# Bugs Bunny, 1939-2005; or, Latest New Lows Set By TV Execs. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 17, 2005, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bugs-bunny-1939-2005-or-latest-new-lows-set-by-tv-execs/290489 "2005-02-17T04:50:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bugs-bunny-1939-2005-or-latest-new-lows-set-by-tv-execs/290489/21 "2005-02-17T11:41:10Z")
> [@Talon Karrde](#): > > That design actually looks cool… but not for Bugs Bunny. It’s not Bugs Bunny. It’s his descendent from the 28th Century. ---
**Author:** ![Metacom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@Metacom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Metacom)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bugs-bunny-1939-2005-or-latest-new-lows-set-by-tv-execs/290489/22 "2005-02-17T11:46:14Z")
> [@Snooooopy](#): > > But does “Recess” have a segment at the end of every episode where you learn an important lesson about life? Yes. At the end, when you’re scraping bits of rock and asphalt out of your new scrapes, you learn that people can be assholes. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bugs-bunny-1939-2005-or-latest-new-lows-set-by-tv-execs/290489/23 "2005-02-17T11:56:42Z")
A newer, edgier bugs bunny and company, each one with a different crime fighting power? :dubious: I think a piece of my childhood has just died a terrible death. Next they’ll remake all of the Marx bros. movies with Will Ferrell, Jim Breuer, and Horatio Sanz. ---
**Author:** ![Domokun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c77e96/32.png) [@Domokun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Domokun)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bugs-bunny-1939-2005-or-latest-new-lows-set-by-tv-execs/290489/24 "2005-02-17T11:57:03Z")
> [@Snooooopy](#): > > But does “Recess” have a segment at the end of every episode where you learn an important lesson about life? Ah the “shitty moral” as it was known in our household. Thanks for the memories. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Ponder\_Stibbons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponder_stibbons/32/343_2.png) [@Ponder\_Stibbons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponder_Stibbons)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bugs-bunny-1939-2005-or-latest-new-lows-set-by-tv-execs/290489/25 "2005-02-17T13:17:09Z")
Damn. Whatever “it” is, it isn’t Bugs Bunny. Someday. Someday Bugs’ll be back. When we most need him. At our darkest hour, he’ll return. Probably about the same time King Arthur shows back up in England. ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bugs-bunny-1939-2005-or-latest-new-lows-set-by-tv-execs/290489/26 "2005-02-17T13:31:55Z")
Nothing will ever touch Braveheart for corny life lessons at the end of the program. the drugs episode was the worst offender of the lot. It put me right off my addiction to “spin”. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bugs-bunny-1939-2005-or-latest-new-lows-set-by-tv-execs/290489/27 "2005-02-17T13:39:43Z")
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**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bugs-bunny-1939-2005-or-latest-new-lows-set-by-tv-execs/290489/28 "2005-02-17T13:40:50Z")
the enter key is your friend, Bosda. ---
**Author:** ![UrbanChic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/9dc877/32.png) [@UrbanChic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UrbanChic)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bugs-bunny-1939-2005-or-latest-new-lows-set-by-tv-execs/290489/29 "2005-02-17T13:48:22Z")
Of course, you know, this means war… ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bugs-bunny-1939-2005-or-latest-new-lows-set-by-tv-execs/290489/30 "2005-02-17T14:08:24Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > A newer, edgier bugs bunny and company, each one with a different crime fighting power? :dubious: > > I think a piece of my childhood has just died a terrible death. Next they’ll remake all of the Marx bros. movies with Will Ferrell, Jim Breuer, and Horatio Sanz. Don’t _say_ things like that! You’re just giving them ideas! ---
**Author:** ![Menocchio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de053/32.png) [@Menocchio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Menocchio)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bugs-bunny-1939-2005-or-latest-new-lows-set-by-tv-execs/290489/31 "2005-02-17T14:11:12Z")
> [@MGibson](#): > > I thought the overblown comparison was what made it so funny. I do agree with the sentiment though. In '99 or '00 Cartoon Network started showing Thundercats and I happily sat down to watch a beloved program from my childhood. It was so horrible I had to turn it off lest my memories become tainted. Animation has come a long way since the 80’s. Batman: TAS, Superman, Justice League, Animaniacs, and other cartoons are being produced that can entertain children as well as adults. Ever see a cartoon called Recess? It’s light years ahead of Thundercats and GI Joe. > > Marc I agree. Let’s be honest here folks, Loonatics doesn’t look like a winner (but again, it’s not supposed to be Bugs, at all, it’s a related character in an entirely new cartoon), but other than occasional missteps like that, I think we may be living in the golden age of television animation. Justice League (and the entire Dini/Timm DCU), Kim Possible, Recess, Duck Dodgers, Kids Next Door, Samurai Jack, Futurama, Family Guy, the Simpsons, Jackie Chan, Powerpuff Girls… When I had cable, easily half of what I watched was animated. They stll don’t reach the pinnacles of Warbr Brother’s stuff during the 1950’s and 1940’s, but thatw as a long time ago and made for feature films anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Kaspar\_Hauser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b3f665/32.png) [@Kaspar\_Hauser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kaspar_Hauser)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bugs-bunny-1939-2005-or-latest-new-lows-set-by-tv-execs/290489/32 "2005-02-17T14:18:17Z")
