# Broomstick - Does His Ass Say rebeW or Not? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 19, 2015, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broomstick-does-his-ass-say-rebew-or-not/715343 "2015-03-19T00:28:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broomstick-does-his-ass-say-rebew-or-not/715343/381 "2015-11-17T04:23:02Z")
I’ve known (and worked for!) people like **broomstick** , and after the questions about the facts of the story, we need to ask a bigger one. Did she read about the story or hear about it and make it her own? Or, did she really know the family well enough to say “I still miss the man…” and that she’s “happy to say his sons carry on his legacy, but they still miss their father every day.” That implies a closeness that most from that area aren’t privy to, even if they are “neighbors”. The ‘creative recollectors’ I’ve known will conflate things in their mind, to a degree that they come to truly believe whatever version of the story is the most sensational, or paints them in the most dramatic light. ---
**Author:** ![Sateryn76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e4f/32.png) [@Sateryn76](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sateryn76)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broomstick-does-his-ass-say-rebew-or-not/715343/382 "2015-11-17T04:36:20Z")
I live in the area - as a matter of fact, that restaurant is just a few businesses down from my sister’s old hair salon. From all the coverage surrounding that murder, it appears that it was just a small time robbery/murder. His family alleged racial influences, but I have never heard of any evidence that that is the case. In regard to the refusal to be on America’s most wanted, his restaurant was in a town called Merrilliville, which has been under attack from the bad citizens of Gary, who are slowly moving south into Merrillville and have destroyed the school system and property values. I am sure that the Merrillville police wanted that story buried as soon as possible, because of the location of the murder – it is near the south west border of the town, on the opposite side from Gary, and they don’t want people to think the entire town is infested with criminals. I will further note that the neighborhood directly behind that business plaza is known as “Drug America”, a takeoff on its actual name of Young America. In addition, the entire area is surrounded by section 8 housing and has taken a serious hit. Sateryn 76 - former 20 year Merrillvile Resident ETA: that restaurant is about 20 minutes away from where I believe broomstick lives – not in her “neighborhood” ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broomstick-does-his-ass-say-rebew-or-not/715343/383 "2015-11-17T05:42:14Z")
> [@Surreal](#): > > It did not. The very cite you linked to above says he was killed on Sept. 9, 2006. > > Lots of random calendar days will be in the vicinity of some particular anniversary of 9/11. That’s hardly proof that it was a hate crime. You are correct and I suck. The shooting occurred the morning after, “Local law enforcement and FBI officials prayed for peace with area Muslims one Friday night at a Merrillville mosque to mark the impending fifth anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.” I admit that it’s not clear whether it was a hate crime or not, but if it wasn’t it was a botched robbery. They happen. The family maintains that the crooks missed a thick wad of bills in a desk that they rifled through. And the daily preparations were a little off apparently. I maintain the family’s reasoning is not unfounded. The link provides other similarly circumstantial evidence: [NASEEB MOHAMMED: Restaurant owner's case mysterious to family](http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/naseeb-mohammed-restaurant-owner-s-case-mysterious-to-family/article_49ac03c8-fd8b-51b4-8811-118701aed994.html) ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broomstick-does-his-ass-say-rebew-or-not/715343/384 "2015-11-17T14:42:40Z")
> [@digs](#): > > The ‘creative recollectors’ I’ve known will conflate things in their mind, to a degree that they come to truly believe whatever version of the story is the most sensational, or paints them in the most dramatic light. Creative-reflectors-with-very-large-literary-licenses-and-wild-imaginations is the polite way to say that. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broomstick-does-his-ass-say-rebew-or-not/715343/385 "2015-11-17T17:43:02Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > I’m not talking about her memory of eight years ago, she contradicted herself in the same gosh darn post! > > “His family found him, here’s a link to more information”. > > Her own link said that the employees found him. > [@Fuck you, Rowan County (KY) Clerk Kim Davis](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fuck-you-rowan-county-ky-clerk-kim-davis/727757/67): > > why bother getting outraged about things that you have no control over, and have nothing to do with you? … ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broomstick-does-his-ass-say-rebew-or-not/715343/386 "2015-11-17T18:07:45Z")
