# Britney Spears owes me ten bucks--and a blank morality check. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 11, 2002, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/britney-spears-owes-me-ten-bucks-and-a-blank-morality-check/118366 "2002-07-11T04:27:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Lucki\_Chaarms](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lucki\_Chaarms](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucki_Chaarms)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/britney-spears-owes-me-ten-bucks-and-a-blank-morality-check/118366/161 "2003-03-24T23:42:14Z")
How do you think I feel? I’m in the “oh-so-close” category, just a few months after 18. I believe the law here says that you have to be within 2 years of one another in order for it to be legal for you to tap underage girls. That means that all the 15’s are already out of range, and before TOO long the 16’s will be, too. Nooooooooo!!! Heh. LC ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/britney-spears-owes-me-ten-bucks-and-a-blank-morality-check/118366/162 "2003-03-24T23:46:01Z")
Well, if you’re as charming in person when you’re offering to “tap” underage girls, as you are here, I really don’t think you have to worry that much… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![CanvasShoes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/74df32/32.png) [@CanvasShoes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CanvasShoes)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/britney-spears-owes-me-ten-bucks-and-a-blank-morality-check/118366/163 "2003-03-24T23:47:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jarbabyj \* > \*\*As a straight, almost thirty year old woman, I must say that I’ve had plenty of lascivious thoughts about boys under eighteen. Highschool baseball players or swimmers or whathaveyou. > > my god, a sixteen year old boy tortured me for a week of summer vacation because he knew I had a crush on him. > > That tease. > > j \*\* Thank your lucky stars jbaby, I’m 40something, but a very young looking 40something (most of my students think I’m only a few years older than their 20something), and once, leaving my night time dance class I was seriously ogled by a young man with hockey gear entering the university gym. In truth? I felt a little funny about it, as in, good grief young man!, quit undressing me with your eyes, I"m old enough to be your mom!! I’m with what many other’s have said here, the older you get, the more people your own age look attractive. That being said however, my bf is 11.75 years younger than I am 😃 HEY! I am NOT old enough to be HIS mom!!! ---
**Author:** ![Sofa\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/58956e/32.png) [@Sofa\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sofa_King)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/britney-spears-owes-me-ten-bucks-and-a-blank-morality-check/118366/164 "2003-03-24T23:50:50Z")
Boy, do I ever wish this one would go away. I just know my better half is gonna find it some day and then my goose is cooked. And yes, I still feel creeped out about the whole thing. At this point, I have no idea what I meant by the phrase “book on end.” Sometimes I don’t even make sense to my own self. So tell me, **CanvasShoes** , is it a Marylin butt, or a James butt? There is probably a dramatic difference between the two. ---
**Author:** ![Anamorphic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/anamorphic/32/3057_2.png) [@Anamorphic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anamorphic)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/britney-spears-owes-me-ten-bucks-and-a-blank-morality-check/118366/165 "2003-03-24T23:57:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sofa King \* > \*\*So tell me, **CanvasShoes** , is it a Marylin butt, or a James butt? There is probably a dramatic difference between the two. \*\* Or a Monroe from **Too Close For Comfort** -butt? ---
**Author:** ![CanvasShoes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/74df32/32.png) [@CanvasShoes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CanvasShoes)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/britney-spears-owes-me-ten-bucks-and-a-blank-morality-check/118366/166 "2003-03-25T00:56:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Anamorphic \* > \*\*Or a Monroe from **Too Close For Comfort** -butt? \*\* As in Marilyn!! (shoot, I need to remember that this is a multi-generational board). And who is Monroe from “Too Close for Comfort”? ---
**Author:** ![HoldenCaulfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/22d042/32.png) [@HoldenCaulfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HoldenCaulfield)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/britney-spears-owes-me-ten-bucks-and-a-blank-morality-check/118366/167 "2003-03-25T01:26:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sofa King \* > \*\*So tell me, **CanvasShoes** , is it a Marylin butt, or a James butt? There is probably a dramatic difference between the two. \*\* Here’s strange for ya: My mind didn’t even get past James. I sorta thought, “Was James Monroe reknown for a big butt?” then finished reading the post. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/britney-spears-owes-me-ten-bucks-and-a-blank-morality-check/118366/168 "2003-03-25T01:55:37Z")
> [@](#): > > My policy in regard to my bottom, which was adopted at an early stage of the development of the celluloid which has so long agitated that quarter of the globe, nevertheless remains the same, which is, not to interfere in the internal concerns of any of its powers; to cultivate friendly relations with it, and to preserve those deposits as a frank, firm, and manly bottom, meeting in all instances the just claims of every admirer, submitting to injuries from none. --The Monroe Doctrine (early draft.) ---
