# Buchanan: "White America died" election night \[satire\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 12, 2012, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buchanan-white-america-died-election-night-satire/640746 "2012-11-12T03:25:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2012, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buchanan-white-america-died-election-night-satire/640746/41 "2012-11-12T22:56:55Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Compare and contrast reaction to this thread and reaction to my thread about union crews being turned away in Sandy territory. Okay. This thread’s responses: 1. Gotta be fake. 2. From a satirical site. 3. From a satirical site. 4. Gotta be fake. 5. Joke. 6. Joke. 7. Joke. 8. Joke. Your thread’s responses: 1. Unbalanced report. 2. Gotta be fake. 3. Gotta be fake. 4. Gotta be fake. 5. Joke. 6. Shoulda confirmed story. 7. Is fake. (with cites) 8. Ebil conservatives politicizing disaster. What do I win? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2012, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buchanan-white-america-died-election-night-satire/640746/42 "2012-11-12T23:00:17Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Mistake about taking a parody website seriously vs. posting from a website that lies through its teeth. > Yep-exactly the same thing. Which website did **Bricker** quote from that “lies through its teeth”? ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2012, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buchanan-white-america-died-election-night-satire/640746/43 "2012-11-12T23:01:50Z")
But apparently the lesson we’re supposed to learn is that we’re hypocrites for giving the OP in this thread a pass for believing proven racist scumbag Pat Buchanan said something racist about the re-election of a black president, while not giving **Bricker** a pass for believing that unionized workers would actively harm the response to Sandy out of pettiness. If Buchanan didn’t have a history of saying racist shit, I might agree with this assessment. But alack, alas, he does, and so I don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2012, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buchanan-white-america-died-election-night-satire/640746/44 "2012-11-12T23:22:28Z")
**Bricker** : Here are some more statements supposedly from Pat Buchanan. Which of these were not actually said by him? > [@](#): > > Mexico is moving north. Ethnically, linguistically, and culturally, the verdict of 1848 is being overturned. Will this Mexican nation within a nation advance the goals of the Constitution—to “insure domestic tranquility” and “make us a more perfect union”? Or has our passivity in the face of this invasion imperiled our union? > [@](#): > > Those who believe the rise to power of an Obama rainbow coalition of peoples of color means the whites who helped to engineer it will steer it are deluding themselves. The whites may discover what it is like to ride in the back of the bus. > [@](#): > > And although Howard Dean disparages the Republicans as the “white party,” why should Republicans be ashamed to represent the progeny of the men who founded, built, and defended America since her birth as a nation? > [@](#): > > Perhaps some of us misremember the past. But the racial, religious, cultural, social, political, and economic divides today seem greater than they seemed even in the segregation cities some of us grew up in. > > Back then, black and white lived apart, went to different schools and churches, played on different playgrounds, and went to different restaurants, bars, theaters, and soda fountains. But we shared a country and a culture. We were one nation. We were Americans. Should be a slam-dunk to demonstrate these quotes are false, if we were to immediately deride the false quote in the OP as being out of character for Pat Buchanan. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2012, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buchanan-white-america-died-election-night-satire/640746/45 "2012-11-12T23:57:22Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Which website did **Bricker** quote from that “lies through its teeth”? I believe we are discussing [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=670833) with [this cite](http://www.waff.com/story/19981857/some-nonunion-ala-crews-turned-away-from-sandy-recovery) in the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2012, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buchanan-white-america-died-election-night-satire/640746/46 "2012-11-12T23:59:15Z")
> [@drewtwo99](#): > > Bricker, you are off your rocker if you think that a thread where someone mistakenly posts a piece of parody as if it were fact is comparable to a thread where someone posts a made-up piece of “news” from a biased but real and unverified news source. > > Now, had this thread been a link to a reputable news source that actually takes itself seriously, claiming that Buchanan had actually said all this, you’d have a point. But it wasn’t, now was it? I linked to a legitimate news station, which had a story that turned out to be false. I realized it was false and apologized. BrainGlutton links to a parody site which has a story that’s also false. I was harshly criticized for not double-checking and finding other sources to confirm the story I posted. No one, as of the time I posted here, has criticized BG for failing to double-check and confirming his story. That seems unbalanced to me. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buchanan-white-america-died-election-night-satire/640746/47 "2012-11-13T00:02:10Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > Okay. > > This thread’s responses: > > 1. Gotta be fake. > 2. From a satirical site. > 3. From a satirical site. > 4. Gotta be fake. > 5. Joke. > 6. Joke. > 7. Joke. > 8. Joke. > > Your thread’s responses: > > 1. Unbalanced report. > 2. Gotta be fake. > 3. Gotta be fake. > 4. Gotta be fake. > 5. Joke. > 6. Shoulda confirmed story. > 7. Is fake. (with cites) > 8. Ebil conservatives politicizing disaster. > > What do I win? A poor grade from the teacher that taught you to summarize. Please assess the tone, the vitriol, that appears in those two threads. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buchanan-white-america-died-election-night-satire/640746/48 "2012-11-13T00:03:14Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > I believe we are discussing [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=670833) with [this cite](http://www.waff.com/story/19981857/some-nonunion-ala-crews-turned-away-from-sandy-recovery) in the OP. I did not know that WAFF TV was known for lying through its teeth. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buchanan-white-america-died-election-night-satire/640746/49 "2012-11-13T00:07:25Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > But apparently the lesson we’re supposed to learn is that we’re hypocrites for giving the OP in this thread a pass for believing proven racist scumbag Pat Buchanan said something racist about the re-election of a black president, while not giving **Bricker** a pass for believing that unionized workers would actively harm the response to Sandy out of pettiness. If Buchanan didn’t have a history of saying racist shit, I might agree with this assessment. But alack, alas, he does, and so I don’t. But unions do have a history of aggressively defending their work territory from non-union incursion. Granted, they did not in that thread. But I didn’t find the claim utterly unheard of. Just as, here, the claim that Pat B might say something racist is not beyond belief. I wouldn’t be inclined to heap shit on BG for his error. I’m interested to see if anyone will acknowledge that roughly the same thing happened to me and I got a raft of shit over it. ---
