# Broadcast networks deliberating whether to air Trump's prime time immigration address **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 7, 2019, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broadcast-networks-deliberating-whether-to-air-trumps-prime-time-immigration-address/827374 "2019-01-07T22:06:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broadcast-networks-deliberating-whether-to-air-trumps-prime-time-immigration-address/827374/61 "2019-01-09T13:43:45Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Normal politics is about compromise, give and take, and negotiation. Compromise would be Trump asking for 4 billion instead of 5 when the Democrats offered 1.5. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broadcast-networks-deliberating-whether-to-air-trumps-prime-time-immigration-address/827374/62 "2019-01-09T13:57:00Z")
Given that (as per expectations) both the speech and the response were easily-forgotten nothingburgers that conveyed no news, I wonder if the networks regret their choice. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broadcast-networks-deliberating-whether-to-air-trumps-prime-time-immigration-address/827374/63 "2019-01-09T15:11:20Z")
HA HA HA HA!!! That old bastard hasn’t lost his touch one BIT! He just conned the major broadcast networks into opening up a 10 minute spot, during prime time; and giving him HOURS and DAYS of buzz, for a fucking infomercial/campaign fundraiser. FOR FREE! Dear god, that man is slicker 'n snot! For those who missed it, there was a [fundraising email](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6571017/Watch-speech-donate-Presidents-campaign-turns-Oval-Office-address-fundraiser.html) sent out before and after the speech. The pitch was the money would go toward The Wall, but the fine print confirms the proceeds will instead go to the Republican Party and Trump’s campaign/legal defense fund. But wait! There’s MORE! He very literally used The Office of the Presidency for his own personal financial gain. Fucking _brazen_! Hate the guy, why not? He’s conniving and slimy, and he’d rob his own mother for his ends–even if he had to buy his own shovel (cuz she’s dead, see?). But there is SO much we have to learn from him simply as a case study in criminology. Fucking astounding. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broadcast-networks-deliberating-whether-to-air-trumps-prime-time-immigration-address/827374/64 "2019-01-09T15:34:52Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > HA HA HA HA!!! That old bastard hasn’t lost his touch one BIT! He just conned the major broadcast networks into opening up a 10 minute spot, during prime time; and giving him HOURS and DAYS of buzz, for a fucking infomercial/campaign fundraiser. FOR FREE! Dear god, that man is slicker 'n snot! > > For those who missed it, there was a [fundraising email](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6571017/Watch-speech-donate-Presidents-campaign-turns-Oval-Office-address-fundraiser.html) sent out before and after the speech. The pitch was the money would go toward The Wall, but the fine print confirms the proceeds will instead go to the Republican Party and Trump’s campaign/legal defense fund. > > But wait! There’s MORE! He very literally used The Office of the Presidency for his own personal financial gain. Fucking _brazen_! > Hate the guy, why not? He’s conniving and slimy, and he’d rob his own mother for his ends–even if he had to buy his own shovel (cuz she’s dead, see?). But there is SO much we have to learn from him simply as a case study in criminology. Fucking astounding. Yep, nothing more than a campaign fundraising event. And, a con-artist approach to it: “Donate to fund the wall and please don’t read the fine print.\*” \*Money won’t go to wall. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broadcast-networks-deliberating-whether-to-air-trumps-prime-time-immigration-address/827374/65 "2019-01-09T15:56:00Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Trump found a pretty good speech writer. > > He seemed to stick to the script and read the teleprompter. > > I’d view the Democrats position more favorably if Schumer and Pelosi weren’t on record supporting a physical barrier in 2006. That bill passed the Senate with impressive numbers. > > This is partisan politics at it’s ugliest and worst. Neither political party gives a shit about the families that aren’t getting paid and will soon be in serious financial trouble. > > It’s time to end this shutdown. Come together, compromise and find middle ground. Imho the DACA bill that included funding for improving the border fence is a good place to start. The Democrats get something (DACA) they want and Trump gets a scaled down version of his wall/fence. > [PolitiFact | Fact-check: Did top Democrats vote for a border wall in 2006?](https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/apr/23/mick-mulvaney/fact-check-did-top-democrats-vote-border-wall-2006/) > [@aceplace57](#): > > People’s lives are being ruined by this extended shutdown. Making Trump look bad isn’t worth hurting innocent people. > > Politics has always been grounded in compromise. That’s the only way a two party system can function. > > I’m not suggesting that Trump gets everything he wants. Both sides have to compromise. When your two year old is throwing a tantrum, you don’t offer him a cookie if he’ll stop. This is not a time for negotiation. This is a time when Congress should be standing up to Trump and forcing him to start behaving like a real President. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broadcast-networks-deliberating-whether-to-air-trumps-prime-time-immigration-address/827374/66 "2019-01-09T16:01:46Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > HA HA HA HA!!! That old bastard hasn’t lost his touch one BIT! He just conned the major broadcast networks into opening up a 10 minute spot, during prime time; and giving him HOURS and DAYS of buzz, for a fucking infomercial/campaign fundraiser. FOR FREE! Dear god, that man is slicker 'n snot! > > For those who missed it, there was a [fundraising email](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6571017/Watch-speech-donate-Presidents-campaign-turns-Oval-Office-address-fundraiser.html) sent out before and after the speech. The pitch was the money would go toward The Wall, but the fine print confirms the proceeds will instead go to the Republican Party and Trump’s campaign/legal defense fund. > > But wait! There’s MORE! He very literally used The Office of the Presidency for his own personal financial gain. Fucking _brazen_! > Hate the guy, why not? He’s conniving and slimy, and he’d rob his own mother for his ends–even if he had to buy his own shovel (cuz she’s dead, see?). But there is SO much we have to learn from him simply as a case study in criminology. Fucking astounding. Let me guess. You’re the guy who thinks it’s a great idea to walk into a bank with a gun. Because they’ll just hand you free money. It’s great! You get all this money and you don’t have to work a job! I don’t know why everyone doesn’t do this! Consequences? What are those? I don’t understand what you’re talking about. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broadcast-networks-deliberating-whether-to-air-trumps-prime-time-immigration-address/827374/67 "2019-01-09T16:18:36Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Let me guess. You’re the guy who thinks it’s a great idea to walk into a bank with a gun. Because they’ll just hand you free money. > > It’s great! You get all this money and you don’t have to work a job! I don’t know why everyone doesn’t do this! > Consequences? What are those? I don’t understand what you’re talking about. Well, no, but that’s exactly my point. MOST people, even not nice ones, wouldn’t hold up a bank because they consider themselves too smart to do something that stupid. Trump has just demonstrated, once again, it’s only stupid to not do it. You and me? We look ahead to potential consequences of our actions, and that’s _part_ of what orients our moral compass. Trump has been doing this sort of thing for over half a century and so far the worst thing that’s happened to him is he’s been made POTUS. Sure sure, there’s a chance he _might_ swill some polonium tea before Muller gets around to bringing charges (which also won’t happen-Muller’s the Republican in charge of the smoke and mirrors, but that’s another thread), but the odds are Trump will go to his grave a free [del]man[/del] sociopath. My jocular assessment of the event is simply my ability to admire the talent, if not the art. Same way I process Prince or Melville or Seurat–I don’t find their work appealing, but I recognize they did it well. ETA: Nevermind. Too flip. Have a nice day! ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broadcast-networks-deliberating-whether-to-air-trumps-prime-time-immigration-address/827374/68 "2019-01-09T16:45:41Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > Your desire for appeasement truly knows no shame, does it? No kidding. I’m going to start threatening to move into **ace** ’s home, rent free… so we can find a compromise in which I just take his car and give him $50. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broadcast-networks-deliberating-whether-to-air-trumps-prime-time-immigration-address/827374/69 "2019-01-09T16:53:12Z")
