# Buffalo can’t become a Lion **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 9, 2010, 8:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013 "2010-11-09T08:32:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/41 "2010-11-09T20:02:32Z")
> [@woodstockbirdybird](#): > > I’m wondering what “Burma is an independent country” is supposed to signify. If you’re holding Burma up as an example of a country free from tyranny, you’ve lost the argument already. It’s "You’re willing to complain about human rights abuses in Burma, but not in Kashmir, when, at least the Burmese are being oppressed by their own people, not by foreigners like the Kashmiri are. In other words, what’s happening in Kashmir is worse than what’s happening in Burma, so why criticize the Burmese government and turn a blind eye to the Indian government. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/42 "2010-11-09T20:29:34Z")
> [@Abisafyan](#): > > above all, Bangladesh is victory of Bengali Muslims not of Hindus. > > plz forget 1000 years Muslims Rule & prior that more than1000 years rule of other nations if you can!!! Yeah, yeah. Three thousand years before that my ancestors were pharaohs in Egypt and kings in Scythia. What’s your point? What’s so bad about being a buffalo, anyhow? Mess with the bull, get the horns. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/43 "2010-11-09T21:09:36Z")
Here’s a whacky idea: How about if debate on this issue takes place in the [Obama backs India for permanent seat on UN Security Council](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=584778) Thread??? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/44 "2010-11-09T21:41:57Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > Having 7M Muslilms living unhappily under Indian rule, is a million times preferable to having 3M Hindus living under Pakistani rule, because pretty soon after accession to Pakistan we can look forward to the forced migration of most of the 3M Hindus, just like 1947. Pakistanis can never seem to understand that everyone outside the Muslim world intuitively recognizes this. Muslims living in a (nominally) secular state are much better off than non-muslims living in an Islamic Republic. I find this argument compelling. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Excellent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f19dbf/32.png) [@Mr.Excellent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Excellent)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/45 "2010-11-09T21:49:27Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca2wSWe9zzE](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca2wSWe9zzE) > > Buffalos don’t need to become lions. (Warning: Link shows horrible things done to lion by buffalo.) Poor kitty. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/46 "2010-11-09T21:59:07Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > Having 7M Muslilms living unhappily under Indian rule, is a million times preferable to having 3M Hindus living under Pakistani rule, because pretty soon after accession to Pakistan we can look forward to the forced migration of most of the 3M Hindus, just like 1947. Pakistanis can never seem to understand that everyone outside the Muslim world intuitively recognizes this. Muslims living in a (nominally) secular state are much better off than non-muslims living in an Islamic Republic. I dread to think what would have happened to 3 million Hindus in Pakistan if the Pakistani government announced it had compelling evidence that the Indian Intelligence Services had been complicit in terrorist attacks causing 173 deaths in a Pakistani city. ---
**Author:** ![elmwood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmwood/32/3060_2.png) [@elmwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elmwood)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/47 "2010-11-09T22:03:19Z")
> [@Duke](#): > > Listen, even Buffalo doesn’t want the Lions. If we’re going to lose the Bills then Ralph Wilson Stadium should sit empty. Go dem der Bills der, dontcha’ know der! ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2010, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/48 "2010-11-10T00:39:53Z")
A buffalo can most certainly become a lion, if it is the will of Allah. Why do you doubt Allah, Abisafyan? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2010, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/49 "2010-11-10T00:44:13Z")
> [@villa](#): > > I’m all in favor of Kashmir and Pakistan being reunited. As provinces of India. Bangladesh, too? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2010, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/50 "2010-11-10T01:20:22Z")
> [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > I find this argument compelling. I find your lack of froth disturbing. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2010, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/51 "2010-11-10T02:06:47Z")
> [@Abisafyan](#): > > . . . Mr. President Barack Obama, thanks to you & your country for calling spade a spade . . . There’s a joke in here somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Abisafyan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a4c791/32.png) [@Abisafyan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abisafyan)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2010, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/52 "2010-11-10T15:51:11Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > A buffalo can most certainly become a lion, if it is the will of Allah. > Why do you doubt Allah, Abisafyan? Allah Almighty adjudges on merit, dear! Above all, status of everything has been settled, so no chance for ‘buffalo’ to thirst her soul for a permanent seat in the UN Security Council, she has ‘polluted’!!! ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2010, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/53 "2010-11-10T16:00:18Z")
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, “what?” ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2010, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/54 "2010-11-10T16:03:55Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Bangladesh, too? I haven’t really considered it. Were the Bangladeshi government to be sponsoring terrorist attacks against India, however, I would not consider it wrong of the Indians to take military action. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2010, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/55 "2010-11-10T16:06:22Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I think I speak for everyone here when I say, “what?” **Abisafyan** is Pakistani. He hates India. Therefore, India is “polluted” and should never get a permanent Security Council position. This has been a public-service episode of “Condensed Nationalistic Crazy-Talk Threads”. ---
**Author:** ![Abisafyan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a4c791/32.png) [@Abisafyan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abisafyan)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2010, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/56 "2010-11-10T16:07:44Z")
> [@jjimm](#): > > Your metaphors, however, need some work. dear, you are not so easy!!! Anyhow, you can infer a lot from the metaphor in terms of vibrating geography, colossal eating capacity & category (viz herbivorous), polluting power and breakdown towards the lion!!! ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2010, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/57 "2010-11-10T16:08:25Z")
Bear in mind that Bangladesh owes India a significant debt of gratitude for liberating it from Pakistan. Then-East Pakistan often had even less of a voice in their own government prior to 1971 than Jammu and Kashmir has in India (where it is represented in the Congress like any other state). Bangladesh arguably has closer ties to India than to any other country. It’s rather unlikely that the Bangladeshi government would do that, in other words. ETA: _vibrating geography_? Is that like an earthquake? ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2010, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/58 "2010-11-10T16:10:18Z")
> [@Abisafyan](#): > > Allah Almighty adjudges on merit, dear! > Above all, status of everything has been settled, so no chance for ‘buffalo’ to thirst her soul for a permanent seat in the UN Security Council, she has ‘polluted’!!! Who are you to speak for Allah, Abisafyan, and presume what his judgment ought to be? ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2010, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/59 "2010-11-10T16:10:34Z")
I wasn’t suggesting Bangladesh was. I was merely pointing out why I don’t think Pakistan should be listened to in the slightest over anything to do with India. Hell or anything else for that matter. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2010, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/60 "2010-11-10T16:17:09Z")
Probably fair to say India shouldn’t be listened to about Pakistan, either, though. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013.md?page=4)