Am I missing something? That article specifically said it _wasn’t_ Bugs Bunny. It’s a new character called Buzz Bunny. ---
**Author:** ![NothingMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b77776/32.png) [@NothingMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NothingMan)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bugs-bunny-1939-2005-or-latest-new-lows-set-by-tv-execs/290489/33 "2005-02-17T14:23:37Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > ANext they’ll remake all of the Marx bros. movies with Will Ferrell, Jim Breuer, and Horatio Sanz. **HEY**! Don’t give them any ideas! Sheesh what were you _thinking_??? ---
**Author:** ![NothingMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b77776/32.png) [@NothingMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NothingMan)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bugs-bunny-1939-2005-or-latest-new-lows-set-by-tv-execs/290489/34 "2005-02-17T14:25:19Z")
:smack: Stupid simulpost. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bugs-bunny-1939-2005-or-latest-new-lows-set-by-tv-execs/290489/35 "2005-02-17T14:25:54Z")
Well, I wil have to think that this is NOT Bugs–and then maybe I can deal with it. I don’t understand what the guy means when he says he has to make Loony Tunes accessible to kids today. My 6, 13 and 15 y/o ALL love the old post WW2 Bugs. but then again, those cartoons were smart and sassy and had any number of innuendos and allusions to classical music, literature, politics of the day etc. It’s the dumbing down that distresses me, more than the image change (although he sure don’t look like Bugs!) ---
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bugs-bunny-1939-2005-or-latest-new-lows-set-by-tv-execs/290489/36 "2005-02-17T14:33:13Z")
When I read the title of the thread, I thought that Elmer finally bagged him. ---
**Author:** ![Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hey_It_s_That_Guy)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bugs-bunny-1939-2005-or-latest-new-lows-set-by-tv-execs/290489/37 "2005-02-17T14:37:34Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > **AFG** , no offense to you but if you’re going to insult today’s animation and cartoons, please don’t try to use _Thundercats_ and the other action-adventure cartoons of the 80’s as counter-evidence. I **LOVED** _Transformers_, _Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles_, _He-Man_, _Thundercats_, _G.I. Joe_, and all the other Saturday morning fare that I grew up on as a child of the 80’s but watching them now that I’ve grown up is like watching your sister get raped and then murdered. > > Horrible animation, terrible voicework, the worst dialogue imaginable, and plotlines, when extant, that make the latest Bruckheimer film seem like Shakespeare. My mother was obviously a saint for suffering through them every Saturday for years on end just so I could have a little entertainment. You’re young (you’ve said so yourself), so I chalk this up to the capriciousness of youth, and being a little bit too young to appreciate G.I. Joe and Transformers at the time. The other ones… meh, I agree with you. But those were the “Big Two” of '80s toy commercial/cartoons, and the voice work was actually pretty damn good in comparison to everything else at the time (and a good deal of today’s cartoons), and some of the writing was surprisingly mature and interesting, given the audience. Go watch Transformers: The Movie (featuring breathtaking animation, dark subject matter, extreme violence, and voice actors including Judd Nelson, Leonard Nimoy, Robert Stack, and Orson Welles) and tell me it isn’t GOOD, if not great. Or don’t, it’s a free country. But I couldn’t let you get those comments by without a rebuttal and a :rolleyes: . ---
**Author:** ![35340](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/8baadc/32.png) [@35340](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/35340)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bugs-bunny-1939-2005-or-latest-new-lows-set-by-tv-execs/290489/38 "2005-02-17T14:37:44Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > The original is being untouched and is still there for your enjoyment. no, it’s not. [http://looney.goldenagecartoons.com/ltcuts/](http://looney.goldenagecartoons.com/ltcuts/) ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bugs-bunny-1939-2005-or-latest-new-lows-set-by-tv-execs/290489/39 "2005-02-17T15:09:15Z")
> [@Big Bad Voodoo Lou](#): > > You’re young (you’ve said so yourself), so I chalk this up to the capriciousness of youth, and being a little bit too young to appreciate G.I. Joe and Transformers at the time. The other ones… meh, I agree with you. But those were the “Big Two” of '80s toy commercial/cartoons, and the voice work was actually pretty