# Budget Near Collapse as GOP Leader Quits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 24, 2011, 9:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/budget-near-collapse-as-gop-leader-quits/586686 "2011-06-24T09:08:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Stan\_Shmenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/94ad74/32.png) [@Stan\_Shmenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stan_Shmenge)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/budget-near-collapse-as-gop-leader-quits/586686/121 "2011-06-27T05:15:06Z")
And I would just like to add, seeing as this thread has taken off, that my surfeit of exclamation points was to mock the New York Times’ threepeat of this headline. They have never done this before, AFAIK, at the most repeating a news flash in their regular morning or afternoon emails. But this time it was a news flash, AND a morning and afternoon email. Yes, NYT, God forbid we should hold the line on taxes and stand in the way of the socialist paradise you so desire… ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/budget-near-collapse-as-gop-leader-quits/586686/122 "2011-06-27T05:25:26Z")
Mmmmmm… Socialist Paradise… _drools_ :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Stan\_Shmenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/94ad74/32.png) [@Stan\_Shmenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stan_Shmenge)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/budget-near-collapse-as-gop-leader-quits/586686/123 "2011-06-27T05:54:08Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > Mmmmmm… Socialist Paradise… > > _drools_ > > :rolleyes: Wipe it off your chin and try to make a cogent comment… ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/budget-near-collapse-as-gop-leader-quits/586686/124 "2011-06-27T06:10:03Z")
> [@Stan\_Shmenge](#): > > Yes, NYT, God forbid we should hold the line on taxes and stand in the way of the socialist paradise you so desire… > [@Stan\_Shmenge](#): > > Wipe it off your chin and try to make a cogent comment… Follow your own advice. I was making fun of you. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/budget-near-collapse-as-gop-leader-quits/586686/125 "2011-06-27T06:30:47Z")
> [@Stan\_Shmenge](#): > > DEA? Zero it out tomorrow. Legalize that shit. You’re fighting decades of police culture & political bias here. Maybe if an angel from heaven comes down and anoints you Tsar you can do that by fiat. > [@](#): > > Department of Education? Zero it out. Can anyone seriously argue that schools are better now that they have been federalized? Return education to local control. What do you think the Dept. of Education does? We _have_ local control. DoE’s budget is largely grants and loans for post-secondary students, isn’t it? > [@](#): > > Department of Energy? Yeah, they have done a FAAANTASTIC job. Thanks to them we have cheap gas, electricity is almost free, oh wait… I don’t think you understand what a government department is for. In any case, Education used to be part of the department of Health, Education, and Welfare. Abolishing the cabinet post doesn’t mean getting the federal government out of the field. The Department of Energy would just be folded into Interior, or split between Interior and Defense. > [@](#): > > ATF? You mean those clowns who are approving the sale of munitions to the drug mafia? Great job! It should be a convenience store, not a federal department. Burning children alive for being part of a religious sect that never harmed anyone was just a bonus. Man, we need verifiable time travel, so you can meet your alternate reality self from a timeline where the Koreshians slaughtered a supermarket full of innocent bystanders, & he (you) is saying BATF should have done what they did in our timeline. Seriously, the Waco situation was a cock-up, doesn’t mean the bureau of redneck vices needs to go. > [@](#): > > Defense Department? We could cut about 75% of that one, if their mission only involved actual defense of our country. Bring our boys home, and close our bases around the world. What are we still doing in NATO, now that the cold war is over? **This is the only one of these that would save enough money to balance the budget. All the other agencies have tiny budgets by comparison. We do not collect enough income tax to cover DoD, so we borrow.** But again, a lot of unionized private sector jobs rely on building military hardware, and much of the US relies on those workers’ incomes. > [@](#): > > I know that right wing talk radio will never propose this cut, because their stations benefit, but how abouts we do away with the Ad Coucil? It seems that 90% if the ad space in overnight dead time is purchased by the Ad Council, reminding us to eat our vegetables and brush our teeth and fasten our goddamn seat belts. Zero it out. > > PBS. Planned Parenthood. NPR. National Endowment for the Arts. All of that can go as far as I am concerned. Let people pay for the art they enjoy. Isn’t Planned Parenthood private? > [@](#): > > The Federal Government could easily shrink by at least one-third, without touching a dime of entitlements, which should also be scrutinized. Only by cutting the military-industrial complex. Even Eisenhower failed to stop those guys. Maybe you should run for office on that. Near-term you’ll still need to repeal the Bush tax cuts or you’ll end up paying a lot more in interest on the debt. > [@](#): > > Speaking of which, why does anyone think Social Security is a good idea? A regressive tax, linked in imagination but in no reality to a benefit that pays more to people the less the actually need it. At least remove the income cap from withholding and means test the benefits so only those in need receive it. Does Bill Gates need to get Social Security payments? Well, he is eligible, even though he only paid in on his first 100k of earnings. > > Also, can we please end the farm subsidies? Last time I checked, ADM wasn’t a small family farmer. Want to save the family farm? Leave them alone, and stop the insane new food legislation that will put the final nail in their coffin. > > Already cut out the fat? Give me a break. If anything, the fat has been growing and growing. Oh good lord. Are you against all pensions or just Social Security? Yeah, it should be restructured. Also, it should be repaid for all the money kiped from it over the last 25 years, which is another reason to raise marginal income taxes (other than good monetarist theory). As for farm subsidies, I think I mentioned this earlier. I really want you to pay the full cost (or what Marx would have called the “work-value”) of your food. But you’ll whine that there’s no money left for ciggies! ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/budget-near-collapse-as-gop-leader-quits/586686/126 "2011-06-27T06:32:55Z")
> [@Stan\_Shmenge](#): > > Defense Department? We could cut about 75% of that one, if their mission only involved actual defense of our country. Bring our boys home, and close our bases around the world. What are we still doing in NATO, now that the cold war is over? **This is the only one of these that would save enough money to balance the budget. All the other agencies have tiny budgets by comparison. We do not collect enough income tax to cover DoD, so we borrow.** But again, a lot of unionized private sector jobs rely on building military hardware, and much of the US relies on those workers’ incomes. > [@](#): > > The Federal Government could easily shrink by at least one-third, without touching a dime of entitlements, which should also be scrutinized. Only by cutting the military-industrial complex. Even Eisenhower failed to stop those guys. Maybe you should run for office on that. Near-term you’ll still need to repeal the Bush tax cuts or you’ll end up paying a lot more in interest on the debt. > [@](#): > > Speaking of which, why does anyone think Social Security is a good idea? A regressive tax, linked in imagination but in no reality to a benefit that pays more to people the less the actually need it. At least remove the income cap from withholding and means test the benefits so only those in need receive it. Does Bill Gates need to get Social Security payments? Well, he is eligible, even though he only paid in on his first 100k of earnings Oh good lord. Are you against all pensions or just Social Security? Yeah, it should be restructured. Also, it should be repaid for all the money kiped from it over the last 25 years, which is another reason to raise marginal income taxes (other than good monetarist theory). ---
**Author:** ![Stan\_Shmenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/94ad74/32.png) [@Stan\_Shmenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stan_Shmenge)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 8:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/budget-near-collapse-as-gop-leader-quits/586686/127 "2011-06-27T08:48:09Z")
Wowsers. Couple of nutcases here. No wonder we are in such dire straights! And they let these people vote… ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/budget-near-collapse-as-gop-leader-quits/586686/128 "2011-06-27T09:04:38Z")
> [@Stan\_Shmenge](#): > > Wowsers. Couple of nutcases here. No wonder we are in such dire straights! And they let these people vote… If only more people thought like you, **Stan** , America would be a completely different country. [Nitpick] dire **straits** [/nitpick[ ---
**Author:** ![Stan\_Shmenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/94ad74/32.png) [@Stan\_Shmenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stan_Shmenge)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 9:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/budget-near-collapse-as-gop-leader-quits/586686/129 "2011-06-27T09:17:55Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > You’re fighting decades of police culture & political bias here. Maybe if an angel from heaven comes down and anoints you Tsar you can do that by fiat. I’m cool with that. > [@](#): > > What do you think the Dept. of Education does? We _have_ local control. Ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaa. Snerk. Ha ha. Ever hear of the farce called “No Child Left Behind”? No, of course you haven’t. Moron. > [@](#): > > DoE’s budget is largely grants and loans for post-secondary students, isn’t it?I don’t think you understand what a government department is for. No, I have a very good understanding of what a government department is for. It is for sucking in an increasing and endless vortex of the people’s money in order to establish control over the populace. > [@](#): > > In any case, Education used to be part of the department of Health, Education, and Welfare. All functions of government that are extraconstitutional and should cease, forthwith. > [@](#): > > Abolishing the cabinet post doesn’t mean getting the federal government out of the field. The cabinet post would dissolve when the useless alphabet soup agency is dissolved. God you are a moron. > [@](#): > > The Department of Energy would just be folded into Interior, or split between Interior and Defense. What part of zero it out don’t you understand? No it wouldn’t. Personnel in the department would be made to take honest work, and the department would be dissolved. It would cease to exist and it’s regulatory authority would be over with and it’s budget would end. > [@](#): > > Man, we need verifiable time travel, so you can meet your alternate reality self from a timeline where the Koreshians slaughtered a supermarket full of innocent bystanders, & he (you) is saying BATF should have done what they did in our