**Author:** ![Jenaroph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e8c25b/32.png) [@Jenaroph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jenaroph)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buchanan-white-america-died-election-night-satire/640746/50 "2012-11-13T00:13:22Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I linked to a legitimate news station, which had a story that turned out to be false. > > I realized it was false and apologized. EVENTUALLY. I think that’s the big difference here: a lack of BrainGlutton posting multiple times, clinging to faint shreds of doubt and insisting that there might be the slightest bit of truth to the story, and that he could yet be vindicated. Plus, this thread wasn’t posted to the pit, and the debunkings are held to a politer standard. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buchanan-white-america-died-election-night-satire/640746/51 "2012-11-13T00:14:12Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > But unions do have a history of aggressively defending their work territory from non-union incursion. Not equivalent. The outrage in your op was because you thought they were putting union rules above human lives. If you could point to other instances where unions refused to allow non-unionized people provide aid in a disaster or national emergency, you could have had a point. The story in this thread is unremarkable because Buchanan being a racist douchebag is unsurprising. A union letting people die when it could be avoided is not. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buchanan-white-america-died-election-night-satire/640746/52 "2012-11-13T00:16:22Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > But unions do have a history of aggressively defending their work territory from non-union incursion. In cases of disaster relief? Gotta cite? ---
**Author:** ![Jenaroph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e8c25b/32.png) [@Jenaroph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jenaroph)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buchanan-white-america-died-election-night-satire/640746/53 "2012-11-13T00:25:56Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Not equivalent. The outrage in your op was because you thought they were putting union rules above human lives. If you could point to other instances where unions refused to allow non-unionized people provide aid in a disaster or national emergency, you could have had a point. > > The story in this thread is unremarkable because Buchanan being a racist douchebag is unsurprising. A union letting people die when it could be avoided is not. That is an extremely good point. The value of each story is much different. What if each had been true? Buchanan making racist, butthurt statements? Sigh and shake your head at the old dinosaur, 'cause it affects no one a bit. Unions denying help to people in a disaster? That is a goddamned _crime_, and people would suffer from it, and something should be done about it. They’re just not comparable stories. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buchanan-white-america-died-election-night-satire/640746/54 "2012-11-13T00:31:08Z")
Awwwww. Is **Bricker** feeling butthurt? Awwwwwww. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buchanan-white-america-died-election-night-satire/640746/55 "2012-11-13T01:19:11Z")
> [@Jenaroph](#): > > EVENTUALLY. > > I think that’s the big difference here: a lack of BrainGlutton posting multiple times, clinging to faint shreds of doubt and insisting that there might be the slightest bit of truth to the story, and that he could yet be vindicated. > > Plus, this thread wasn’t posted to the pit, and the debunkings are held to a politer standard. My thread wasn’t posted to the Pit, either. It was moved there after the replies began to trend towards Pittyness. And this post certainly seems to be BG defending his position: > [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Ya think? It would be just like Pat to be ignorant on that point; and even more like him to be so false-sophisticated as to bring up something about [Diophantus](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diophantus) (white guy if Greeks count), even though his explorations in algebra were forgotten as thoroughly as any ancient heliocentric theory of astronomy. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buchanan-white-america-died-election-night-satire/640746/56 "2012-11-13T01:32:55Z")
> [@Jenaroph](#): > > EVENTUALLY. > > I think that’s the big difference here: a lack of BrainGlutton posting multiple times, clinging to faint shreds of doubt and insisting that there might be the slightest bit of truth to the story, and that he could yet be vindicated. You haven’t been around her long have you? ---
**Author:** ![Jenaroph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e8c25b/32.png) [@Jenaroph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jenaroph)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buchanan-white-america-died-election-night-satire/640746/57 "2012-11-13T01:47:09Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > My thread wasn’t posted to the Pit, either. It was moved there after the replies began to trend towards Pittyness. True, I’d forgotten about that. My apologies. > [@](#): > > And this post certainly seems to be BG defending his position: That quote was BG defending why he thought the story was real, not defending the idea that it might still actually BE real. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2012, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buchanan-white-america-died-election-night-satire/640746/58 "2012-11-13T03:03:25Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Say what you will about PB, ignorant, he is not. He’s got a good, Jesuit education under his belt (in a manner of speaking). From what I can infer about the size of his belt, he’s got EVERYTHING under there. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buchanan-white-america-died-election-night-satire/640746.md?page=2)