# BSG: Gaeta Discussion \[Open Spoilers for recent season\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 8, 2009, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bsg-gaeta-discussion-open-spoilers-for-recent-season/484955 "2009-02-08T20:43:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bsg-gaeta-discussion-open-spoilers-for-recent-season/484955/21 "2009-02-09T15:09:49Z")
> [@Garula](#): > > The only woman shown to be in command of a ship turns out to be a maniacal bitch. Clearly the show is telling us that woman aren’t fit to be in command. The only black main character shot herself. Clearly the show is telling us that blacks are weak willed. Tyrol, representing the knuckle draggers, had a dysfunctional relationship with his wife. Clearly the show is telling us that blue collared workers have abusive relationships. I clearly read that paragraph as in Vizzini’s voice. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bsg-gaeta-discussion-open-spoilers-for-recent-season/484955/22 "2009-02-09T18:22:56Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > So the next option is… a Leoben. Also, eew. And, obsessed with Kara, so he’s probably off wanking… er, “talking to the Hybrid”… with his fantasies. Also, not so much an option. Hey! I’d give Leoben a go if I had girlie parts. Probably Doral too, but I always thought he was the gay Cylon. I also wonder if we’ll ever see Simon again. Even without an R-Hub, shouldn’t there still be a lot of Cylon models back in the colonies? It appeared they moved in pretty thoroughly. The actors must have other gigs. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bsg-gaeta-discussion-open-spoilers-for-recent-season/484955/23 "2009-02-09T19:59:46Z")
Any chance we could agree to keep spoilers out of the thread title? :mad: ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bsg-gaeta-discussion-open-spoilers-for-recent-season/484955/24 "2009-02-09T20:01:24Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Gays and lesbians breed just fine. In fact, they can make it happen far easier than those Cylons apparently can. Right but Admiral Cain had no interest in breeding. She only considered the military angle and essentially left her breeding civilians to die. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bsg-gaeta-discussion-open-spoilers-for-recent-season/484955/25 "2009-02-09T20:07:08Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Gays and lesbians breed just fine. In fact, they can make it happen far easier than those Cylons apparently can. Only if they go to the “dark side”…or buy a turkey baster… If only the Clyons had heard of Bed Bath and Beyond. All this violence could have been prevented. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bsg-gaeta-discussion-open-spoilers-for-recent-season/484955/26 "2009-02-09T20:17:42Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Right but Admiral Cain had no interest in breeding. She only considered the military angle and essentially left her breeding civilians to die. Yeah, Cain was faced with the same choice Adama had initially. Humanity is destroyed, so let’s take out as many of those bastards as we can before we die. Carry out the military mission to the end. Adama got stuck with that nagging Roslin and a civilian fleet to babysit, but it looked much more likely they could restart humanity. Adama was prepared to do exactly what Cain did, at first. Cain didn’t really inherit a fleet, and didn’t feel she had much chance of restarting humanity, so breeding would be a pretty low priority. She probably _required_ birth control for her personnel. That has nothing to do with her being lesbian, though. Being the Admiral was far more important to their situation than getting pregnant. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bsg-gaeta-discussion-open-spoilers-for-recent-season/484955/27 "2009-02-09T21:00:29Z")
> [@Knorf](#): > > Any chance we could agree to keep spoilers out of the thread title? > :mad: There aren’t any. Count me in with those saying sexual orientation is just not important for the BSG population, at least not as shown. Gaeta’s kissing Hoshi was just a toss-in. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bsg-gaeta-discussion-open-spoilers-for-recent-season/484955/28 "2009-02-09T21:30:31Z")
> [@The New and Improved Superman](#): > > Then, almost immediately after the webisodes take place, Gaeta’s character is changed from dependable, loyal CIC functionary to treacherous mutineer. True, he’s not nearly as cold-blooded as Zarek, but he is shown to betray everyone near & dear to him. Despite his bluster about Adama letting the fleet down, it’s pretty obvious that Gaeta is acting out of his own petty vengeful resentments rather than any real concern for the fleet. I can see your general point, but I disagree about the portrayal of Gaeta. I think his character remains sympathetic throughout the process; he’s angry and makes a terrible mistake, but it’s consistent with his character and, in many ways, quite understandable. He is, in fine BSG tradition, a remarkably realistic character. Tom Zarek is a dirty bastard, but I thought Felix Gaeta a tragic hero. He always tried to do what he thought was right; at the end his judgment was clouded by the extremity of the situation. They had to shoot him, but he didn’t deserve to be shot, if you know what I mean. His end is certainly no more horrible than Anastasia Dualla, who just blows her own brains out or her skull out of depression. At the risk of pointing out the obvious, can you tell me which characters AREN’T flawed? Really, the most standup guy is William Adama, who’s played by a Hispanic guy and who is portrayed as having a wide variety of personal problems. The female President is a scheming, corrupt politician who trusts her own religious fantasies more than any other human. The most prominent white guys are Dr. Gaius Baltar, who is an egomaniacal nutball, and