timeline. WTF? > [@](#): > > Seriously, the Waco situation was a cock-up No duh. > [@](#): > > doesn’t mean the bureau of redneck vices needs to go. Now, here we have it. Constitutional rights are a redneck vice. Thanks for playing. You are now officially done. Bye. > [@](#): > > This is the only one of these that would save enough money to balance the budget. All the other agencies have tiny budgets by comparison. We do not collect enough income tax to cover DoD, so we borrow. I would like you to look up the definition of the word “fungible”. We borrow, but according to you, all that borrowing is because of the military. Fail. > [@](#): > > But again, a lot of unionized private sector jobs rely on building military hardware, and much of the US relies on those workers’ incomes. Actually, a very small amount of private sector jobs depend on military spending, and if those jobs are unionized, that is between the contractors and the labor force they employ. They take this into consideration when they bid on defense contracts, and when they negotiate with labor unions. This is in stark contrast to public employee labor unions where there is a built in conflict of interest in that the labor unions are major contributors to the elected officials who supposedly are negotiating in the public interest. > [@](#): > > Isn’t Planned Parenthood private? Yes, and I would have no problem with them if they didn’t TAKE PUBLIC MONEY. I, personally, feel abortion should be legal. I also feel that it is a horrific procedure that many people have a legitimate philosophical objection to, and that they shouldn’t be required to fund through their taxes at the point of a gun. > [@](#): > > Only by cutting the military-industrial complex. Even Eisenhower failed to stop those guys. Maybe you should run for office on that. I am not running for office. > [@](#): > > Near-term you’ll still need to repeal the Bush tax cuts Did I say anything about the Bush tax cuts? I think taxes should be cut far more than Bush ever dreamed of, and that they should be targeted more at the working class. > [@](#): > > or you’ll end up paying a lot more in interest on the debt. Under my plan, the budget would have a surplus and we would pay down the national debt in maybe ten years. > [@](#): > > Oh good lord. Are you against all pensions or just Social Security? I am against a tax that targets the poor linked to a benefit that helps the rich. Social Security in a nutshell. > [@](#): > > Yeah, it should be restructured. Also, it should be repaid for all the money kiped from it over the last 25 years, which is another reason to raise marginal income taxes (other than good monetarist theory). I have no idea what you are talking about here, and I suspect neither do you. > [@](#): > > As for farm subsidies, I think I mentioned this earlier. I really want you to pay the full cost (or what Marx would have called the “work-value”) of your food. But you’ll whine that there’s no money left for ciggies! Again, WTF? What does cutting ADM off the gravy train have to do with Marx? Maybe Groucho? You sir are a first class maroon. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 10:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/budget-near-collapse-as-gop-leader-quits/586686/130 "2011-06-27T10:01:03Z")
> [@Stan\_Shmenge](#): > > No, I have a very good understanding of what a government department is for. It is for sucking in an increasing and endless vortex of the people’s money in order to establish control over the populace. Ohhhhhhh I get it now: you’re crazy. And not the good kind of crazy; the kind of crazy who wants to vote for Sharron Angle. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/budget-near-collapse-as-gop-leader-quits/586686/131 "2011-06-27T12:59:51Z")
> [@Stan\_Shmenge](#): > > Wowsers. Couple of nutcases here. No wonder we are in such dire straights! Waitaminnit…are you saying Mark Knopfler is a nutcase? I’m confused. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/budget-near-collapse-as-gop-leader-quits/586686/132 "2011-06-27T13:08:30Z")
> [@Stan\_Shmenge](#): > > Wowsers. Couple of nutcases here. No wonder we are in such dire straights! And they let these people vote… Ever play poker on an airplane while it’s crash landing, the engine on fire and snakes biting you in the dick? Now those are dire straights. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/budget-near-collapse-as-gop-leader-quits/586686/133 "2011-06-27T15:41:20Z")
> [@Stan\_Shmenge](#): > > Wowsers. Couple of nutcases here. No wonder we are in such dire straights! And they let these people vote… I agree, and you are one of them! ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/budget-near-collapse-as-gop-leader-quits/586686/134 "2011-06-27T15:57:32Z")
> [@Stan\_Shmenge](#): > > No, I have a very good understanding of what a government department is for. It is for sucking in an increasing and endless vortex of the people’s money in order to establish control over the populace. That’s the corporations job!! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/budget-near-collapse-as-gop-leader-quits/586686/135 "2011-06-27T17:30:24Z")
> [@Autolycus](#): > > Ever play poker on an airplane while it’s crash landing, the engine on fire and snakes biting you in the dick? Now those are dire straights. Indictment pending. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/budget-near-collapse-as-gop-leader-quits/586686/136 "2011-06-27T21:54:05Z")
> [@Stan\_Shmenge](#): > > Yes, NYT, God forbid we should hold the line on taxes and stand in the way of the socialist paradise you so desire… The Fox network may have confused the issue but the New York Times still understands the concept of how news reporting works. Reporting that the budget is nearing collapse and a GOP leader is quitting? Those are objective facts and therefore news items. Advocating for tax cuts? That’s opinion writing. ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/budget-near-collapse-as-gop-leader-quits/586686/137 "2011-06-28T01:39:28Z")
