# Brown's gotta get fired right?
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/browns-gotta-get-fired-right/320796
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [September 9, 2005, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/browns-gotta-get-fired-right/320796 "2005-09-09T11:39:29Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Trunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trunk)
#### Post date: [September 9, 2005, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/browns-gotta-get-fired-right/320796/1 "2005-09-09T11:39:29Z")
I mean, they gotta fire somebody over some fuck up someday, right?
Apparently, his last job had to do with International Arabian Horse Association program. His previous disaster management experience has been exposed as not muhc more than an [internship](http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050909/pl_nm/brown_dc).
Can this administration never admit it made a mistake about anything? Just toss me ONE freakin’ bone. Show me that you understand at the most basic level the concept of accountability.
For future adminstrations. . .I don’t begrudge you appointing your nincompoop friends to jobs they get paid too highly for. But keep it to things like the Arabian Horse Association, not the Federal Fucking Emergency Management Head.
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### Author:  [@Shagnasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagnasty)
#### Post date: [September 9, 2005, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/browns-gotta-get-fired-right/320796/2 "2005-09-09T11:49:34Z")
What if the damage from Katrina had been centered mainly on horse farms? You would be praising his appointment then right?
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### Author:  [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)
#### Post date: [September 9, 2005, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/browns-gotta-get-fired-right/320796/3 "2005-09-09T12:02:58Z")
Well, his credentials appear to have been fudged. And he appears to have been uninformed on some of the most basic facts regarding his knowledge of the situation. And he doesn’t appear to be able to think on his feet. But other than that, he’s doing a bang-up job. The president thanked him for a fine performance. I think we need to proceed based on that.
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### Author:  [@Silentgoldfish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silentgoldfish)
#### Post date: [September 9, 2005, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/browns-gotta-get-fired-right/320796/4 "2005-09-09T12:03:24Z")
Please. Like he’s not going to get a medal for …something.
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### Author:  [@lno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lno)
#### Post date: [September 9, 2005, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/browns-gotta-get-fired-right/320796/5 "2005-09-09T12:06:08Z")
Now, it’s not the time to play the “blame game” – I’m sure Brownie’s doing a bang up job down there, you know. He’s leading FEMA, and ordering supplies to New Orleans – did you know that over 50,000 troops have been dedicated to the task? See, this is people helping people. But the most important thing is that we’re defending our democracy by taking the fight to the terrorists abroad, and I think America understands that, and appreciates that, and that is why we are not going to bow down to the wishes of terrorists.
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### Author:  [@Slacker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slacker)
#### Post date: [September 9, 2005, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/browns-gotta-get-fired-right/320796/6 "2005-09-09T12:48:56Z")
> [@lno](#):
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> Now, it’s not the time to play the “blame game” – I’m sure Brownie’s doing a bang up job down there, you know. He’s leading FEMA, and ordering supplies to New Orleans – did you know that over 50,000 troops have been dedicated to the task? See, this is people helping people. But the most important thing is that we’re defending our democracy by taking the fight to the terrorists abroad, and I think America understands that, and appreciates that, and that is why we are not going to bow down to the wishes of terrorists.
Amen. I can’t believe how many people are blame gaming. Now’s not the time for the blame game. There’s a problem, and the Bush administration are problem solvers. There will be plenty of time to look at what happened and play the blame game a few years from now, when the disaster is merely cold facts and figures in a report instead of wailing faces on our TVs.
And Brownie’s doing a heck of a job, idn’t he folks? Let’s give him some mild applause. All right!
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### Author:  [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)
#### Post date: [September 9, 2005, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/browns-gotta-get-fired-right/320796/7 "2005-09-09T12:57:14Z")
Name one member of Bush’s administration who was ever fired for fucking up. Name one.
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### Author:  [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)
#### Post date: [September 9, 2005, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/browns-gotta-get-fired-right/320796/8 "2005-09-09T13:03:20Z")
Hell, someone please name one that the administration has ever even publicly admitted to have fucked up.
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### Author:  [@Genghis\_Bob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Genghis_Bob)
#### Post date: [September 9, 2005, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/browns-gotta-get-fired-right/320796/9 "2005-09-09T13:06:46Z")
“Hey, we’re fuck-uppers. That’s what we do. We up . . . fuck.”
Or something.
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### Author:  [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)
#### Post date: [September 9, 2005, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/browns-gotta-get-fired-right/320796/10 "2005-09-09T13:08:20Z")
> [@Genghis Bob](#):
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> “Hey, we’re fuck-uppers. That’s what we do. We up . . . fuck.”
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> Or something.
And it’s hard. It’s hard work to fuckup.
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### Author:  [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)
#### Post date: [September 9, 2005, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/browns-gotta-get-fired-right/320796/11 "2005-09-09T13:10:08Z")
> [@Fear Itself](#):
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> Name one member of Bush’s administration who was ever fired for fucking up. Name one.
Did Richard Clarke get fired? His fucking up having nothing to do with, you know, “the job” and more to do with, you know, “doubting The Leader”.