Damn, is this thread back _again??_ Now I’m gonna have “rebeW, rebeW, your ass is a mess” going through my head all afternoon. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broomstick-does-his-ass-say-rebew-or-not/715343/387 "2015-11-17T18:48:28Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > The family maintains that the crooks missed a thick wad of bills in a desk that they rifled through. And the daily preparations were a little off apparently. I maintain the family’s reasoning is not unfounded. I dont get the family’s reasoning at all. How does the notion that it was a hate crime explain either of these supposed anomalies? Why does a guy committing a hate crime rifle through drawers and leave thick wads of bills? And how would that account for a change in when the pita was made for the day? ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broomstick-does-his-ass-say-rebew-or-not/715343/388 "2015-11-17T23:12:56Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > I dont get the family’s reasoning at all. > > How does the notion that it was a hate crime explain either of these supposed anomalies? Why does a guy committing a hate crime rifle through drawers and leave thick wads of bills? And how would that account for a change in when the pita was made for the day? I take it the argument is that a robber would have located the large stash of money and not stopped at ~$150. Now the robber could have been on drugs. But ISTM that these anomalies deserved investigation. Whether they received investigation isn’t clear from the articles. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broomstick-does-his-ass-say-rebew-or-not/715343/389 "2015-11-17T23:29:03Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > I take it the argument is that a robber would have located the large stash of money and not stopped at ~$150. But if the claim is that the guy rifled through those very drawers, then whoever it was was looking for something. What would a hate crimes guy have been looking for? And even if the guy was really not primarily motivated by money, it doesn’t make sense for the guy to just leave it after he already found it anyway in the drawer. Bottom line is that whatever the guy’s motive was, he missed the money despite (allegedly) looking through that very drawer. I don’t see why one type of guy misses it more than the other. I don’t see what the police could add by investigating the anomaly. I mean, I suppose they could possibly confirm that the guy really rifled through that drawer if they have fingerprints connected to the murder. But that would still leave them at a dead end as to why he missed the money. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broomstick-does-his-ass-say-rebew-or-not/715343/390 "2015-11-17T23:31:31Z")
So is there confirmation on the scar/burn of rebeW yet? Where’d she go? ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2015, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broomstick-does-his-ass-say-rebew-or-not/715343/391 "2015-11-18T00:40:00Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Wow, you’re dumber than Dr. Deth. Given your stupidity, your willful ignorance, and your singular lack of imagination (one that makes a single dimension view seem like Vivid 3-D Technicolor), I’ll take that as a compliment. By the way, nice reference to quotes on That Other Message Board about **Dr Deth**. Even I wouldn’t do that in The Pit. Nice Move…! 😃 > [@D\_Anconia](#): > > It wasn’t eight years, it was all in one fucking post, #68 of the thread in question. Her first post in the thread, Oh Assholey Trollie, mentions her memory of something that happened in her neighborhood of someone she knew. Thats right, Lite-Brite, memory of what happened in her neighborhood… a murder that happened 8 years ago. A Memory of 8 years ago. Read it again. Still don’t get that? Go Read It Fucking Again. When **Surreal** tried to subtley play the “You’re A Liar” card, she posted a second time about it, an article to effictively prove that, yes, this man did exist and yes he was murdered. Her only error she admitted in the third post was saying that she thought the family found him when an employee found him. That’s the point which you so gleefully harp on, Troll. Now… imagine knowing a person who died violently. Tell me that normal people will go up to the greaving family (at the Viewing perhaps?) and grill them about who discovered the body. No, normal people don’t do that. Ignorant Internet Trolls with Zero social skills might (or might say they might), but in reality that doesn’t happen too often. (Perhaps that’s a shame, as the ass-kicking that would follow would be both well deserved AND entertaining.) You see, just because you Read it 15 minutes ago, Dr D’Anconia, doesn’t mean it Happened 15 minutes ago. Now… diddums I spoon-feed that to you enough that your small mind can comprehend it and still chew Hubba-Bubba gum? :dubious: > [@D\_Anconia](#): > > I never said a word to, or even about **Ambivalid** , and I never complained about the Capital Gains Tax. Funny, here are **the quotes** exposing that as a lie: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=18848792#post18848792](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=18848792#post18848792) > [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ambivalid/737174/137): > > > [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ambivalid/737174/131): > > > > [That’s what’s so damn funny about Boo Boo Foo’s and D’Anconia’s assumptions that he must be some kind of helpless invalid, too weak to even pick up a Kleenex.](http://i.imgur.com/1UWghAE.jpg) > > I made no such assumption. I only said that making such an assumption is not automatically “bigoted.” > [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ambivalid/737174/111): > > > [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ambivalid/737174/109): > > > > It’s