# Brock Lesnar is a... jerk **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [July 12, 2009, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brock-lesnar-is-a-jerk/502749 "2009-07-12T09:36:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brock-lesnar-is-a-jerk/502749/21 "2009-07-13T16:25:05Z")
It does if you’re being paid to do it. Or don’t you understand what makes someone a professional? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brock-lesnar-is-a-jerk/502749/22 "2009-07-13T16:26:53Z")
I think he’s saying that it’s a little unrealistic to expect professional face-punchers to act like professionals all the time. I have trouble taking any fighter who doesn’t have a nasty streak seriously. ---
**Author:** ![mazinger\_z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5f9b8f/32.png) [@mazinger\_z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mazinger_z)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brock-lesnar-is-a-jerk/502749/23 "2009-07-13T16:30:51Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I maintain that Lesnar is going to be great for business as long as he can hold onto the belt for a while. Who isn’t going to want to pay to see him get his comeuppance? Personally, I kinda like him. He is a man amongst boys where being so is a skill to be rewarded, i.e. he knows how to throw his weight around (and I still don’t believe he weighs that little ;)), and he’s entertaining in how fast he moves for someone so large. Given these rather large hurdles to overcome, who can beat him? He would have to get pretty sloppy. He broke Herring’s orbital lobe in one punch. So, arguably, he can’t finish. So what? What condition is the opponent going to be in if he can’t fight back? I would pay good money to see Lesnar vs. Fedor. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brock-lesnar-is-a-jerk/502749/24 "2009-07-13T16:37:16Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I think he’s saying that it’s a little unrealistic to expect professional face-punchers to act like professionals all the time. I have trouble taking any fighter who doesn’t have a nasty streak seriously. Ok, but it is possible to be a showman and yet not a dick to the people paying to see you. I think it behooves UFC to tone down the 'raslin antics in Lesnar. But, different strokes I guess… ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brock-lesnar-is-a-jerk/502749/25 "2009-07-13T16:38:45Z")
UFC has him billed at 265 pounds? Okay, that’s ridiculous. He’s got to be up in the 280 range now. He was reportedly at 285 when he tried out for the Vikings. > [@](#): > > Ok, but it is possible to be a showman and yet not a dick to the people paying to see you. I think it behooves UFC to tone down the 'raslin antics in Lesnar. That’s just it - no UFC fan is going to flounce off in a huff because Lesnar gave him the finger, but an awful lot are going to start hating Lesnar. If there’s one thing that wrestling can teach MMA, it’s that (the fan’s) genuine emotion spikes buyrates bigtime- and no emotion does that as effectively as anger. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brock-lesnar-is-a-jerk/502749/26 "2009-07-13T16:59:52Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > That’s just it - no UFC fan is going to flounce off in a huff because Lesnar gave him the finger, but an awful lot are going to start hating Lesnar. If there’s one thing that wrestling can teach MMA, it’s that (the fan’s) genuine emotion spikes buyrates bigtime- and no emotion does that as effectively as anger. In the short term yes, but do it long enough and your sport becomes a soap opera. I hate the Yankees and would pay to see them lose and they’ve never even flicked me off. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brock-lesnar-is-a-jerk/502749/27 "2009-07-13T17:12:31Z")
Against the backdrop of the Pacers-Pistons-Pistons Fans brawl a few years back, Milton Bradley’s weekly flipout, NASCAR driver fistfights, the NFL’s hire-a-convict policy, and so on, the UFC has a lot of work to do before it will be taken seriously as a soap opera. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brock-lesnar-is-a-jerk/502749/28 "2009-07-13T17:19:42Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > It does if you’re being paid to do it. Or don’t you understand what makes someone a professional? No, I understand. I’m just pointing out how stupid it is for you to apply the restraints of your profession to MMA. ---
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brock-lesnar-is-a-jerk/502749/29 "2009-07-13T17:40:11Z")
Dana handed him his ass over the Budweiser comments. He should have, too; trash talking one of the top sponsors isn’t just unprofessional, it’s freaking near suicidal. That’s something else Brock might want to think about - as a fighter his main paycheck isn’t going to come from the fights, it’s from endorsements, and mouthing off may be taking money out of his pocket. Anyway, he later apologized to Mir and to Bud: > [@](#): > > “First and foremost I want to apologize,” Lesnar said. “I acted very unprofessionally after the fight. I’m a sore loser and I don’t like to get beat. I believe that Frank and I’s first fight, I gave that fight to him. So there was a lot of emotion in that fight for me. I love this company. I wanna be a fighter. I’ve wanted to be a fighter since I was a little kid okay - you guys want to get to know me a little bit right now - I’ve been a fighter my whole life. Wrestling was my way out. I wasn’t the smartest kid on the block. I didn’t like school. I like to get in one-on-one with my opponent and that’s where I handled my business. I went in the entertainment business for a while and I guess… people ask all the time if there’s anything I can drag over from the WWE, and I guess you saw a little bit of that tonight.” > > “I apologize to Bud Light,” Lesnar said. "I’m not biased; I drink any beer, but tonight I’m drinking Bud Light all night. So, you know, man I was so jacked up. I’m used to selling PPV tickets. I come from a business that is purely entertainment… Dana (White) came back and we had a whip-the-dog session and I screwed up and I apologize. > > “I have nothing against Frank (Mir),” Lesnar said. “The only thing I had against Frank was that he beat me. We both talked a lot of crap and in the end I was just jacked up.” There’s also some talk in the article by Dana about a possible Lesnar - Fedor match up. [http://www.fiveknuckles.com/mma-news/Lesnar-apologizes-to-Mir,-Bud-Light-White-promises-Lesnar-vs-Fedor.html](http://www.fiveknuckles.com/mma-news/Lesnar-apologizes-to-Mir,-Bud-Light-White-promises-Lesnar-vs-Fedor.html) ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brock-lesnar-is-a-jerk/502749/30 "2009-07-13T18:13:52Z")
