# Buffalo can’t become a Lion **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 9, 2010, 8:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013 "2010-11-09T08:32:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Abisafyan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a4c791/32.png) [@Abisafyan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abisafyan)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2010, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/121 "2010-11-14T08:18:20Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > If you want to find the worth of both, you need to multiply the GDPpc by their population, not divide 😃 > Then you’ll find out that there are only two permanent members of the security council with a higher GDP and that India ranks fourth in the world for GDP. The size of a nation’s economy is its strength and ever as important as its military capability. > > Yes, I know you’d rather be the lion. Like some other Pakistanis who pick off individuals from the vast herds of the Indian buffalo, like Mumbai. But you will never defeat them, for their strength is in the herd. Indian entire population 1,173,108,018 (July 2010) (CIA- The World Fact); whose entire outcome in terms of per capita income is $1,032 while Pakistan’s population is 184,404,791 (July 2010) and her entire outcome in terms of per capita income is $1,067, which means simply that Pakistan inspite of all odds & turbulences since 9/11 is doing better than India, though which can’t be said enough, satisfactory or ideal by any stretch of imagination, that was my point. Ever nation best reflection is considered her GDP per capita income, which is negligible in both, Pakistan & India if it is seen vis-a-vis much smaller countries known as Asia Tigers, let alone Scandinavian countries!!! ---
**Author:** ![Abisafyan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a4c791/32.png) [@Abisafyan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abisafyan)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2010, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/122 "2010-11-14T08:28:11Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > …that India ranks fourth in the world for GDP. GDP - real growth rate: 7.4% (2009 est.) country comparison to the world: 10 7.4% (2008 est.) 9% (2007 est.) Are you relying on your own mind, which is relying on veg? [https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/in.html](https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/in.html) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2010, 8:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/123 "2010-11-14T08:35:24Z")
I want your cite for 1.3 billion. To follow your argument, should Luxembourg, ranked highest in GDPpc by the World Bank, be a permanent member of the Security Council ? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2010, 8:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/124 "2010-11-14T08:39:31Z")
> [@Abisafyan](#): > > GDP - real growth rate: > > 7.4% (2009 est.) > country comparison to the world: 10 > 7.4% (2008 est.) > 9% (2007 est.) > > Are you relying on your own mind, which is relying on veg? > > [https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/in.html](https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/in.html) What is “veg”? Are you disputing my assertion that India ranks fourth in the world for GDP ? ---
**Author:** ![Abisafyan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a4c791/32.png) [@Abisafyan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abisafyan)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2010, 8:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/125 "2010-11-14T08:51:00Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > The size of a nation’s economy is its strength and ever as important as its military capability. > > Yes, I know you’d rather be the lion. Like some other Pakistanis who pick off individuals from the vast herds of the Indian buffalo, like Mumbai. But you will never defeat them, for their strength is in the herd. Engrave in your mind for ever; that Muslims have never ever fought against smaller and weak enemies in terms of men & means throughout the history. Muslims have never ever outnumbered the enemy in terms of men & means, nonetheless Muslims have won almost all the wars in the past. Go through history. You are 1,173,108,018 nonetheless you could not produce a single notable fast bowler, this is why India is called as buffalo by some world class writers ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2010, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/126 "2010-11-14T08:55:06Z")
> [@Abisafyan](#): > > …this is why India is called as buffalo by some world class writers Cite, please. What “world class writers” refer to India as buffalo? ---
**Author:** ![Abisafyan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a4c791/32.png) [@Abisafyan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abisafyan)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2010, 8:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/127 "2010-11-14T08:59:25Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > What is “veg”? > > ? hindus are vegitarian so a vegitarian is referred to in short as veg and the veg food is called vegan diet as well. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2010, 9:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/128 "2010-11-14T09:01:45Z")
> [@Abisafyan](#): > > hindus are vegitarian so a vegitarian is referred to in short as veg and the veg food is called vegan diet as well. Vegetarian food is not the same as vegan food. What “world class writers” refer to India as buffalo? ---
