# Buffy Lives! (spoilers of course) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 3, 2001, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffy-lives-spoilers-of-course/85103 "2001-10-03T02:10:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![lolagranola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ea5d25/32.png) [@lolagranola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lolagranola)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2001, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffy-lives-spoilers-of-course/85103/41 "2001-10-03T23:26:57Z")
> [@](#): > > - It was Tara who said the “horsies!” line from last season. Well, kinda. She did say horsies, but Willow was the one who said not to hit them. Tara: \ Horsies! Willow: Tara! Giles: Weapons? Spike: Hello! You’re driving one! Willow: Don’t hit the horsies! Buffy: \ We won’t! \ Aim for the horsies. [The Sunnydale Slayers - Quotes - Spiral](http://www.enteract.com/~perridox/SunS/quotes/spiral.html) I do agree with **Telemark**. There ought to have been a few episodes without her. We could have had a good view of what life was like while she was dead, and maybe watched them form the idea to bring her back. ---
**Author:** ![Interrobang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/interrobang/32/17463_2.png) [@Interrobang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Interrobang)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2001, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffy-lives-spoilers-of-course/85103/42 "2001-10-03T23:41:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by C K Dexter Haven \* > There should have been a different plot device to return Buffy – not least, Angel is owed a resurrection from last season. That would’ve been my choice for method of resurrection. I realize that crossovers are difficult these days, but even though I can rationally accept that “mystical energy” deaths work a little differently, it’s not very satisfying dramatically. And I though the motivation for resurrecting her could have been better (or at least played up more). Why do they fear that she’s in a hell dimension? That seemed a little tacked on, to go beyond the obvious just-really-wanting-her-back bit. If they’d established some specific reason for her metaphysical whereabouts to be unknown and probably unpleasant, that’d be one thing. I don’t want to complain overmuch. I’m glad Buffy’s back, if only because Glory was an unsatisfying way for her to go out, either for a season or for good. ---
**Author:** ![Fiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e274bd/32.png) [@Fiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiver)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2001, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffy-lives-spoilers-of-course/85103/43 "2001-10-03T23:52:58Z")
Not to be technical, guys, but isn’t Angel owed, not quite a resurrection, but rather a saved life, as Darla wasn’t dead when he conquered the challenge. Curing a syphilitic heart condition isn’t going to bring Buffy back to life. **glee** , I’m sorry about the spoiler, but my thread title was simply riffing on an outdoor advertising campaign that’s been running all summer here in the U.S. Billboards have been done over in blood-red and show Buffy’s eyes, and below the eyes are the words “Buffy Lives” and the date of the premiere. Had you really been able to avoid knowing Buffy died last season? Even while frequenting this board? ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2001, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffy-lives-spoilers-of-course/85103/44 "2001-10-04T00:58:01Z")
I thought it was pretty good. Except: - I’m not happy about the new intro. Most of it’s fine, but…but…they changed the last part! I loved that part ☹ - this is really stupid, but did it bother anyone else that the girls’ hair styles were all so similar? I found something disturbing about that… - I’ll miss the Buffy Bot - Why the hell didn’t Tara do any spells when they were being attacked? She was once more powerful than Willow, so she must be able to do something significant… Other than that, no complaints. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2001, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffy-lives-spoilers-of-course/85103/45 "2001-10-04T01:43:54Z")
Was anyone else thrown by seeing Buffy in a dress? I’d never thought about it before, but a couple times they cut to Buffy spin-kicking someone in her burial gown, and I thought, “Long hair, skirt, was that Tara?” Speaking of Tara and Willow’s kiss, I’m surprised that no one has mentioned Tara and Willow in bed together, right before Dawn got got up and snuggled the BuffyBot. Anyone else think Spike is becoming a good guy because he’s lonely? He got rejected a lot when he was human, he got dumped by Darla, thanks to his chip he’s been ostracized by the demon community. Maybe he just wants some friends. ---
**Author:** ![andygirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a9adbd/32.png) [@andygirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andygirl)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2001, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffy-lives-spoilers-of-course/85103/46 "2001-10-04T01:55:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Miller \* > \*\*Speaking of Tara and Willow’s kiss, I’m surprised that no one has mentioned Tara and Willow in bed together, right before Dawn got got up and snuggled the BuffyBot. \*\* That rocked too. 😃 Oh, and there are certainly good demons in the Buffyverse- Angel in particular has come across peaceful and/or helpful races. And Whistler (from Becoming) was a demon. ---
**Author:** ![pldennison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9fc29f/32.png) [@pldennison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pldennison)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2001, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffy-lives-spoilers-of-course/85103/47 "2001-10-04T02:26:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Devil’s Grandmother \* > \*\*I think the significant quote was, “Am I in hell?”