Building the Pyramids Today.

I dropped back in to point out that the Egyptians (or aliens…take your pick) did not just get up one morning and say, “Hey! Let’s see if we can build a huge pyramid.”

They had built pyramids before…and some of them weren’t up to our usual expectations. They had a lot of practice. (“Ooops! Guess we should have chosen a different angle for the sides.”) And they didn’t just cut out huge blocks at the quarry only to discover that they couldn’t move them. They gradually figured out how to do it in the same way that cathedral builders figured out how to construct arches and flying buttresses.

(I really just posted because because I like to use the word “buttresses.” It reminds me of Diana Rigg.)

God I love the Internet.

$5 billion with a B.

I have some doubts about the assertion that it would be very difficult to build today but at least there’s an estimate.

Hmm. $5B for a pyramid…$5B for a wall…

You don’t think?

By one estimate, it took a workforce of 6700 men 20 years to build Khufu. Under modern work schedules (which would be conservative) that is roughly 280 million man-hours. These were not all unskilled labor. If you use an average rate of $20/hour for masons, stone cutters, engineers, etc., it comes out to $5.6 billion, if we use the ancient methods.

It’s amazing what achievement of impressive but useless architecture you can achieve in an absolute monarchy with religious fanaticism.

Personally I think we should find a way to build them better like when we built a replica of Stonehenge out of Cars:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carhenge

if we built a bunch of pyramids we could charge People admission and use that money to pay for the wall.

And we can also use them as granaries! Win-win.

I also think like ZonexandScout on the evolution of pyramids. Mudbrick -> stone mastabas -> step pyramids -> pyramids (-> some later shoddy pyramids).

When did the aliens (or amazing tech we still don’t have) show up and when did they go away? And these aliens were really crappy builders based on some of the mistakes they made. Even the lower stones in the Great Pyramid started to crack and sag while it was being built requiring “adjustments” as it went higher. Nice pyramid engineering there Xqllyztur.

Easy! Hoover the Talking Seal. It’s right there in the name.

Another show of hands of thems what figured it out from context and will use it as soon as the occasion presents itself, even if you need to force it? And you’re not stoopid. The geyser guy was stoooopid, with extra Os for stupidity.

As in butt caresses? I hadn’t wondered if I were gay before I saw The (Real) Avengers in 1964. There was no question I was straight afterward.

Look, the pyramids were all standing just fine while the antigravity generators that the aliens put in the heart of each pyramid were working. These partially compensated for the weight of the stones (of course their primary purpose was to facilitate the landing of alien spacecraft). The aliens left clear instructions (in hieroglyphics) about how to maintain the antigravity generators, which the ancient Egyptians incorporated into their religious rituals. But the disruption of the required rituals by Akhenaten caused the machines to break down, and that’s what caused the partial collapse of many of the pyramids we see today. Geez, do your research, people!

That Akhenaten was a PITA. Hot wife, though. Worked at a company where a salesoid was a pain but we kept him on because we liked his wife

Close. From an article on her in The Telegraph in 2014:

"… considering the words [John] Simon [New York Magazine] used in ‘covering’ her nude scene in Abelard and Héloise (1970). ‘Diana Rigg,’ he wrote, ‘is built like a brick mausoleum with insufficient flying buttresses.’ "

Isaac Asimov immortalized his need to see that show in one of his essays about something completely else. While it took a village to make Ms Rigg seem busty, there is nothing wrong with absolute perfection in a B cup.

Back on topic-ish, Sunday afternoon is a fine time to read a long thread: How were the pyramids in Egypt built? - Great Debates - Straight Dope Message Board

That was a Nova program on PBS, I remember these well. Nova went through this “build it” phase before Mythbusters and other Discovery channel shows took the ball and started running with it. I’m guessing PBS stopped funding similar shows about that time.

Anyway, Nova built a mini-Pryamid, Nova raised a stone trilithon with just people and an A-frame. Nova tried to build Leonardo’s ginormous crossbow, and Leonardo’s hang-glider. Then Nova decided to give it a rest with the ancient engineering recreations.

So here’s two funny ones: Some people in France, back in the 1980’s were tired of the “obviously, aliens did it” with regard to their local stone circle. Id they got together with ropes, and log rollers and moves a stone as a village. And the next day, another stone had been stolen during the night. They had to rope off and guard their stone circle after that.