probably a pretty minor form of bigotry, but I think it qualifies. It’s prejudging someone, in a negative way (by assuming that they can’t take care of themselves), based on some physical characteristic. > > Everyone prejudges, but not everything is bigotry. > > Disparaging people? Refusing service? Bigotry. > > Assuming someone might need help? Not bigotry. > > What about the old-fashioned “Boy Scout helps little old lady across the street” story? Is the Boy Scout bigoted for assuming she needs help? If a man holds a door open for a lady, is he “bigoted”, since he might be assuming she can’t do it herself? > > Of course not. > [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ambivalid/737174/104): > > If “assuming that someone in a wheelchair needs 24/7 care” is bigotry, the word has lost all meaning. Now, in the thread marked “Ambivalid”, just whose wheelchair might be the topic of conversation? Could it be… _looks left__looks right_ … **Ambivalid’s**? :dubious: > [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ambivalid/737174/104): > > Cite where I said either one Cited. Here’s a lollipop. Go Suck It. > [@Bricker](#): > > **Boo Boo Foo** recently started a Pit thread about Ambivalid – perhaps you are mistaken about this claim? Or perhaps I failed to notice another instance involving Ambivalid, one in which D’Aconia was picking on him? And I also missed the Capital Gains thing–was that another mistaken identity? Or was it my miss? Perhaps you ARE mistaken, **Bricker**. That was the thread. I said he posted in it, not that he started it. That’d be your first error, **Bricker**. Thanks for admitting it. The discussion was about Ambivalid, about a wheelchair, and assuming someone in a wheelchair needed 24-hr care. Here’s a quote from him: > [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ambivalid/737174/104): > > assuming that someone in a wheelchair needs 24/7 care Now **Bricker** , as a make-up question to off-set your mistake, from that same thread here is an easy question: In the thread titled “Ambivalid”, who… either posting or mentioned in that thread… actually uses a wheelchair…? No help from the audience. You have 30 seconds. **cue Jeopardy music** (Its OK, **Bricker**. Thanks for admitting your mistake. Again. 😛 ) > [@Bricker](#): > > And I also missed the Capital Gains thing–was that another mistaken identity? Or was it my miss? Quote and Link (And yes, that Was another mistake On Your Part): [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=18854622#post18854622](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=18854622#post18854622) > [@Should long term capital gains be taxed progressively?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-long-term-capital-gains-be-taxed-progressively/737313/12): > > Progressive tax rates ARE government social engineering. > [@Should long term capital gains be taxed progressively?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-long-term-capital-gains-be-taxed-progressively/737313/26): > > Yep. The primary purpose of progressive tax rates is to reduce income inequality. That’s government social engineering, by definition. That was your Miss, **Bricker**. Yes, **there will be no joy in Mudslingingville tonight.** _waves bye-bye to **Bricker** _ ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2015, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broomstick-does-his-ass-say-rebew-or-not/715343/392 "2015-11-18T01:08:29Z")
> [@Count\_Blucher](#): > > Perhaps you ARE mistaken, **Bricker**. That was the thread. I said he posted in it, not that he started it. That’d be your first error, **Bricker**. Thanks for admitting it. > > The discussion was about Ambivalid, about a wheelchair, and assuming someone in a wheelchair needed 24-hr care. Here’s a quote from him: I’m sorry, but I’m having a little trouble seeing how that quote constitutes “picking on” Ambivalid. Here is the full quote: > [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ambivalid/737174/104): > > If “assuming that someone in a wheelchair needs 24/7 care” is bigotry, the word has lost all meaning. That, by you, is “picking on?” > [@](#): > > (Its OK, **Bricker**. Thanks for admitting your mistake. Again. 😛 ) > > Quote and Link (And yes, that Was another mistake On Your Part): > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=18854622#post18854622](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=18854622#post18854622) > > That was your Miss, **Bricker**. Yes, **there will be no joy in Mudslingingville tonight.** > > _waves bye-bye to **Bricker** _ I’m sorry, but I am still confused. You are quoting his comments about “progressive tax rates,” and I asked about your accusation that he inveighed against the capital gains tax. Those are different subjects, as you are undoubtedly aware. So again I ask: where is this attack from D’A against capital gains tax? And in what way does his denial of wheelchair users’ per se need for 24x7 care constitute “picking on?” ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2015, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broomstick-does-his-ass-say-rebew-or-not/715343/393 "2015-11-18T01:42:52Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > But if the claim is that the guy rifled through those very drawers, then whoever it was was looking for something. What would a hate crimes guy have been looking for? And even if the guy was really not primarily motivated by money, it doesn’t make sense for the guy to just leave it after he already found it anyway in the drawer. Let’s go to the original quote: [INDENT][INDENT] Banded stacks of cash in the office desk were untouched, Ghassan Mohammed said, even though the drawers were opened.