# Buffalo can’t become a Lion **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 9, 2010, 8:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013 "2010-11-09T08:32:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/101 "2010-11-12T18:49:02Z")
> [@Abisafyan](#): > > [link removed] Cool. No waiting! ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/102 "2010-11-12T18:51:26Z")
The text in the background reads, “no flash photography”. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2010, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/103 "2010-11-13T00:19:16Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Cool. No waiting! Unfortunately, that has been removed. (It was not removed as “hate speech” or “obscenity,” but because it was intended as an insult and served no purpose in the thread. There is no penalty for having quoted another post.) [/Modding] ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2010, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/104 "2010-11-13T00:33:48Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > Oh, but Pakistan is inhabited by a proud warrior race, yet India is inhabited by vegetarian cowards. So yeah. But India has better sex manuals. By what higher standard could a civilization possibly be judged? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![zamboniracer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9a140/32.png) [@zamboniracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zamboniracer)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2010, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/105 "2010-11-13T03:41:06Z")
I’m disappointed to see that this thread isn’t about this Sunday’s Buffalo Bills vs. Detroit Lions NFL game.[URL=“[NFL Picks, Week 10: Detroit Lions Vs. Buffalo Bills - SBNation.com](http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2010/11/12/1809732/nfl-picks-week-10-detroit-lions-vs-buffalo-bills)”] 😃 ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2010, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/106 "2010-11-13T03:52:58Z")
> [@zamboniracer](#): > > I’m disappointed to see that this thread isn’t about this Sunday’s Buffalo Bills vs. Detroit Lions NFL game.[URL=“[NFL Picks, Week 10: Detroit Lions Vs. Buffalo Bills | SB Nation](http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2010/11/12/1809732/nfl-picks-week-10-detroit-lions-vs-buffalo-bills)”] 😃 Maybe it is. We’re not really sure _what_ the OP is trying to say. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Abisafyan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a4c791/32.png) [@Abisafyan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abisafyan)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2010, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/107 "2010-11-13T14:55:51Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Hmm, I wonder why someone in from a different country might have different metaphors that make perfect sense to him. And I wonder if you would respond when even the moderator of the thread takes a hostile tone with you. > > In other words, calm down, ask nicely, and see if the guy will try to be more clear. Don’t get so defensive so quickly. After all some of the members are very very badmouthing, I don’t know why, perhaps they don’t find to how cope with the argument. Some are threatening of closing or locking the thread, so what, I will leave willfully if that is the intent!!! Everyone knows & understands well what I want to say but very few know how to deal the matter. Anyhow I am tenderfoot and hail from a far way country so difference among our inflection are natural. An illiterate Indian who is selling burgers in US for years of course his accent would be more pleasant-sounding in the vicinity as compared to others who have never visited US or other western country at all though they might have been scholars. Even peoples in one country speak same language differently. Largest & biggest are as different as sentimental & emotional are. Delicacies in words can’t be found in dictionaries; it can be seen & felt in spoken language. Sentimental connotes constructiveness in excitement etc while emotional connotes quite the opposite. I mean to say that India certainly is a big country in terms of population & territory but size alone does not determine destinies. For instance South Korea, Taiwan and some Scandinavian countries are smaller countries for sure in terms of size but they have gone far away in terms of all round advancement, aren’t they? India therefore needn’t begin dancing at President Obama’s vote of support in favor of India in her bid for securing place in Security Council. India’s per capita GDP is $1,032 while Pakistan’s per capita GDP is $1,067 so divide theirs by 1.3 billion and ours by 170 million and you will find the real worth of both. Not to hurt the heart of anyone I used metaphor of Buffalo & Lion. Buffalo has got a size but is very very deficient otherwise, so she can never ever become Lion, for Lion is a king in their world & buffalo is a cheap laborer at the most. India has per capita GDP $1,032, but she has got 1.3 billion mouths too!!! ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2010, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/108 "2010-11-13T15:39:15Z")
I suggest you look up the term “per capita”. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2010, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/109 "2010-11-13T16:00:56Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > I suggest you look up the term “per capita”. I’m surprised that a lawyer doesn’t know what “per capita” means. ---
