# Bronze medal Athlete fidgets and fusses during national anthem **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** olympic-sports-track\ **Created:** [June 28, 2021, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bronze-medal-athlete-fidgets-and-fusses-during-national-anthem/945174 "2021-06-28T12:04:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2021, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bronze-medal-athlete-fidgets-and-fusses-during-national-anthem/945174/101 "2021-06-29T19:33:15Z")
There is no evidence it was intentional, my guess would be it was not intentional. That being said it wouldn’t necessarily shock me if it was, I suspect the person running the anthem is some volunteer in a booth for an event like this, and maybe he didn’t like her and was fucking with her. All I’m suggesting is it isn’t _crazy_ to think it could have happened, not that it actually did. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2021, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bronze-medal-athlete-fidgets-and-fusses-during-national-anthem/945174/102 "2021-06-29T19:34:44Z")
If it was played at the same time every day, _except_ the day that she had a medal ceremony, and on that day, it was played at the time of the medal ceremony, what would you conclude? ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2021, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bronze-medal-athlete-fidgets-and-fusses-during-national-anthem/945174/103 "2021-06-29T19:35:47Z")
It seems like that is assuming a conspiracy when it may have just been a coincidence. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2021, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bronze-medal-athlete-fidgets-and-fusses-during-national-anthem/945174/104 "2021-06-29T19:37:34Z")
It quite possibly was a coincidence that the only time that they played the anthem at a time other than 5:20 was when she was on the podium. But, if you were there, on the podium, and the anthem, which you were told would not be played while you were on the anthem starts to play, what would you think? ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2021, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bronze-medal-athlete-fidgets-and-fusses-during-national-anthem/945174/105 "2021-06-29T19:37:53Z")
The ideal solution would be to cut back on playings of the national anthem to the bare minimum necessary. International sporting events, like USA vs. some-other-nation at the FIFA World Cup? Sure. Every single NFL, NBA or MLB game? Not needed. Like **silenus** said, I’m tired of performative patriotism. That’s all external performance. Show me real, sincere patriotism. ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2021, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bronze-medal-athlete-fidgets-and-fusses-during-national-anthem/945174/106 "2021-06-29T19:42:13Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > But, if you were there, on the podium, and the anthem, which you were told would not be played while you were on the anthem starts to play, what would you think? From the articles I’ve read, I get the sense that the organizers made a general announcement to all athletes about the timing of the anthem rather than telling Berry specifically. That is, I don’t get the sense that they spoke to her directly about the timing of the anthem to ensure she specifically didn’t have to stand while it was playing. I can understand her thinking it was done deliberately, but at this point I’m thinking she’s jumping to conclusions. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2021, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bronze-medal-athlete-fidgets-and-fusses-during-national-anthem/945174/107 "2021-06-29T19:42:42Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > but it is not protected by law. There’s a very big space between ‘not protected by law’ and ‘opposed by and prosecuted by the government’. Let’s have an example. Police killing helpless prisoners has never been protected by law, but the government didn’t do a thing to stop it until we had bystanders filming them with cellphones and crowds of angry people like Gwen Berry demanding justice. Even then, the President of this wonderful, honorable, country tells cops “don’t be too nice” to prisoners. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2021, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bronze-medal-athlete-fidgets-and-fusses-during-national-anthem/945174/108 "2021-06-29T19:52:22Z")
> [@filmore](#): > > I can understand her thinking it was done deliberately, but at this point I’m thinking she’s jumping to conclusions. In ordinary times I would probably agree with you. But these aren’t ordinary times. I’m going to go with “set-up” until it is proven otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2021, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bronze-medal-athlete-fidgets-and-fusses-during-national-anthem/945174/109 "2021-06-29T19:56:25Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > The ideal solution would be to cut back on playings of the national anthem to the bare minimum necessary. International sporting events, like USA vs. some-other-nation at the FIFA World Cup? Sure. Every single NFL, NBA or MLB game? Not needed. Agreed. But that’d be almost impossible in the political situation today. Look at what happened when the Dallas Mavericks decided not to play the national anthem. ---