[/INDENT][/INDENT] Together with the $150 stolen, that looks like a sloppy way of trying to make it look like a robbery. Heh. I guess I’ve watched too many late night movies. Performing a hate crime while simultaneously making it look like something else doesn’t sound right. I wasn’t thinking hard enough: while (say) a disgruntled employee might want to paper over a true motive, it’s harder to see why a hate crime perp would do so. Unless the $150 theft was done on an impulse. But then, why the opened drawer? > **[NASEEB MOHAMMED: Restaurant owner's case mysterious to family](https://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/naseeb-mohammed-restaurant-owners-case-mysterious-to-family/article_49ac03c8-fd8b-51b4-8811-118701aed994.html)** > > MERRILLVILLE | Local law enforcement and FBI officials prayed for peace with area Muslims one Friday night at a Merrillville mosque to mark the impending fifth anniversary of the Sept. Another article: [http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2006-09-12/news/0609120260\_1\_hate-mosque-crime](http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2006-09-12/news/0609120260_1_hate-mosque-crime) ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2015, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broomstick-does-his-ass-say-rebew-or-not/715343/394 "2015-11-18T01:55:53Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I’m sorry, but I’m having a little trouble seeing how that quote constitutes “picking on” Ambivalid. > > Here is the full quote: > > That, by you, is “picking on?” > > I’m sorry, but I am still confused. You are quoting his comments about “progressive tax rates,” and I asked about your accusation that he inveighed against the capital gains tax. > > Those are different subjects, as you are undoubtedly aware. > > So again I ask: where is this attack from D’A against capital gains tax? And in what way does his denial of wheelchair users’ per se need for 24x7 care constitute “picking on?” **Bricker** , go carry your goal posts into the next county. I proved what I said, and beyond that, you’re just not worth wasting time on. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2015, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broomstick-does-his-ass-say-rebew-or-not/715343/395 "2015-11-18T03:51:56Z")
**Bricker** hasn’t moved any goal posts. You, on the other hand, are throwing out baseless accusations about things posters have never even said. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2015, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broomstick-does-his-ass-say-rebew-or-not/715343/396 "2015-11-18T16:21:52Z")
> [@Count\_Blucher](#): > > **Bricker** , go carry your goal posts into the next county. I proved what I said, and beyond that, you’re just not worth wasting time on. Do you somehow believe that “progressive tax rates” is the same issue as “capital gains tax?” That must be it. They are quite different. A capital gains tax is a tax on the extra money you earn when you sell something for more than you paid for it. Progressive tax rates are, in general, tax rates that are lower for lower incomes. A capital gains tax can be regressive or progressive. There’s no shame in not knowing things. The shame is in steadfastly refusing to admit error and learn. I am still open to seeing some other link in which D’Anconia criticized the capital gains tax. But the only “proof” you adduced had nothing to do with capital gains. You’re mad and embarrassed now, and that probably means you’re even less likely to want to admit error. But the problem with simply doubling down on your mistake is that almost everyone reading this knows what a capital gains tax is already. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2015, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broomstick-does-his-ass-say-rebew-or-not/715343/397 "2015-11-18T20:49:10Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > You, on the other hand, are throwing out baseless accusations about things posters have never even said. Oh, STFU! I proved every single point I said I would, you disingenuous lying sack of shit. Fuck Off, Troll…! ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2015, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broomstick-does-his-ass-say-rebew-or-not/715343/398 "2015-11-18T21:06:09Z")
> [@Count\_Blucher](#): > > I proved every single point I said I would No, you didn’t. Everyone can read the all of the posts, both yours and mine. Where did I “whine about capital gains taxes?” All you have to do is provide a link to the post where I did, but you cannot. Perhaps you’re overdue for your nap? ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2015, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broomstick-does-his-ass-say-rebew-or-not/715343/399 "2015-11-18T21:10:27Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Perhaps you’re overdue for your nap? That’s not it. There’s an old lawyers’ adage: “… and if neither the facts nor the law are on your side, pound the table.” 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2015, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/broomstick-does-his-ass-say-rebew-or-not/715343/400 "2015-11-18T22:33:01Z")
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