**Author:** ![sturmhauke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@sturmhauke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sturmhauke)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/britney-spears-owes-me-ten-bucks-and-a-blank-morality-check/118366/169 "2003-03-25T02:54:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Lucki Chaarms \* > \*\*How do you think I feel? I’m in the “oh-so-close” category, just a few months after 18. I believe the law here says that you have to be within 2 years of one another in order for it to be legal for you to tap underage girls. That means that all the 15’s are already out of range, and before TOO long the 16’s will be, too. Nooooooooo!!! > > Heh. > > LC \*\* Depends on the state. I believe in California it’s 3 years, but in some states it’s a strict cutoff at the age of majority, which isn’t necessarily 18. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/britney-spears-owes-me-ten-bucks-and-a-blank-morality-check/118366/170 "2003-03-25T06:16:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by CanvasShoes \* > \*\*As in Marilyn!! (shoot, I need to remember that this is a multi-generational board). > > And who is Monroe from “Too Close for Comfort”? \*\* [Monroe](http://www.collectinghollywood.com/JJBull1.jpg) from [Too Close For Comfort](http://us.imdb.com/Title?0080299). I thought he was dead, but apparently not. His latest film (_Gaydar_) was shot last year. ---
**Author:** ![ProjectOmega](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b487fb/32.png) [@ProjectOmega](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ProjectOmega)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 9:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/britney-spears-owes-me-ten-bucks-and-a-blank-morality-check/118366/171 "2003-03-25T09:17:28Z")
Maybe I’m weird, or some of you guys are _really_ weird, but even I don’t find the 13-15 age group attractive, and I’m 18. They all seem too bratty and underdeveloped. I can’t see past their teeny-bopper aura to make an objective decision as to their physical attractiveness. Actually, with one exception. I once met a girl who I would have sworn was at least 16 or 17, but it turned out she was, in fact, 14. She was incredibly mature in both her looks and personality, so her age was just a technicality 😃 ---
**Author:** ![AHunter3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ahunter3/32/368_2.png) [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/britney-spears-owes-me-ten-bucks-and-a-blank-morality-check/118366/172 "2003-03-25T17:15:03Z")
**sugaree** : > [@](#): > > **parkov** , please admit that there is a difference between being attracted to 15 year olds and 11 year olds. Those four years do a lot. Weren’t you ogling the 11 year olds when you were an eleven year old? Was there some point where you stopped? :😕: Feel free to inform me that in you opinion I’m a pervert, but I can remember ogling 9 year old girls when I was a 9 year old boy. Of course, at nine I didn’t want to bed them (or anyone else). Decades later, I see the same attractiveness and fundamental oglability of 9 year olds, 11 year olds, 14 year olds, etc., that I saw when I was their age. (I still don’t want to bed the 9 year olds. With the 14s I suppose there’s a tinge more spice on the ‘hmm’). ---
**Author:** ![Irish\_Rogue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e36b37/32.png) [@Irish\_Rogue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irish_Rogue)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/britney-spears-owes-me-ten-bucks-and-a-blank-morality-check/118366/173 "2003-03-25T22:47:47Z")
First, let me say that as a woman on the early side of thirtysomething, I’ve experienced nearly every aspect of this discussion … except from Sofa King’s point of view, of course. I’ve been a hot 15 year old redhead (in the Catholic uniform, thank you! haha) who was a notorious flirt. Why? Hell, because it is empowering! What a heady feeling to know that someone twice your age is looking and appreciating the way you look! Does that mean I had low self-esteem or some other psycho-babble issue? Perhaps … but since I grew up to be a healthy, well-adjusted adult, I suppose that’s alright. I dated younger men for awhile … had a short, steamy fling with a 17 year-old when I was 21 … had a longer, steamier fling with a 18 year-old when I was 22. I then “graduated” to dating older men … and spent quite a few years in the company of men at least ten years my senior. Unlike most of my friends (who married early), I met my husband while in my late twenties … and, unlike those same friends, I’m very satisfied with my life. I’ve had such rich and varied experiences, I don’t feel as if I’m missing out on anything by “settling down.” My point? If there’s one thing I’ve learned in this life, men are going to look … and they’re going to be tempted. And not to get all Stuart Smalley, but hey … that’s … okay! They looked when I was 15 … and (hopefully) they’ll look when I’m 35. Unlike our young poster, I wasn’t offended by older men “ogling” me … however, there was a fine line and I knew when not to cross it. When she’s older, wiser … and, sadly, perhaps a little more cynical, she’ll realize that the majority of men are thinking exactly what Sofa King wrote … most of them aren’t nearly as witty or humerous though. Irish Rogue Oh … and I’ve still got my school uniform. I wore it to work last year for my agency’s Halloween costume contest … and won. haha 😉 ---