Yeah - attacking the sponsor is obviously a horrible idea, unless they’re in on it or something. I was referring solely to Lesnar getting in Mir’s face and flipping off the crowd, for the record. ---
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brock-lesnar-is-a-jerk/502749/31 "2009-07-13T18:22:34Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Yeah - attacking the sponsor is obviously a horrible idea, unless they’re in on it or something. I was referring solely to Lesnar getting in Mir’s face and flipping off the crowd, for the record. I follow. If he’d left it at that, Dana probably would have let it slide as “youthful exuberance.” 😃 ETA: had to add my favorite headline I’ve seen so far: “Lesnar smashes Mir and then loses his mind in postfight.” ---
**Author:** ![satoridt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@satoridt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/satoridt)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brock-lesnar-is-a-jerk/502749/32 "2009-07-13T20:53:21Z")
> [@Covered\_In\_Bees](#): > > And this is why no one is ever going to like him. If you can’t act mature, any little thing you do is going to get blown out of proportion and no one will ever become endeared toward you. > > It’s circular and the easiest way to end it would be to grow up. I’m not holding my breath for such an occurrence. Just want to say, we freaking love him in Minnesota. UM alum, lives and trains in Minneapolis, fairly active in the community. The bar I went to was packed and you should have heard the eruption when Lesner won. Frank Mir was talking a lot of shit about Lesner pre-fight and I think Lesner really wanted to prove something. He didn’t tap gloves at the beginning of the match and kept up his intensity from there. When the crowd booed him, he probably saw it as a homer crowd (Mir is from Vegas) and just flipped out. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brock-lesnar-is-a-jerk/502749/33 "2009-07-13T23:27:55Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > UFC has him billed at 265 pounds? Okay, that’s ridiculous. He’s got to be up in the 280 range now. He was reportedly at 285 when he tried out for the Vikings. The UFC doesn’t “bill” their fighters’ weight the way the WWF does. The state athletic commissions weigh them in. He cuts weight to get down to the 265lb Heavyweight limit. ---
**Author:** ![acetylene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@acetylene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/acetylene)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2009, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brock-lesnar-is-a-jerk/502749/34 "2009-07-13T23:35:15Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > UFC has him billed at 265 pounds? Okay, that’s ridiculous. He’s got to be up in the 280 range now. He was reportedly at 285 when he tried out for the Vikings. Uh, yeah, they all do that. They cut SERIOUS weight during the days leading up to the weigh-ins by dehydrating themselves. They do it in the sauna, mostly. Then they drink a lot of Gatorade and Pedialyte to rehydrate themselves. how do you think they always weigh _exactly_ what they are supposed to? Haven’t you ever watched The Ultimate Fighter? I met and talked to Rich Franlkin when he was the MW Champ and when he was a few months away from his fight with David Louiseau at 185 lbs. I asked him what weight he was walking around at and he said about 205. (Fun fact: My BIL remarked that he looked like Jim Carrey and he told us that is where he got the nickname “Ace”) ETA: Cisco beat me to it ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brock-lesnar-is-a-jerk/502749/35 "2009-07-14T19:36:54Z")
I watched the pay-per-view. After the fight, when Lesner was walking out of the ring, he was led out by his wife (I presume). The last “live” shot I saw of him was taken from the front as they were in the tunnel (returning to the locker/green room). His wife DID NOT look happy. She looked like she was sad and dissapointed. (Not angry.) Did anyone else see that? I wonder if he was so pumped up that he said something dick-ish to her, too, on the way out of the ring. (Or maybe she just doesn’t like this side of his personality.) ---
**Author:** ![Kal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9de053/32.png) [@Kal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kal)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brock-lesnar-is-a-jerk/502749/36 "2009-07-14T19:45:52Z")
> [@mlees](#): > > Did anyone else see that? Just watched it again after reading your post. She seemed quite happy and was smiling for the main part. There was a slight look of concern when a fan did what seemed to be a throat slit gesture. ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brock-lesnar-is-a-jerk/502749/37 "2009-07-14T20:43:11Z")
> [@Kal](#): > > Just watched it again after reading your post. She seemed quite happy and was smiling for the main part. There was a slight look of concern when a fan did what seemed to be a throat slit gesture. I missed that part. ---
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brock-lesnar-is-a-jerk/502749/38 "2009-07-14T21:04:55Z")
She’s a brave, brave woman. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brock-lesnar-is-a-jerk/502749/39 "2009-07-14T21:12:19Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > The UFC doesn’t “bill” their fighters’ weight the way the WWF does. The state athletic commissions weigh them in. He cuts weight to get down to the 265lb Heavyweight limit. Huh. I didn’t know MMA had an upper weight limit so I assumed heavyweights didn’t have to suck weight. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2009, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/brock-lesnar-is-a-jerk/502749/40 "2009-07-14T21:38:16Z")
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