. \*\* **Peta Tzunami** speculated that, maybe when she jumped into the gate, she went to Heaven or its equivalent, and that’s why she asked that. After all, the Powers that Be (if they operate in the Angelverse, they must operate in the Buffyverse) could have easily rewarded her for selflessly saving all of creation. If so, she would have been pulled back from someplace wonderful to the inside of a coffin, only to be met after digging out by burning cars and buildings and general chaos. I speculate that there is going to be a major falling-out between Willow and Buffy due to the Scoobies “usurping,” so to speak, her right to make the decision to kill herself. **Dex** , Peta also pointed out that in the episode “The Zeppo,” the guys Xander was hanging out with were also brought back from the dead. There seems to be no hard-and-fast rule. ---
**Author:** ![kung\_fu\_lola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f4b2a3/32.png) [@kung\_fu\_lola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kung_fu_lola)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2001, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffy-lives-spoilers-of-course/85103/48 "2001-10-04T02:32:33Z")
A male witch is not a “warlock”. IIRC, “warlock” means “truth-twister”, and has negative connotations. Man-witches have many options of what to call themselves, some of which I can’t remember at the mo. Uh, all the male witches I know just call themselves “Pagan”. I’m surprised no one has set TPTB straight on this. They made the same mistake in _Gingerbread_ in season 3. ---
**Author:** ![Interrobang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/interrobang/32/17463_2.png) [@Interrobang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Interrobang)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2001, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffy-lives-spoilers-of-course/85103/49 "2001-10-04T05:15:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by pldennison \* > Peta also pointed out that in the episode “The Zeppo,” the guys Xander was hanging out with were also brought back from the dead. There seems to be no hard-and-fast rule. Yeah, but they were zombies. They considered themselves still dead, as I recall. Zombies have been addressed a few times, conversationally and otherwise. I should also say, though, that I liked the episode(s) overall. The pacing was a little off – they felt rushed – but I thought the emotional bonds came through loud and clear, and they’re one of the things that attracts me to the show. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2001, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffy-lives-spoilers-of-course/85103/50 "2001-10-04T11:15:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Fiver \* > **glee** , I’m sorry about the spoiler, but my thread title was simply riffing on an outdoor advertising campaign that’s been running all summer here in the U.S. Billboards have been done over in blood-red and show Buffy’s eyes, and below the eyes are the words “Buffy Lives” and the date of the premiere. > > Had you really been able to avoid knowing Buffy died last season? Even while frequenting this board? It’s not your fault that the BBC don’t run these series on time! It does become frustrating for me: choosing between joining in your excellent conversations, or avoiding knowing the plots till they happen. But there has been little advertising of Buffy here (what a country - we run Seinfeld at 23.00!). OK, I knew something was up, and you don’t need to apologise - I was basically acquainting you with the terrible delays we get here with fine US TV. ---
**Author:** ![lolagranola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ea5d25/32.png) [@lolagranola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lolagranola)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2001, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffy-lives-spoilers-of-course/85103/51 "2001-10-04T12:17:37Z")
Ah, **glee** , but the UK has something that we don’t. Buffy DVD’s, which I’ve been waiting and waiting for. You also have more Buffy videotapes to choose from. And I have to buy imported Buffy mags from the UK as well. Ok, I don’t _have_ to, I like to. ---
**Author:** ![Beadalin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@Beadalin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beadalin)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2001, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffy-lives-spoilers-of-course/85103/52 "2001-10-04T14:08:33Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Telemark_ > My biggest complaint is that they brought Buffy back so soon. I mean, when you kill off the title character, it is supposed to mean something. We only got about 40 minutes of the Scooby gang reacting to their loss, then she’s back. Yeah, I was thinking about that, too. I honestly expected, like others have said, that the Buffybot would hang around for longer while we saw more of the struggle to get the necessary components for bringing Buffy back. However, it has been three months (even in Sunnydale time) since Buffy died, and it would have been just as awkward and contrived to have token episodes between the premiere and the resurrection. I also think that all is not right with Buffy yet. There will be consequences for the spell not being completed correctly. Even accounting for her shock, I think she’s not all mentally there yet, part of which might have been evidenced by her tunnel vision and blank, automatic responses to everything she sees and hears. I got the impression that her escape from the tower with Dawn was more due the fact that Dawn used a tearful phrase which got the automatic “rescue response” from Buffy, in much the way that being menaced by demons made Buffy go into fight mode, though nothing was resonating with her emotionally. We’ll see. I trust Joss to provide a kick-ass season, again. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2001, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffy-lives-spoilers-of-course/85103/53 "2001-10-04T15:24:37Z")
elfkin > [@](#): > > - Why the hell didn’t Tara do any spells when they were being attacked? She did,a as I previously mentioned. She rescued Anya, she cast a locator spell for Willow and she created a fireburst. The locator spell led to another moment that I liked, Willow’s “it’s Tara” with the beatific expression on her face. Sweet. Zander is “in construction,” dunno that they’ve ever specifically said he’s a “carpenter.” He’s apparently currently working, as he talks about Tito, the guy “at work” that he hits it off with. As far as how Dawn and Bufy have money to live on, I’m guessing Joyce had life insurance. ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2001, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffy-lives-spoilers-of-course/85103/54 "2001-10-04T15:40:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Otto \* > \*\*As far as how Dawn and Bufy have money to live on, I’m guessing Joyce had life insurance. \*\* Life insurance? In Sunnydale? The town must be a black hole on their actuarial tables. ---
