# Buffalo can’t become a Lion **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 9, 2010, 8:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013 "2010-11-09T08:32:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/21 "2010-11-09T17:24:46Z")
> [@Abisafyan](#): > > above all, Bangladesh is victory of Bengali Muslims not of Hindus. Yeah, after Pakistani Muslims killed hundreds of thousands of Bengali Muslims. Some Ummah there, me old china. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/22 "2010-11-09T17:37:11Z")
[Buffalo\_buffalo\_Buffalo\_buffalo\_buffalo\_buffalo\_Buffalo\_buffalo](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_buffalo_Buffalo_buffalo_buffalo_buffalo_Buffalo_buffalo) Does anyone else suspect the OP was translated from another language using Babelfish? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/23 "2010-11-09T17:46:02Z")
Yes, but I can’t figure out what language it was translated into. I also can’t figure out if the OP thinks France is a lion. I mean, it’s got a permanent seat. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/24 "2010-11-09T17:54:36Z")
I don’t get the OP at all. First e talks about an ungulate, a feline, and a politician. (There may be a bad punch line in that alone.) Then e talks about a nation collapsed into anarchy and rife with piracy. Then e talks about one of the two most populous nations and its ongoing border dispute. I recognize all the words, but I don’t grok eir meaning. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/25 "2010-11-09T18:00:17Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Yes, but I can’t figure out what language it was translated into. I also can’t figure out if the OP thinks France is a lion. I mean, it’s got a permanent seat. I recall a line from [_Mobsters:_](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobsters) Boss Joe Masseria, looking at a male lion at the zoo: “Why are they called the King of Beasts? They don’t hunt . . . They don’t fight . . . All they do is eat, shit, and fornicate!” 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/26 "2010-11-09T18:02:53Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > I recall a line from [_Mobsters:_](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobsters) Boss Joe Masseria, looking at a male lion at the zoo: “Why are they called the King of Beasts? They don’t hunt . . . They don’t fight . . . All they do is eat, shit, and fornicate!” 😉 You’ve just described 3/4 of the males that have ruled Britain. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/27 "2010-11-09T18:09:43Z")
I think his point about Somalia is that it doesn’t block UNSCO resolutions. Mostly because it doesn’t have a functioning government, but still. ETA: You’ve just described 3/4ths of _males._ Myself proudly included. ---
**Author:** ![SeldomSeen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ba0ec/32.png) [@SeldomSeen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SeldomSeen)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/28 "2010-11-09T18:16:51Z")
In the imortal words of [Charles Emerson Winchester III](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Emerson_Winchester_III) _ **“What on earth are you talking about, and in what language are you saying it?”** _ ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/29 "2010-11-09T18:44:24Z")
> [@SeldomSeen](#): > > In the imortal words of [Charles Emerson Winchester III](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Emerson_Winchester_III) > _ **“What on earth are you talking about, and in what language are you saying it?”** _ I doubt the OP has a cogent point if he wrote it in Af Soomaali. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/30 "2010-11-09T19:06:39Z")
I don’t see why people say they don’t understand what the OP is saying. He’s upset that President Obama supports giving India a permanent seat on the Security Council because the OP is Pakistani and upset about Indian control of Kashmir. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/31 "2010-11-09T19:12:06Z")
We understand what the OP is saying. We are making fun of him because his post is gibberish. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/32 "2010-11-09T19:19:51Z")
I think you should cut the guy a break. You can understand what he’s saying, so debate that, rather than making fun of his English. I mean, how’s your written Urdu? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/33 "2010-11-09T19:27:43Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > I don’t see why people say they don’t understand what the OP is saying. He’s upset that President Obama supports giving India a permanent seat on the Security Council because the OP is Pakistani and upset about Indian control of Kashmir. Actually, while the OP obviously is a Muslim of some nation, it is not entirely clear that he is Pakistani. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/34 "2010-11-09T19:28:47Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > I think you should cut the guy a break. You can understand what he’s saying, so debate that, rather than making fun of his English. I mean, how’s your written Urdu? No, the **semantic content of his argument** is gibberish. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/35 "2010-11-09T19:33:34Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > I think you should cut the guy a break. You can understand what he’s saying, so debate that, rather than making fun of his English. I mean, how’s your written Urdu? Debate what? That Somalia would make a better permanent UN Security Council member than India? Where do I start? ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/36 "2010-11-09T19:45:08Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > Debate what? That Somalia would make a better permanent UN Security Council member than India? Where do I start? The Somalia comment is tongue in cheek. He’s saying that Somalia, for all its unsuitability to be a permanent member of the UN Security Council, at least doesn’t disobey UN Security Council resolutions, the way that India does on Kashmir. In other words, he’s saying that India shouldn’t be a perm. member of the Security Council because of their noncompliance with UN Security Council resolutions. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/37 "2010-11-09T19:45:33Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > I think you should cut the guy a break. You can understand what he’s saying, so debate that, rather than making fun of his English. I mean, how’s your written Urdu? My written Urdu is passable, though probably not good enough for a political debate. Nor is my spoken Urdu. I grew up in Pakistan. But your point is well taken, I grow weary of people making fun of non-native speakers’ English skills. Strangely I suffer the same ridicule when I try to speak Chinese, only 10X worse. When I went to India and watched a Pakistan-India cricket match back in the 1980s, no one attacked me for cheering for Pakistan. In fact there were plent of Indian Muslims cheering for Pakistan, which I would have had a bigger problem with. Try going to a Pakistani staduim and shouting “Jai Hind!”. You will be lucky to make it out alive with a police escort. Heck I have seen England supporters having to be escorted out after unfurling the St. George Cross or Union Jack. Having 7M Muslilms living unhappily under Indian rule, is a million times preferable to having 3M Hindus living under Pakistani rule, because pretty soon after accession to Pakistan we can look forward to the forced migration of most of the 3M Hindus, just like 1947. Pakistanis can never seem to understand that everyone outside the Muslim world intuitively recognizes this. Muslims living in a (nominally) secular state are much better off than non-muslims living in an Islamic Republic. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/38 "2010-11-09T19:46:40Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > No, the **semantic content of his argument** is gibberish. How so? I understood it, so how it it gibberish? And the OP is Pakistani. He’s identified himself as such in the past on the boards. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/39 "2010-11-09T19:48:41Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > I think you should cut the guy a break. You can understand what he’s saying, so debate that, rather than making fun of his English. I mean, how’s your written Urdu? Pretty poor, so I won’t complain when somebody makes fun of it on an Urdu-language message board. I’m not even talking about his English, anyway. I’m talking about his bizarre analogies. ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/40 "2010-11-09T19:52:40Z")
I’m wondering what “Burma is an independent country” is supposed to signify. If you’re holding Burma up as an example of a country free from tyranny, you’ve lost the argument already. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013.md?page=3)