**Author:** ![chela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chela/32/21582_2.png) [@chela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chela)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2021, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bronze-medal-athlete-fidgets-and-fusses-during-national-anthem/945174/110 "2021-06-29T20:01:23Z")
Okay she was pissed and it showed and she went on record and explained why. What would she like to see happen wrt the NA? Delay the anthem until the lights go out in the stadium to appease the triggered? But then you’ll take away their protest podium and stifle their 1A rights? ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2021, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bronze-medal-athlete-fidgets-and-fusses-during-national-anthem/945174/111 "2021-06-29T20:04:26Z")
> [@chela](#): > > Delay the anthem until the lights go out in the stadium to appease the triggered? It doesn’t appears like she’s the triggered one here. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2021, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bronze-medal-athlete-fidgets-and-fusses-during-national-anthem/945174/112 "2021-06-29T20:05:34Z")
Personally, I’m more offended by DJT dry-humping the flag on stage and by his supporters bringing the Confederate flag into the Capitol, but that’s just me. ---
**Author:** ![sciurophobic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cab0a1/32.png) [@sciurophobic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sciurophobic)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2021, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bronze-medal-athlete-fidgets-and-fusses-during-national-anthem/945174/113 "2021-06-29T20:06:28Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > If it was played at the same time every day, _except_ the day that she had a medal ceremony, and on that day, it was played at the time of the medal ceremony, what would you conclude? That they thought playing the national anthem during a medal ceremony was a noncontroversial thing to do. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2021, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bronze-medal-athlete-fidgets-and-fusses-during-national-anthem/945174/114 "2021-06-29T20:24:34Z")
> [@sciurophobic](#): > > That they thought playing the national anthem during a medal ceremony was a noncontroversial thing to do. Did they forgot about the 12 month probations they gave her (and another athlete) for protesting on the podium at the Pan Am Games? I guess it’s possible, since they forgot when they had scheduled playing the anthem. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2021, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bronze-medal-athlete-fidgets-and-fusses-during-national-anthem/945174/115 "2021-06-29T21:01:51Z")
Brat. Thank God we now have a word that smooths the curve between “uppity” and “thug”. ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2021, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bronze-medal-athlete-fidgets-and-fusses-during-national-anthem/945174/116 "2021-06-29T21:35:59Z")
Well, something had to replace “urban”, what with all of the gentrification going on. Singular whistles just get too obvious sometimes. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2021, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bronze-medal-athlete-fidgets-and-fusses-during-national-anthem/945174/117 "2021-06-29T21:48:07Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > The ideal solution would be to cut back on playings of the national anthem to the bare minimum necessary. International sporting events, like USA vs. some-other-nation at the FIFA World Cup? Sure. Well, I actually think we could even skip it there. The bare minimum would military parades and maybe on July 4th. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2021, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bronze-medal-athlete-fidgets-and-fusses-during-national-anthem/945174/118 "2021-06-29T22:05:52Z")
> [@chela](#): > > Okay she was pissed and it showed and she went on record and explained why. > What would she like to see happen wrt the NA? Who gives a crap? She gets to decide _what she does_. She can exercise her First Amendment rights as she sees fit, _and does so_. She’s free to criticize, just like you’re free to criticize _her_, and just like yet other folks are free to criticize _you_ — and in the wake of all of that, the anthem can, well, _still get played_, regardless of what she’d like to see happen, right? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2021, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bronze-medal-athlete-fidgets-and-fusses-during-national-anthem/945174/119 "2021-06-29T22:06:19Z")
Ffs, dalej consistently using language like “brat,” “child,” “toddler,” “tantrum,” to describe people of color that he disagrees with is barely better than calling a black man “boy.” It’s 100% meant to diminish the person he’s talking about. How is this type of language allowed here? ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2021, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bronze-medal-athlete-fidgets-and-fusses-during-national-anthem/945174/120 "2021-06-29T22:08:31Z")
> [@ParallelLines](#): > > I’ll add to the pile of ‘she worked hard to get there, she doesn’t have to care for the flag or the anthem, and her history gives reason to _dislike_ the flag and anthem’ OK major confuzzlment. Are our teams sent off to the Olympics _representing_ the US or not? If not, can I go compete in as Aruvqan, or am I there as Aruvqan Citizen of the US ? Is there not a name indicating that it is Team US, with spiffy red white and blue track suits … [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bronze-medal-athlete-fidgets-and-fusses-during-national-anthem/945174.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bronze-medal-athlete-fidgets-and-fusses-during-national-anthem/945174.md?page=7)