16 "2021-06-24T21:27:06Z")
Her father is pretty clearly using her. I imagine growing up with that trash, and the stress of hey profession was very hard. Her lawyer is a piece of shit too. $7M in fees so far and he never even told her she could request it being revoked. Hey, why give up $10k a month when all it costs is your conscience. ---
**Author:** ![Madam\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madam_librarian/32/3123_2.png) [@Madam\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Madam_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/britney-spears-diagnosis/944950/17 "2021-06-24T23:19:21Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > They have penises. . . .and her father has total control over her body, Mandated IUD. So, he (who’s profiting from her) not only has full control over her finances but her person. Unbelievable. ---
**Author:** ![Bootb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19b73/32.png) [@Bootb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bootb)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2021, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/britney-spears-diagnosis/944950/18 "2021-06-24T23:20:28Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Her father is pretty clearly using her. That’s what I’ve thought, too. I’m willing to give the original judge who imposed the convervatorship the benefit of the doubt, and assume that she needed supervision then. But the people who are profiting from the situation have a vested interest in fighting to keep the situation from changing, and I am not willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. ---
**Author:** ![BippityBoppityBoo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bippityboppityboo/32/5745_2.png) [@BippityBoppityBoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BippityBoppityBoo)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2021, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/britney-spears-diagnosis/944950/19 "2021-06-25T00:43:48Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > They have penises. Thread 🏆 ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2021, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/britney-spears-diagnosis/944950/20 "2021-06-25T01:13:11Z")
I don’t do much guardian/conservator law, but my understanding is that being a little goofy, a drug addict, or very irresponsible is simply not a reason to control someone. Nor is anxiety, depression, ADHD, or bipolar. Hey, it’s a free country (I mean if you get caught with the drugs then you have to deal with the criminal justice system) and you don’t have to live under the way someone else thinks you should. If you have $10 million in the bank and want to piss it away in the casino tonight, well, then it’s your money, go for it! Even if she is suicidal, I could see a reason why she should be committed for that, but how is she “unable” to manage her money? That seems very odd to me. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/britney-spears-diagnosis/944950.md?page=2)