Lee Adama, a moralistic prick who lathces onto ethics to avoid making judgmnents. The leading white (and straight) woman, Kara Thrace, is a mean bitch with more baggage than the belly of a 747. Other white, straight folk include an alcoholic robot (Saul Tigh, which basically makes him a less funny version of Bender) a big, violent jerk (Galen Tyrol) and a wide assortment of sociopathic robots. The only character who has no significant moral flaws is Karl Agathon, who makes up for it by being an idiot. I guess you could argue the various incarnations of Boomer/Athenas might be okay but frankly it’s hard to remember which is which. I don’t really see Gaeta as being much worse than a lot of those folks. Laura Roslyn tried to fix an election. The white guy who gets the most tail, Baltar, is portrayed as a twice-guilty traitor and an utter scumbag. Are they really worse than Felix Gaeta? ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bsg-gaeta-discussion-open-spoilers-for-recent-season/484955/29 "2009-02-09T21:58:44Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I don’t really see Gaeta as being much worse than a lot of those folks. Laura Roslyn tried to fix an election. The white guy who gets the most tail, Baltar, is portrayed as a twice-guilty traitor and an utter scumbag. Are they really worse than Felix Gaeta? Well, I agree everyone is flawed - even Helo my favorite - but not everyone who is flawed gets killed right after we find out they might be gay or bi. It’s a bit like you’re the black guy in a horror movie. Uh-oh, doomed. 🙂 But again, I’m not accusing Moore of homophobia. ---
**Author:** ![Uosdwis\_R.Dewoh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Uosdwis\_R.Dewoh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uosdwis_R.Dewoh)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2009, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bsg-gaeta-discussion-open-spoilers-for-recent-season/484955/30 "2009-02-09T22:31:56Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I don’t really see Gaeta as being much worse than a lot of those folks. Laura Roslyn tried to fix an election. The white guy who gets the most tail, Baltar, is portrayed as a twice-guilty traitor and an utter scumbag. Are they really worse than Felix Gaeta? Don’t forget Adama was planing on assassinating Admiral Cain. Gaeta tried to do what Adama didn’t have the guts for. Adam got lucky when the deranged Six killed Cain for him. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2009, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bsg-gaeta-discussion-open-spoilers-for-recent-season/484955/31 "2009-02-10T01:12:39Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > At the risk of pointing out the obvious, can you tell me which characters AREN’T flawed? Really, the most standup guy is William Adama, who’s played by a Hispanic guy and who is portrayed as having a wide variety of personal problems. The female President is a scheming, corrupt politician who trusts her own religious fantasies more than any other human. The most prominent white guys are Dr. Gaius Baltar, who is an egomaniacal nutball, and Lee Adama, a moralistic prick who lathces onto ethics to avoid making judgmnents. The leading white (and straight) woman, Kara Thrace, is a mean bitch with more baggage than the belly of a 747. Other white, straight folk include an alcoholic robot (Saul Tigh, which basically makes him a less funny version of Bender) a big, violent jerk (Galen Tyrol) and a wide assortment of sociopathic robots. The only character who has no significant moral flaws is Karl Agathon, who makes up for it by being an idiot. I guess you could argue the various incarnations of Boomer/Athenas might be okay but frankly it’s hard to remember which is which. I just had to chime in to say… this is a hilarious but deadly accurate description of the cast of BSG. Bravo! Best chuckle of the day. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2009, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bsg-gaeta-discussion-open-spoilers-for-recent-season/484955/32 "2009-02-10T02:11:17Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > There aren’t any. Calling it an “attempted” coup reveals that it failed. Though how anyone could believe Adama would be permanently displaced escapes me. ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2009, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bsg-gaeta-discussion-open-spoilers-for-recent-season/484955/33 "2009-02-10T02:41:13Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > a big, violent jerk (Galen Tyrol) I’ve always had the impression Tyrol was like 3-foot-4. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2009, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bsg-gaeta-discussion-open-spoilers-for-recent-season/484955/34 "2009-02-10T04:23:47Z")
> [@KneadToKnow](#): > > I’ve always had the impression Tyrol was like 3-foot-4. Aaron Douglas is 6’, according to IMDB, and built like a brick shithouse. ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2009, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bsg-gaeta-discussion-open-spoilers-for-recent-season/484955/35 "2009-02-10T12:13:40Z")
I am truly shocked by that. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2009, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bsg-gaeta-discussion-open-spoilers-for-recent-season/484955/36 "2009-02-10T16:38:20Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Calling it an “attempted” coup reveals that it failed. Which anyone who has bothered to watch last week’s episode already knows. > [@](#): > > Though how anyone could believe Adama would be permanently displaced escapes me. Moore and Eick have refused to follow space-opera convention pretty insistently. Don’t be surprised by anything. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bsg-gaeta-discussion-open-spoilers-for-recent-season/484955.md?page=1)