**Author:** ![FaerieBeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e95f7d/32.png) [@FaerieBeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FaerieBeth)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2003, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/britney-spears-owes-me-ten-bucks-and-a-blank-morality-check/118366/174 "2003-03-26T01:36:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by catsix \* > \*\*Sometimes it’s depressing to hear (or read) a man 25 to 30 years old talkinga bout how hot some 15 year old girl was because it starts to sound like a reminder that ‘young is sexy’ and at 24, I’m already invisible to men over 21. > \*\* Seriously. It is depressing. I suppose, at 32, I should now aspire to be the milf? FB ---
**Author:** ![Dijon\_Warlock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a9a28c/32.png) [@Dijon\_Warlock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dijon_Warlock)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2003, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/britney-spears-owes-me-ten-bucks-and-a-blank-morality-check/118366/175 "2003-03-26T02:42:20Z")
Um… **eris**? > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by erislover \* > > \*\*When we laugh at physical comedy, we aren’t secretly wishing that the comedian is harmed. Remember the Ernest movies? That man would be dead in real life. \*\* [Jim Varney, 15 June 1949 – 10 February 2000](http://us.imdb.com/Name?Varney,+Jim). 😃 **AHunter3’s** experience mirrors my own pretty closely. As I’ve gotten older, I’ve found older and older females attractive (so no, you don’t have to be young to be attractive; no need to panic), but the younger ones never dropped off the radar, at least not from the standpoint of being visually appealing. They have the same impact they did when I was their age (which, hitting puberty at age 12, was pretty impactful). Thus, I don’t find the attraction to younger people (which makes sense) to be nearly as abhorrently creepy as I do the utter loathing people have for it (which seems disturbingly twisted). That being said, I’d have to admit that back when I was a tween, the idea of someone my current age checking me out would have seemed pretty skeevy. But then, the idea of sex in general would have seemed pretty skeevy back then. Still, I’m conscious enough now to attribute that to my tween self’s lack of knowlege/experience rather than some sort of cosmic transgression of decency. We often hear what problems teenage girls (probably boys, too) have with self-esteem, and I wonder how much of that is caused by the pathologization of the appreciation of their sexuality, which is so much a part of what teenagers are going through. Being taught that anyone who values what you’re becoming is sick doesn’t seem as if it can be good for the self-image. ---
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2003, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/britney-spears-owes-me-ten-bucks-and-a-blank-morality-check/118366/176 "2003-03-27T05:43:58Z")
Several things… :eek: , 😉 , ☹ , Did someone say “I am a 15 year old girl” in _this_ thread?! , It is comforting to know that I am not the only dirty ‘old man’ (23) in the world. , There is such a thing as adoration (non-sexual attraction). we are hardwired, (also) to have feelings that would motivate us to be protective of our young. Maybe the feelings some of us are guilty of are not lust but rather an uncomfortable mix of lust and adoration. , The world does not revolve around sex, well actually it does, but there are other things. I have feelings for a girl (looks about 17) who works at the superstore. Those feelings are completely non-sexual, but she gets my heart beating a little faster than usuall. , Is it possible that the fact that sex is such a significant part of life combined with the possibility to have feelings for young girls results in us believing we are having sexual feelings for the girls when really we are just having feelings. My, er, eight cents. ---
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2003, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/britney-spears-owes-me-ten-bucks-and-a-blank-morality-check/118366/177 "2003-03-27T06:03:27Z")
> [@](#): > > Weren’t you ogling the 11 year olds when you were an eleven year old? > > Was there some point where you stopped? I was despising the 11 year olds when I was 11. It was the law, at 11, to hate the opposite sex. ---
**Author:** ![HoldenCaulfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/22d042/32.png) [@HoldenCaulfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HoldenCaulfield)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2003, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/britney-spears-owes-me-ten-bucks-and-a-blank-morality-check/118366/178 "2003-03-27T06:11:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Lobsang \* > \*\*I was despising the 11 year olds when I was 11. It was the law, at 11, to hate the opposite sex. \*\* I don’t know; I lost my hate-the-opposite-sex drive when I was 7 or 8. ---
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2003, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/britney-spears-owes-me-ten-bucks-and-a-blank-morality-check/118366/179 "2003-03-27T06:16:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by HoldenCaulfield \* > \*\*I don’t know; I lost my hate-the-opposite-sex drive when I was 7 or 8. \*\* Well we’re a bit old-fashioned in the UK. or maybe it’s just me that’s old fashioned. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/britney-spears-owes-me-ten-bucks-and-a-blank-morality-check/118366.md?page=8)