# Broadchurch: Tonight (08/07/13) BBC America **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 7, 2013, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broadchurch-tonight-08-07-13-bbc-america/665586 "2013-08-07T14:03:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broadchurch-tonight-08-07-13-bbc-america/665586/201 "2013-09-27T20:43:04Z")
> [@kath94](#): > > Why are the deceased always so \*cryptic \*when they “want” to communicate? 🙂 > > BTW, who was the woman who came into the newspaper to get Olly and go see Ellie & the children? I don’t recall seeing her previously. > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > That was Olly’s mother and the sister of Ellie, the detective on the case. She made a brief appearance in an earlier episode when she asked Ellie for money or something and Ellie brushed her off. the implication was that Ellie had bailed her out in the past. Maybe someone else will remember that scene better? Never tied up the loose end of Danny arguing with the postman, did we? ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broadchurch-tonight-08-07-13-bbc-america/665586/202 "2013-09-27T20:47:48Z")
The Wikipedia article on the show has more details on Lucy Stevens, who is the sister in question. I have no idea whether the details are correct or whether this is information that was in the show but I missed. ---
**Author:** ![toast\_pakora](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3ec8ea/32.png) [@toast\_pakora](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/toast_pakora)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broadchurch-tonight-08-07-13-bbc-america/665586/203 "2013-09-27T20:48:51Z")
> [@](#): > > BTW, who was the woman who came into the newspaper to get Olly and go see Ellie & the children? I don’t recall seeing her previously. > [@](#): > > That was Olly’s mother and the sister of Ellie, the detective on the case. There had been a scene where she came to Ellie’s house to borrow money. The family dynamic was Ellie being the successful one and her sister being the messed-up one. So, more irony. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broadchurch-tonight-08-07-13-bbc-america/665586/204 "2013-09-27T20:49:54Z")
Someone at IMDB posted that scenes were cut from every episode, to allow time for commercials. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broadchurch-tonight-08-07-13-bbc-america/665586/205 "2013-09-27T21:29:19Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > By the way, based on the reviews I’ve read elsewhere, the BBC America broadcast eliminated a short scene in which Mark Latimer (father of the victim) visited and spoke with Joe Miller (the murderer) in his jail cell. Presumably, the copy of the show that was sent for review was uncut. Oh, no shit? I started watching the American broadcast, but then watched the last few episodes all at once via streaming (possibly from a dubious source, I dunno ) and that scene was definitely left in on those. It was the significant rolleye moment I mentioned above due to the unlikelihood of such a thing ever being permitted in any modern police station, though it made for good painful drama of course. ---
**Author:** ![BrokenBriton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@BrokenBriton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrokenBriton)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broadchurch-tonight-08-07-13-bbc-america/665586/206 "2013-09-27T22:15:55Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > By the way, based on the reviews I’ve read elsewhere, the BBC America broadcast eliminated a short scene in which Mark Latimer (father of the victim) visited and spoke with Joe Miller (the murderer) in his jail cell. Presumably, the copy of the show that was sent for review was uncut. I’m amazed that scene was cut. I’m amazed they have the balls to cut anything - wtf is the matter with these people! It’s important as it’s the big scene between the two men, two fathers. Mark very much needs to know exactly what happened to his son, and Joe badly wants to explain nothing _happened_. > [@AuntiePam](#): > > Someone at IMDB posted that scenes were cut from every episode, to allow time for commercials. Well, it was made by a commercial tv station and so runs to about 47-48 mins … no idea what BBCA does with advertising. ---
**Author:** ![BrokenBriton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@BrokenBriton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrokenBriton)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broadchurch-tonight-08-07-13-bbc-america/665586/207 "2013-09-27T22:19:43Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > She made a brief appearance in an earlier episode when she asked Ellie for money or something and Ellie brushed her off. the implication was that Ellie had bailed her out in the past. Maybe someone else will remember that scene better? In the end Ellie did give her cash for a piece of information about what she had seen in the street. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broadchurch-tonight-08-07-13-bbc-america/665586/208 "2013-09-27T22:23:52Z")
> [@BrokenBriton](#): > > Well, it was made by a commercial tv station and so runs to about 47-48 mins … no idea what BBCA does with advertising. I believe on American television, a show that runs for an hour including commercials is only about 42-43 minutes without commercials. So if the program ran about 47-48 minutes in the UK, it would have needed some cuts to air in the US. A few times, though, BBC America has run shows in a 75 minute format so that nothing needs to be cut. (In particular, I think that’s what they did for Top Gear.) ---
**Author:** ![BrokenBriton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@BrokenBriton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrokenBriton)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broadchurch-tonight-08-07-13-bbc-america/665586/209 "2013-09-27T22:24:40Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Never tied up the loose end of Danny arguing with the postman, did we? It’s a nice, quick read and the postman bit is at the end: > **[Home](https://www.radiotimes.com/)** > > Your UK TV and radio guide to what's on TV and on demand plus all the latest entertainment, soap, film and drama news and reviews from Radio Times. ---
**Author:** ![BrokenBriton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@BrokenBriton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrokenBriton)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broadchurch-tonight-08-07-13-bbc-america/665586/210 "2013-09-27T22:27:22Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I believe on American television, a show that runs for an hour including commercials is only about 42-43 minutes without commercials. So if the program ran about 47-48 minutes in the UK, it would have needed some cuts to air in the US. A few times, though, BBC America has run shows in a 75 minute format so that nothing needs to be cut. (In particular, I think that’s what they did for Top Gear.) I can see they’d run what are 60 min show in the UK to 75 for the US, but you’d also hope the BBC would have more class than to cut a quality drama. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2013, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broadchurch-tonight-08-07-13-bbc-america/665586/211 "2013-09-27T23:52:17Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Never tied up the loose end of Danny arguing with the postman, did we? Not in the US edition I saw, certainly. Do those who saw the full version recall any tie-up of the postman-argument clue? It is commendable in storytelling when even the red herrings are shown, in the end, to have an explainable connection to what occurred. Doesn’t always happen, of course. In re the psychic: I was relieved that Chibnall was NOT going in the “here it’s revealed that the supernatural is real” direction. There’s so much of that on television (and in other filmed entertainment) these days. I agree with those who’ve discussed the ‘cold reading’ possibilities depicted; of course the character might well believe he’s genuinely psychic, while unconsciously employing cold-reading techniques. As for my comments about gender scapegoating: it’s proverbial that we all see what we want (or expect) to see in our entertainment. “Meaning” is notoriously subjective. But I’m coming from the same sort of mindset seen in the recently-publicized research analyzing > [@](#): > > …words used in more than 1.5 million American and British books published between 1800 and 2000 [which] shows how our cultural values have changed. > The increase or decrease in the use of certain words over the past two centuries — a period marked by growing urbanization, greater reliance on technology and the widespread availability of formal education — reveals how human psychology has evolved in response to major historical shifts, said Patricia Greenfield, a distinguished professor of psychology at UCLA and the author of the study. > For instance, the words “choose” and “get” rose significantly in frequency between 1800 and 2000, while “obliged” and “give” decreased significantly over these two centuries. … [Changes in language and word use reflect our shifting values, UCLA psychologist reports | UCLA](http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/changes-in-language-reflect-our-247626.aspx) What we produce is not random; what we produce–stories, novels, screenplays, essays, journalism, diaries…all of it–reflects not only our own preoccupations, but also the era we’re writing in. For example, in the fifties and sixties, many popular-entertainment products referred to the dangers of automation and computers. (Captain Kirk talked…_how_ many computers to death, now?) People were drawn to works that scapegoated automation and computers as the Source of Ills. In the late eighties in the USA, similarly, many popular works dramatized anxieties about the relative success of Japan’s economy as compared with the American economy. (Nakatomi Plaza, anyone?) People readily consumed stories in which the Japanese were scapegoated as being the Source of Ills. Stories targeting computers or Japanese people as being the Reason Everything Is Awful simply would not sell today, because conditions have changed—and the zeitgeist has changed. And frankly, if anyone in 1968 had said “what’s up with all these stories about how computers are dangerous and should be watched?”, or if anyone in 1990 had said “what’s up with all these stories about how the Japanese are dangerous and should be watched?”…they would have received a very negative reception. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2013, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broadchurch-tonight-08-07-13-bbc-america/665586/212 "2013-09-28T00:40:06Z")
> [@BrokenBriton](#): > > In the end Ellie did give her cash for a piece of information about what she had seen in the street. Oh, I remember now. The sister wouldn’t spill until Ellie gave her money. The sister saw a guy in a hat putting something in the trash. When Ellie told Alec, he jumped on her case about waiting so long to tell him. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2013, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broadchurch-tonight-08-07-13-bbc-america/665586/213 "2013-09-28T01:23:21Z")
> [@BrokenBriton](#): > > It’s a nice, quick read and the postman bit is at the end: > > [Radio Times | TV, film and entertainment news | Radio Times](http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2013-05-21/broadchurch-writer-chris-chibnall-you-were-supposed-to-guess-who-the-killer-was) Except that it’s still not explained. In the article Chibnall says a scene with Ellie and the postman was cut, but he doesn’t say what was in that scene. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2013, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broadchurch-tonight-08-07-13-bbc-america/665586/214 "2013-09-28T12:12:41Z")
> [@BrokenBriton](#): > > … no women committed adultery, I thought Danny’s father was having an affair? Was it with another guy? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2013, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broadchurch-tonight-08-07-13-bbc-america/665586/215 "2013-09-28T12:47:01Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > I thought Danny’s father was having an affair? Was it with another guy? No, it was with the woman who ran the bar/hotel. ---
**Author:** ![Misnomer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misnomer/32/14897_2.png) [@Misnomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Misnomer)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2013, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broadchurch-tonight-08-07-13-bbc-america/665586/216 "2013-09-28T16:24:13Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > I thought Danny’s father was having an affair? Was it with another guy? Apparently, **Broken Briton** believes that only the married can commit adultery. (Which, as I already pointed out, Hardy’s wife did.) ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2013, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broadchurch-tonight-08-07-13-bbc-america/665586/217 "2013-09-28T16:28:58Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > No, it was with the woman who ran the bar/hotel. Even if she wasn’t married, wasn’t she still “committing adultery”? (he asks rhetorically… 😉 ) ---
**Author:** ![BrokenBriton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@BrokenBriton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrokenBriton)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2013, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broadchurch-tonight-08-07-13-bbc-america/665586/218 "2013-09-28T17:51:45Z")
> [@Misnomer](#): > > Apparently, **Broken Briton** believes that only the married can commit adultery. (Which, as I already pointed out, Hardy’s wife did.) Apparently, **Broken Briton** saw this show a few months ago and doesn’t remember every detail. > [@JohnT](#): > > Even if she wasn’t married, wasn’t she still “committing adultery”? > > (he asks rhetorically… 😉 ) Can I suggest you have a coffee and come back to this question yourself. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2013, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broadchurch-tonight-08-07-13-bbc-america/665586/219 "2013-09-28T17:56:20Z")
I agree with your larger point that in the show men are weak shits - even the main male lead had his issues. But the women don’t come off much better. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2013, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broadchurch-tonight-08-07-13-bbc-america/665586/220 "2013-09-28T18:11:43Z")
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