# Buffy Series 7 (and what's up with Joss and SMG?) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 4, 2009, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffy-series-7-and-whats-up-with-joss-and-smg/484403 "2009-02-04T12:02:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![The\_Controvert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dec6dc/32.png) [@The\_Controvert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Controvert)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffy-series-7-and-whats-up-with-joss-and-smg/484403/41 "2009-02-05T18:23:15Z")
I recently rewatched Angel Season 4 and it was amazing and highly entertaining. If you do, try to spot the appearances by Alonzo Bodden from _Last Comic Standing_, Jessica Kiper who was Sugar on the latest season of _Survivor_, and Annie Werschling who is Agent Renee Walker aka “Agent Rowrrr” from this season of _24_. Don’t waste your time convincing the girlfriend, just buy it and start watching it. ---
**Author:** ![Petrobey\_Mavromihalis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bcef8e/32.png) [@Petrobey\_Mavromihalis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Petrobey_Mavromihalis)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffy-series-7-and-whats-up-with-joss-and-smg/484403/42 "2009-02-05T18:38:01Z")
> [@The\_Controvert](#): > > Don’t waste your time convincing the girlfriend, just buy it and start watching it. If only! Unfortunately we live a rather hand to mouth existence, and £50 on entertainment is something that needs discussion. We shall see . . . ---
**Author:** ![Bumbershoot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bumbershoot/32/3428_2.png) [@Bumbershoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bumbershoot)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffy-series-7-and-whats-up-with-joss-and-smg/484403/43 "2009-02-05T19:12:11Z")
> [@Petrobey\_Mavromihalis](#): > > It’s interesting when I think about it, actually. Almost all the characters annoyed me early on, including Buffy and especially Spike, but they grew on me big time. With some of them that process didn’t get to its end. Cordelia was beginning to become interesting before she left, but Angel and Wesley were just annoying. It might be fun to be wooed by them. (Although using this argument with the girlfriend is _really_ not going to work!) I thought Cordelia, Angel and Wesley all became much more interesting, complex characters on _Angel_. After a particularly good episode, I found myself thinking “I like this show better that _Buffy!_” Then I’d see a particularly good episode of _Buffy_ and say “No, this show is better than _Angel!_” I like both shows, a lot. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffy-series-7-and-whats-up-with-joss-and-smg/484403/44 "2009-02-05T19:14:48Z")
I much preferred season 4 of Angel (which I know many people hated, but I personally enjoyed the ‘turgid supernatural soap opera’) to season 7 of Buffy. And season 5 of Angel was some damned fine television. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffy-series-7-and-whats-up-with-joss-and-smg/484403/45 "2009-02-05T19:30:25Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > I much preferred season 4 of Angel (which I know many people hated, but I personally enjoyed the ‘turgid supernatural soap opera’) to season 7 of Buffy. And season 5 of Angel was some damned fine television. I agree. In fact, I’d rank season 4 of Angel as the best season of any Buffy/Angel show. Yes, better than any individual season of Buffy. ---
**Author:** ![Snooooopy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Snooooopy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snooooopy)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffy-series-7-and-whats-up-with-joss-and-smg/484403/46 "2009-02-05T19:36:06Z")
> [@Petrobey\_Mavromihalis](#): > > Also, whoever designed the axe itself (I mean the prop) was a moron. It looks like some sort of teenage ninja fantasy I have always liked to refer to it as Barbie’s Dream Hatchet. It doesn’t look like it was forged long ago by a group of powerful women. It looks like it was forged by Mattel. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffy-series-7-and-whats-up-with-joss-and-smg/484403/47 "2009-02-05T19:54:02Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I agree. In fact, I’d rank season 4 of Angel as the best season of any Buffy/Angel show. Yes, better than any individual season of Buffy. Eh. I’m just the opposite. The top of my list are _B3_ and _A5_. The bottom are _B6_ and _A4_. But even the bottom seasons had stand-out episodes. Tell the GF you’ll be her love-slave if she doesn’t like _Angel_. Win-win! ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2009, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffy-series-7-and-whats-up-with-joss-and-smg/484403/48 "2009-02-05T20:26:48Z")
No no no… tell her you’ll be her love-slave if she DOES like Angel! That way she’ll have to at least pretend to like it for long enough to actually grow to like it! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/buffy-series-7-and-whats-up-with-joss-and-smg/484403.md?page=2)