Or there’s Ari Fleischer. I don’t believe for a second he left for ‘family reasons’ or whatever BS excuse he used.
So, maybe. But a crony court has a different definition of “fucking up” than you or I.
-Joe
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### Author:  [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)
#### Post date: [September 9, 2005, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/browns-gotta-get-fired-right/320796/12 "2005-09-09T13:10:11Z")
Well, I submit that C. Powell couldn’t get with the program and was politely encouraged to exit gracefully. I mean, either you’re a team player or you’re with the terrorists. Right?
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### Author:  [@Slacker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slacker)
#### Post date: [September 9, 2005, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/browns-gotta-get-fired-right/320796/13 "2005-09-09T13:17:45Z")
Yeah, what did happen to Ari?
Maybe they met Scott “Puffy McMoonface” McClellan and were so overwhelmed by his commanding presence and articulate speaking that Ari just had to go. 😉
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### Author:  [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)
#### Post date: [September 9, 2005, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/browns-gotta-get-fired-right/320796/14 "2005-09-09T13:25:31Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#):
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> Well, I submit that C. Powell couldn’t get with the program and was politely encouraged to exit gracefully. I mean, either you’re a team player or you’re with the terrorists. Right?
Yup yup, ya just can’t trust those darn generals Commie traitors, every one of them. 😃
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### Author:  [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)
#### Post date: [September 9, 2005, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/browns-gotta-get-fired-right/320796/15 "2005-09-09T13:29:56Z")
I got it! Bertie Gonzales will don black robes and Brown will become AG!
It all fits with the “one fuck up and you’re promoted” concept.
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### Author:  [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)
#### Post date: [September 9, 2005, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/browns-gotta-get-fired-right/320796/16 "2005-09-09T13:33:27Z")
> [@Merijeek](#):
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> So, maybe. But a crony court has a different definition of “fucking up” than you or I.
Apparently, fucking up means protecting the interests of the people instead of the President.
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### Author:  [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)
#### Post date: [September 9, 2005, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/browns-gotta-get-fired-right/320796/17 "2005-09-09T13:40:47Z")
Here’s a [link to the Times.com story](http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1103003,00.html?cnn=yes) with the full text, wherein we learn that Mikey’s qualifications for the job include resume-padding: Listing himself as
> [@](#):
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> “Outstanding Political Science Professor, Central State University”. However, Brown “wasn’t a professor here, he was only a student here,” says Charles Johnson, News Bureau Director in the University Relations office at the University of Central Oklahoma (formerly named Central State University). “He may have been an adjunct instructor,” says Johnson, but that title is very different from that of “professor.”
And then there’s this:
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> Brown states that from 1983 to the present he has been director of the Oklahoma Christian Home, a nursing home in Edmond. But an administrator with the Home, told TIME that Brown is “not a person that anyone here is familiar with.” She says there was a board of directors until a couple of years ago, but she couldn’t find anyone who recalled him being on it. According to FEMA’s Andrews, Brown said “he’s never claimed to be the director of the home. He was on the board of directors, or governors of the nursing home.” However, a veteran employee at the center since 1981 says Brown “was never director here, was never on the board of directors, was never executive director. He was never here in any capacity. I never heard his name mentioned here.”
But hey! His boss at a previous job in a law firm had this stellar praise for the man:
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> “He did mainly transactional work, not litigation,” says Jones. “There was a feeling that he was not serious and somewhat shallow.” Jones says when his law firm split, Brown was one of two staffers who was let go.
So we shouldn’t be so hard on the guy. After all, in his responsibility-laden city manager position, he won the heart of his boss with these outstanding take-charge qualities:
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> “Yes. Mike Brown worked for me. He was my administrative assistant. He was a student at Central State University,” recalls former city manager Bill Dashner. “Mike used to handle a lot of details. Every now and again I’d ask him to write me a speech. He was very loyal. He was always on time. He always had on a suit and a starched white shirt.”
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### Author:  [@plnnr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/plnnr)
#### Post date: [September 9, 2005, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/browns-gotta-get-fired-right/320796/18 "2005-09-09T13:46:11Z")
Hey! I was actually the department head for a municipal agency once. I think I’d like to be named the Ambassador to Tahiti.
You may call me His Excellency, The Ambassador Plenipotentiary to Tahiti from now on.
Please, no genuflecting. You may, however, kiss my coconuts.
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### Author:  [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)
#### Post date: [September 9, 2005, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/browns-gotta-get-fired-right/320796/19 "2005-09-09T13:47:49Z")
> [@Fear Itself](#):
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> Apparently, fucking up means protecting the interests of the people instead of the President.
Hey…it’s the new Conservatism.
But I feel safer already. That’s what it’s all about, isn’t it?
-Joe
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### Author:  [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)
#### Post date: [September 9, 2005, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/browns-gotta-get-fired-right/320796/20 "2005-09-09T13:49:59Z")
Who…Brown? MIKE Brown? I’ve got my eye on him!!
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