> [@Stan\_Shmenge](#): > > Thank you, New York Times!!! My e-mail from you let me know this THREE times, as a news “ALERT”, as the lead in yesterday’s Afternoon Update, and again this morning as the lead in your Today’s Headlines! Thank you so much!!! Why you allow the NYT to send you updates by email is beyond me to fathom, given your general political position as expressed here. > [@](#): > > Maybe if we can get inflation to Wiemar Germany levels, the stage can be set for what this country really needs, a strong firm father figure to lead us out of our troubles. It would be fun to invade Poland.. Inflation’s a funny thing. If a government is unable to increase revenue by imposing truly progressive taxes, then it may well end up printing money to fund the necessary functions of government. And this type of inflation is nothing more or less than a flat sales tax across the board. Admittedly you and I will probably never agree on what government functions are necessary. And incidentally it’s W_ei_mar ---
**Author:** ![Penderel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e47c2d/32.png) [@Penderel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penderel)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2011, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/budget-near-collapse-as-gop-leader-quits/586686/138 "2011-06-29T19:50:47Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > The richest cocksuckers in the US are, in fact, grossly undertaxed, and there is no possibility of economic recovery without ending the irresponsible, unfunded tax giveaways to corporations and to the rich. By choosing corporations over the needs of the economy and the people, the Republicans are choosing sides against America. > [@foolsguinea](#): > > And we haven’t sunset the Bush tax cuts (the ones that were set to expire so as not to blow the deficit up further). Therefore we are running in the red just from those. > [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > it is correct to say that the Bush tax cuts do not account for the entirety of the US federal debt. > > However, they are far and away the largest contributor to the debt, and proportionally grow more significant over time. These quotes help show the fundamental differences in thinking between “conservatives” and “liberals.” We are not running in the red because we, the taxpayers, don’t pay enough, we are in the red because politicians spend too much. And there can’t be “tax giveaways,” only reduced tax takeaways - it is not the government’s money to give. And I’ll skip the notion that having money makes you a fellator in the first degree. Try to divorce yourself from this slavish pavlovian devotion to paying taxes and compare the situation to the “real world.” If you make $100 a week and spend $150, the solution to your woes is to spend less, not to demand that your boss pay you more. If you don’t believe this, try it some time - I guarantee that your employer will not see your side of things. And don’t worry about losing your job - there are plenty of social programs, untouched by those horrible “tax giveaways,” that will support you in the manner to which you’re accustomed. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2011, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/budget-near-collapse-as-gop-leader-quits/586686/139 "2011-06-29T20:00:42Z")
> [@Penderel](#): > > These quotes help show the fundamental differences in thinking between “conservatives” and “liberals.” We are not running in the red because we, the taxpayers, don’t pay enough, we are in the red because politicians spend too much. And there can’t be “tax giveaways,” only reduced tax takeaways - it is not the government’s money to give. And I’ll skip the notion that having money makes you a fellator in the first degree. > > Try to divorce yourself from this slavish pavlovian devotion to paying taxes and compare the situation to the “real world.” If you make $100 a week and spend $150, the solution to your woes is to spend less, not to demand that your boss pay you more. If you don’t believe this, try it some time - I guarantee that your employer will not see your side of things. And don’t worry about losing your job - there are plenty of social programs, untouched by those horrible “tax giveaways,” that will support you in the manner to which you’re accustomed. And when the bare minimum cost of living to support your family, after cutting every single corner you possibly can, leaving your family in a state of uncertain health but not dead, is $1200 a month, but you’re only earning $1000? What then? There is a point at which you cannot legitimately cut any more from the budget without severely harming the health of the citizenry. At that point, “just cut spending, duh” _doesn’t fucking cut it_. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2011, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/budget-near-collapse-as-gop-leader-quits/586686/140 "2011-06-29T20:19:58Z")
> [@Penderel](#): > > If you don’t believe this, try it some time - I guarantee that your employer will not see your side of things. And don’t worry about losing your job - there are plenty of social programs, untouched by those horrible “tax giveaways,” that will support you in the manner to which you’re accustomed. If the employer is GE, they may be OK with it. They paid _no taxes_ on their multi-billions in profit. In fact, they got a refund. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/budget-near-collapse-as-gop-leader-quits/586686.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/budget-near-collapse-as-gop-leader-quits/586686.md?page=8)