damn good in comparison to everything else at the time (and a good deal of today’s cartoons), and some of the writing was surprisingly mature and interesting, given the audience. Go watch Transformers: The Movie (featuring breathtaking animation, dark subject matter, extreme violence, and voice actors including Judd Nelson, Leonard Nimoy, Robert Stack, and Orson Welles) and tell me it isn’t GOOD, if not great. Or don’t, it’s a free country. But I couldn’t let you get those comments by without a rebuttal. I am compelled to rebut your rebuttal. I’ve watched \*Transformers: The Movie. Heck, I was one of the 15 people to see it in the theater, and I bought the DVD off the discount rack for my son. He wasn’t impressed by much other than the same thing me and my nerdy friends were impressed with: DEAD autobots. Somehow, Megatron started working and shooting things actually had an affect. Wasn’t that Orson Welles last role? One he didn’t even have to roll out of bed to perform? Talk about your falls from grace. Compared to the series, the movie was high art. GI Joe’s movie was horrible, worse than the series before the movie, and about equal to it after the movie. There were, at most, 1/2 dozen good lines of dialog through the whole series. My personal favorite was Stormshadow telling Quick Kick, “I’d kill you now, but that would deprive me of the pleasure of killing you later” (said after he had trashed QK in melee combat). While I watched many of the series of that era (yes, I was a geeky nerd, as I was a little old for them), the only one I though was well done was _Adventures of the Galaxy Rangers_. ---
**Author:** ![Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hey_It_s_That_Guy)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bugs-bunny-1939-2005-or-latest-new-lows-set-by-tv-execs/290489/40 "2005-02-17T15:40:31Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > I am compelled to rebut your rebuttal. > > I’ve watched \*Transformers: The Movie. Heck, I was one of the 15 people to see it in the theater, and I bought the DVD off the discount rack for my son. He wasn’t impressed by much other than the same thing me and my nerdy friends were impressed with: DEAD autobots. Somehow, Megatron started working and shooting things actually had an affect. > > Wasn’t that Orson Welles last role? One he didn’t even have to roll out of bed to perform? Talk about your falls from grace. > > Compared to the series, the movie was high art. I saw it in the theater too, and I’ve refrained from buying the DVD in hopes of a special edition to be released later. But TF: TM seems to have left an impression on the men of our generation. I don’t know any guy in his mid-20s who doesn’t well up a little at the thought of Optimus Prime’s heroic death in battle, shudder at the shocking deaths of Prowl, Brawn, Ratchet, and Ironhide, or get pumped up from the opening synthesizer strains of Stan Bush’s “You Got the Touch.” The animation in the movie was far superior to the cartoon, but the third season of the cartoon, the one that followed the movie and took place in the future, was very good as well–again, much darker in tone, dealing with mature themes like death, destiny, sacrifice, and living up to the memory of one’s predecessors. As for Welles, he passed away DURING the voice recording, so some of Unicron’s lines were spoken by Leonard Nimoy (already doing the voice of Galvatron). > [@D\_Odds](#): > > GI Joe’s movie was horrible, worse than the series before the movie, and about equal to it after the movie. There were, at most, 1/2 dozen good lines of dialog through the whole series. My personal favorite was Stormshadow telling Quick Kick, “I’d kill you now, but that would deprive me of the pleasure of killing you later” (said after he had trashed QK in melee combat). > > While I watched many of the series of that era (yes, I was a geeky nerd, as I was a little old for them), the only one I though was well done was _Adventures of the Galaxy Rangers_. G.I. Joe: The Movie was a pretty big disappointment aside from the breathtaking opening sequence. (It was meant to be a theatrical release, but premiered on TV after the dismal box office takes from Transformers and My Little Pony: The Movie.) The entire Cobra-La plot was horrible, I won’t argue, and the whole thing would have been much more resonant and effective if Duke had died, as per the original script. But as a series, G.I. Joe (like Transformers) had some really good moments of character development, terrific voice acting (I still will stand behind this), and some real mind-fuck episodes that still stand up well today, even if the rest of the series was mediocre at best. Keep in mind I’m comparing these against contemporaries like Masters of the Universe, Centurions, M.A.S.K., and Thundercats, and keep in mind these two properties are the ones that are still popular with a whole new generation, 20+ years later. They were definitely doing something right. I never saw Galaxy Rangers, but I think the best of the '80s cartoons was probably The Real Ghostbusters, which featured outstanding voice work and some great writing by the likes of J. Michael Straczynski, Keith Giffen, and J.M. DeMatteis. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bugs-bunny-1939-2005-or-latest-new-lows-set-by-tv-execs/290489.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bugs-bunny-1939-2005-or-latest-new-lows-set-by-tv-execs/290489.md?page=3)