On a lighter note … The twitter memes of Pelosi and Schumer are hilarious. Glad to see America hasn’t lost its sense of humor. Sometimes laughing at a terrible situation is all anyone can do. > **[The internet wasted no time roasting Schumer and Pelosi](https://nypost.com/2019/01/08/the-internet-wasted-no-time-roasting-schumer-and-pelosi/)** > > The Democratic response to President Trump’s speech by Sen. Chuck Schumer and Rep. Nancy Pelosi quickly got ripped apart online, as jokesters mocked the way they spoke while standing close together… Twin Peaks [https://mobile.twitter.com/MichaelDolan/status/1082823658098307072](https://mobile.twitter.com/MichaelDolan/status/1082823658098307072) American Gothic > > Angry Parents We Aren’t Mad, Just Disappointed > ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broadcast-networks-deliberating-whether-to-air-trumps-prime-time-immigration-address/827374/70 "2019-01-09T17:16:15Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > On a lighter note … Well it’s interesting to see the trolls are sticking to what they know: appearance over substance. Yeah, they looked a little odd. Schumer in particular had his stink-eye turned up to 11. But no, not a lighter note actually because your links highlight the inability of the left & right to communicate. Left wants substance & reason, right wants shiny & emotional. We need a political corpus callosum. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broadcast-networks-deliberating-whether-to-air-trumps-prime-time-immigration-address/827374/71 "2019-01-09T17:36:20Z")
In the live follow-on thread some of our leftist Dopers were making jokes about President Trump’s genitals. “Substance & reason”? ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broadcast-networks-deliberating-whether-to-air-trumps-prime-time-immigration-address/827374/72 "2019-01-09T18:31:08Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > In the live follow-on thread some of our leftist Dopers were making jokes about President Trump’s genitals. “Substance & reason”? Yeah, I’m not a champion of that kind of talk either. Doom on them, and point taken. Good and bad on both sides, etc. I didn’t mean to imply douchery was absent from the left, or facts from the right. But still, my impression is if you seek lookism & bravado gems, you look right. If you seek braids of verifiable facts, you look left. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broadcast-networks-deliberating-whether-to-air-trumps-prime-time-immigration-address/827374/73 "2019-01-09T18:36:56Z")
Genuinely curious: What did you mean by “We need a political corpus callosum”? ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2019, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broadcast-networks-deliberating-whether-to-air-trumps-prime-time-immigration-address/827374/74 "2019-01-09T18:56:57Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Genuinely curious: What did you mean by “We need a political corpus callosum”? Left brain hemisphere focuses on processing analytical thought, numbers, logic, etc. Right brain hemisphere processes feelings, imagination, artsy stuff, abstract thoughts. The corpus callosum literally and figuratively sits between them, joining them, facilitating communication between them. If you cut the cc down the middle, you [eliminate that communication](https://www.nature.com/news/the-split-brain-a-tale-of-two-halves-1.10213) and much comedy (and fewer epileptic seizures) ensues. What I see in the USA, politically, is left and right running amok, untempered by each other and so focused on what each wants that they no longer even know how to communicate–the opposition is an adversary rather than the other HALF of a crucial organ. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2019, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broadcast-networks-deliberating-whether-to-air-trumps-prime-time-immigration-address/827374/75 "2019-01-10T07:31:45Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > People’s lives are being ruined by this extended shutdown. Making Trump look bad isn’t worth hurting innocent people. > > Politics has always been grounded in compromise. That’s the only way a two party system can function. > > I’m not suggesting that Trump gets everything he wants. Both sides have to compromise. Trump has had multiple chances to compromise. Instead, he repeatedly shits all over the Resolute Desk instead. Negotiating with someone who has repeatedly shown himself to act in bad faith is a fool’s errand. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broadcast-networks-deliberating-whether-to-air-trumps-prime-time-immigration-address/827374.md?page=3)