**Author:** ![Edwardina](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Edwardina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Edwardina)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2001, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffy-lives-spoilers-of-course/85103/55 "2001-10-04T18:00:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Beadalin \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by Edwardina_: > > And the Scoobies did seem a bit slow on the uptake in realizing that Buffy’s ressurection spell would not automatically extract her from her coffin. > > It took it more as a solid indicator that they didn’t think the spell had worked _at all_. Remember, Willow is in shock and says, “It was all for nothing. … Buffy isn’t coming back.” All the Scoobies think they’ve failed (the spell seemed incomplete), and so don’t consider that it had worked and Buffy was merely trapped in the ground. Then they see her alive, filthy, and with bloody hands, and as the shock of seeing her at all wears off, they put two and two together. It made sense to me.\*\* The thing that put me in a quandry was why they seemed so sure that the spell hadn’t worked. Sure, it appeared to go wrong near the end, but what kind of evidence that it did worked were they expecting to see? Seems a little naive for the Scoobies, after all they’ve been through, to take something so important at face value. I mean, running back into the woods without even checking Buffy’s status - and then boo-hooing that it didn’t work - I was sort of surprised at them. If they were all fired up to have Buffy back, you’d think they’d want to be absolutely certain that the spell hadn’t taken before blowing off for the evening. I agree with **The Devil’s Grandmother** about Buffy’s line “Am I in hell?” That’s what I was thinking as she was roaming around, staring into burning cars, with demons running rampant everywhere: If I were her, I’d think I was in hell. That part was truly wrenching, in true Joss style. I do think that it was all resolved a little too quickly, easily, and undramatically. Maybe there’s a reason for these little inconsistencies that lurk and linger in the back of one’s mind. I’ve been doubtful before, but Joss has never disappointed me yet. I am sure that The Master (Joss, not the vampire guru guy) will tie up all these loose ends for us as the season progresses. Dawn freaked me out at first, but I got used to her, and there _was_ a good explanation for all the weirdness that began last season - I am confident that there are revelations awaiting us that will wipe the stain of confusion from our minds. I hope. ---
**Author:** ![katiekilldare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/838e76/32.png) [@katiekilldare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/katiekilldare)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2001, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffy-lives-spoilers-of-course/85103/56 "2001-10-04T18:09:16Z")
I was particularly upset when the poor, doomed, Buffybot mouthed “Buffy”, right before being torn to bits. Horrible! Also, it was disappointing to see Anya back to her old, most irritating, ways. She’d begun to show some much-needed depth at the latter half of last season, but I was back to snarling at her during the premiere. ---
**Author:** ![lolagranola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ea5d25/32.png) [@lolagranola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lolagranola)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2001, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffy-lives-spoilers-of-course/85103/57 "2001-10-04T22:39:45Z")
I didn’t snarl at Anya when she was like that at the beginning of her run. Newly human. I can relate. I was once newly human myself. I’m snarling at her now because I figured she would have learned SOMETHING after all this time, especially after last season! But I have faith. Um, faith, not Faith. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2001, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffy-lives-spoilers-of-course/85103/58 "2001-10-04T23:41:52Z")
> [@](#): > > Life insurance? In Sunnydale? The town must be a black hole on their actuarial tables. Joyce probably bought the policy before they moved to Sunnydale. And even if she bought it in Sunnydale, she died of complications following surgery so the “no demon-induced deaths” clause that Sunnydale Mutual slips into all its policies wasn’t invoked. ---
**Author:** ![Gozu\_Tashoya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/7993a0/32.png) [@Gozu\_Tashoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gozu_Tashoya)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2001, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffy-lives-spoilers-of-course/85103/59 "2001-10-04T23:58:22Z")
Say, those cuts that Willow got, they looked pretty serious, fatal even. Did they close up or, at the very least, coagulate at a faster-than-one-might-expect rate? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2001, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffy-lives-spoilers-of-course/85103/60 "2001-10-05T00:39:12Z")
Speaking of nasty looking cuts, how about those gouges in Cordelia in Monday’s Angel? Those things looked like they should have been spraying plasma like a fire hose. When she was on Buffy, she was pretty heartless. Now that she’s on Angel, she seems to have been upgraded to merely “bloodless.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffy-lives-spoilers-of-course/85103.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffy-lives-spoilers-of-course/85103.md?page=4)