**Author:** ![Abisafyan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a4c791/32.png) [@Abisafyan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abisafyan)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2010, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/110 "2010-11-13T16:01:28Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > I suggest you look up the term “per capita”. i know per capita well, i just wanted to say that indian economy is quantitative nor qualitative, in the given circumstances. ---
**Author:** ![Abisafyan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a4c791/32.png) [@Abisafyan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abisafyan)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2010, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/111 "2010-11-13T16:05:22Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > I’m surprised that a lawyer doesn’t know what “per capita” means. you just want harping on this tune ---
**Author:** ![Abisafyan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a4c791/32.png) [@Abisafyan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abisafyan)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2010, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/112 "2010-11-13T16:27:50Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > I’m surprised that a lawyer doesn’t know what “per capita” means. If I am lawyer then I will know well how to hit the target and when a lawyer does that, he can gauge his punch easily from the blaring, rolling & fury of the opponent!!! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2010, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/113 "2010-11-13T16:52:28Z")
> [@Abisafyan](#): > > If I am lawyer then I will know well how to hit the target and when a lawyer does that, he can gauge his punch easily from the blaring, rolling & fury of the opponent!!! Being as you are a lawyer, how is it that you overstated India’s population by by 150 million people? That is damn near Pakistan’s whole population. Is that what you are taught in Pakistan ? ---
**Author:** ![Abisafyan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a4c791/32.png) [@Abisafyan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abisafyan)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2010, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/114 "2010-11-13T16:57:20Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > Being as you are a lawyer, how is it that you overstated India’s population by by 150 million people? That is damn near Pakistan’s whole population. Is that what you are taught in Pakistan ? India population is round about 1.3 billion, wash first your eyes ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2010, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/115 "2010-11-13T17:03:22Z")
Could someone lend a hand, please? The only references I can find to a “lion and buffalo” metaphor are in the Bible. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2010, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/116 "2010-11-13T17:14:32Z")
> [@Abisafyan](#): > > India population is round about 1.3 billion, wash first your eyes Here’s my cite from the [World Bank](http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=wb-wdi&met=sp_pop_totl&idim=country:IND&dl=en&hl=en&q=india+population) 1.139 billion Let’s see your evidence, Mr. Lawyer. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2010, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/117 "2010-11-13T21:45:05Z")
It _used_ to be 1.3 billion, but then they got that Agatha Christie book and, well… you know… ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2010, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/118 "2010-11-14T02:10:59Z")
> [@zamboniracer](#): > > I’m disappointed to see that this thread isn’t about this Sunday’s Buffalo Bills vs. Detroit Lions NFL game.[URL=“[NFL Picks, Week 10: Detroit Lions Vs. Buffalo Bills | SB Nation](http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2010/11/12/1809732/nfl-picks-week-10-detroit-lions-vs-buffalo-bills)”] 😃 Well, it’s the Bills at home by 3, so that’s really what, a pick-em on a neutral field? ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2010, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/119 "2010-11-14T02:30:31Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > It _used_ to be 1.3 billion, but then they got that Agatha Christie book and, well… you know… Now the only people on our side are 700 million screaming Indians. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2010, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/120 "2010-11-14T08:07:53Z")
> [@Abisafyan](#): > > India’s per capita GDP is $1,032 while Pakistan’s per capita GDP is $1,067 so divide theirs by 1.3 billion and ours by 170 million and you will find the real worth of both. If you want to find the worth of both, you need to multiply the GDPpc by their population, not divide 😃 Then you’ll find out that there are only two permanent members of the security council with a higher GDP and that India ranks fourth in the world for GDP. The size of a nation’s economy is its strength and ever as important as its military capability. Yes, I know you’d rather be the lion. Like some other Pakistanis who pick off individuals from the vast herds of the Indian buffalo, like Mumbai. But you will never defeat them, for their strength is in the herd. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013.md?page=7)