**Author:** ![Abisafyan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a4c791/32.png) [@Abisafyan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abisafyan)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2010, 9:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/129 "2010-11-14T09:03:37Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Cite, please. What “world class writers” refer to India as buffalo? you may count one me therefrom, and i will enlist others after taking permission from them, first!!! ---
**Author:** ![bdgr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@bdgr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bdgr)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2010, 9:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/130 "2010-11-14T09:05:11Z")
Great. Now I want Buffalo Wings. ---
**Author:** ![Abisafyan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a4c791/32.png) [@Abisafyan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abisafyan)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2010, 9:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/131 "2010-11-14T09:06:31Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Vegetarian food is not the same as vegan food. you believe nothing, after all. > **[Vegetarianism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism)** > > Vegetarianism is the practice of abstaining from the consumption of meat (red meat, poultry, seafood, insects, and the flesh of any other animal). It may also include abstaining from eating all by-products of animal slaughter. A person who practices vegetarianism is known as a vegetarian. > Vegetarianism may be adopted for various reasons. Many people object to eating meat out of respect for sentient animal life. Such ethical motivations have been codified under various religious beliefs as well... ---
**Author:** ![Abisafyan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a4c791/32.png) [@Abisafyan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abisafyan)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2010, 9:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/132 "2010-11-14T09:10:52Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > Are you disputing my assertion that India ranks fourth in the world for GDP ? sure, go through it yourself [https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/in.html](https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/in.html) ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2010, 9:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/133 "2010-11-14T09:10:59Z")
> [@Abisafyan](#): > > you may count one me therefrom, and i will enlist others after taking permission from them, first!!! No. You are definitely _not_ a “world class writer” in any sense of the word. What “world class writers” refer to India as buffalo? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2010, 9:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/134 "2010-11-14T09:13:50Z")
> [@Abisafyan](#): > > you believe nothing, after all. > [Vegetarianism - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism) I believe that I am correct-vegan is a subset of vegetarian. They are not the same. ---
**Author:** ![Abisafyan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a4c791/32.png) [@Abisafyan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abisafyan)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2010, 9:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/135 "2010-11-14T09:15:42Z")
> [@bdgr](#): > > Great. Now I want Buffalo Wings. Sure my friend, my pleasure, but you will have to visit me! ---
**Author:** ![Abisafyan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a4c791/32.png) [@Abisafyan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abisafyan)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2010, 9:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/136 "2010-11-14T09:21:39Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > No. You are definitely _not_ a “world class writer” in any sense of the word. actually a world class reader & a well educated person can opine on world class writers and you are not from the fold! ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2010, 9:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/137 "2010-11-14T09:45:46Z")
> [@Abisafyan](#): > > actually a world class reader & a well educated person can opine on world class writers and you are not from the fold! Please support your own statement and tell us what “world class writers” refer to India as buffalo. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2010, 9:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/138 "2010-11-14T09:55:58Z")
> [@Abisafyan](#): > > Engrave in your mind for ever; that Muslims have never ever fought against smaller and weak enemies in terms of men & means throughout the history. > Muslims have never ever outnumbered the enemy in terms of men & means, nonetheless Muslims have won almost all the wars in the past. Go through history. Ahem. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2010, 10:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/139 "2010-11-14T10:45:26Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Ahem. Oh, sure, count on the Israeli to point that one out. Is there an animal symbol for India? For instance, China is the dragon, Russia the bear, the US the eagle, and so on. You know, something that sounds like it should be in the title of a Tom Clancy novel. For what it’s worth, Wikipedia gives a list of national emblems: India – Lion Capital of Asoka (National Emblem of India), Bengal Tiger (national animal), Peacock (national bird), King Cobra (national reptile), Gangetic River Dolphin (national aquatic animal), Lotus (national flower). Pakistan – Markhor (national animal) and Snow Leopard (official); Chukar (national bird) and Peregrine falcon (unofficial) ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2010, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffalo-can-t-become-a-lion/560013/140 "2010-11-14T12:48:44Z")
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