For number two, I was gonna find the Youtube clip from the movie “The 10 Commandments” where Charlton Heston raises the gigantic stone monolith with slave labor and sand, but … there’s more important monument smashing for YouTube to chronicle it seems, and you can all look up the monument building scene. Yeah, they even knew then, that the Ancient Egyptians were perfectly capable of building massive stone structures.

I think there are a number of scholarly references to describe the life of Ancient Egypt as not being describe this way. People donated their time, when the season was not suitable for farming, and were paid for their work, in bread and beer. It wasn’t slavish devotion to their religion or Pharaoh, it was just a thing to do, instead of doing nothing.

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If you can’t tell the difference between pyramids and female breasts, you need to spend less time on this board and get out more. This thread is about one of those two things, and not the other.

The pyramids are tombs: are you suggesting that people would pay us to kill them and put them inside?

*Nobody *expects the Egyptian Inquisition…!

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But seriously…

Consensus as I recall was that they used a mud brick spiral ramp built up around the pyramid. If they’d used a straight regular ramp it would require as much or more material in gravel and such than the pyramid. There is no evidence of such rubble. The unfinished pyramid was a nice neat set of steps (blocks about 4 feet across) so it was easy to build the ramp on those using mud bricks and would not take anywhere near as much material and could be easily removed as they worked their way back down…

Incidentally, as they worked their way back down from the top, the ramp before removal would give a working base from which they would be putting on the final layer of limestone sheathing cut to a perfect smooth pyramid. (Most of this finish has fallen off, but on the middle pyramid at the top you can still see this finish). A straight ramp would have made finishing the back side fairly awkward.

Yes, as hinted at - the evolutionary path of pyramids is quite obvious. Early Egyptians (the first dynasties) built rectangular tombs (mastabas). Imhotep (allegedly the earliest non-ruler whose name we know) started by building his Pharoah’s mastaba of stone. Then expanded it and built successive squares on top producing the first stone “step pyramid”. From there they went to smooth edge pyramids, bigger and bigger until they realized with the “bent pyramid” that they were building it too steep. As cracks appeared in the construction they changed their minds and about halfway up may it a less steep angle.

The original step pyramid at Saqqarra was made with smaller construction stones, about a foot to two feet on a side. By the time the Great Pyramid was being built, they had realized that 4x4x6 foot blocks made construction go faster and were feasible to move. (As the empire declined, they took to cheap measures. The “Black pyramid” was a block stone shell and tomb core that was filled with rubble as it rose, rather than solid blocks. Today, all that’s left is the middle core an a pile of that rubble.)

So the question is - build with today’s tech, or as it was built in 2400BC? With today’s tech, piece of cake. The old way? What do you have to pay people to do drudge work for a decade in the Egyptian sun? No be cheap. One statistic I saw said that working 20 years, 7 days a week, 12 hours a day, to build the great pyramid meant they laid a stone every 90 seconds. The important task is coordination.

The blocks would have been quarried with stone and copper chisels, and using wood wedges that swelled when wet to split the rock. Remember, this was over 1000 years before the iron age. Today, we have carbide power saws.

Arkon has it right. When the fields flooded, as they did every year, there was an entire country of those who had nothing else to do but haul stones for food - but not slaves. Meanwhile, the stone stockpiled during those two months could be finished and installed at leisure by a much smaller full time group of stoneworkers, who would be skilled paid craftsmen, not slaves.

There’s a giant “cave church” (Google it) from the cliffs across the river in Cairo where it is believed many of the stones were quarried. So another task was to float the blocks across the river when the fields were flooded and transport is easy since the entire route was navigable right up to the worksite.

i would rather have a pyramid …with unnamed co conspirator #! entombed …

thisspaceforrent

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Let’s also cut all of the talk about present-day politics. This isn’t the place.

I would think the French beaver trappers who named the Grand Tetons got out more than any of us. :wink:

What else is named Hoover? Vacuums.

And what do aliens have to cross to reach Earth? Vacuum.

And what else builds dams? Beavers.

It all ties together. Except for that part about the beavers.

Space Beavers!