# Bull and shit, Arwin.

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bull-and-shit-arwin/286758>\
**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [January 26, 2005, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bull-and-shit-arwin/286758 "2005-01-26T14:36:15Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 3\
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**Author:** ![umop\_ap\_sdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/dbc845/32.png) [@umop\_ap\_sdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/umop_ap_sdn)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2005, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bull-and-shit-arwin/286758/161 "2005-02-10T05:34:50Z")

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> [@Arwin](#):
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> Read the last two sentences. I’ll wager that this behavior is rare in childhood of even most transsexuals on this board.

Well for what it’s worth, the movements, gait, etc, were true of me, and still are, at least since I first knew that I didn’t want to grow up to be a man. (Knowledge which I ignored at the time, thinking the feeling would pass :smack: ) And it just so happens that I was about 11 or 12 at the time.

But this was after years of people teasing me for looking like a girl, and once putting nail polish on my pinky just to taunt me about it, so probably for that reason there never was any exploration.

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**Author:** ![Maastricht](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@Maastricht](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maastricht)\
**Post date:** [February 10, 2005, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bull-and-shit-arwin/286758/162 "2005-02-10T07:18:49Z")

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> [@Lamia](#):
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> Yeah, it doesn’t make any sense to me to refer to any non-behavioral characteristic as pathological. It’s silly to call someone pathological Canadian/Korean/whatever nationality. One could certainly be pathologically nationalistic, but that’s behavior and it doesn’t actually have much to do with what country you’re from…although any good nationalist would probably disagree!

**Lamia** , when I read **Arwin** ’s first post, I immidiately assumed being “pathologically Dutch” implied behavior, and that **Arwin** _was_ talking about behavior. You separate the two; having a certain nationality and behaving a certain way. That’s more accurate, but it’s just in the way one reads it, or one’s own associations, I guess.

For instance, when I read that **Arwin** said that anyone might be “pathologically Dutch” the first image that came to my mind was:  
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[li]I might wear clogs and traditional clothing even though the clogs would make my feet hurt and I would look totally ridiculous at work in the office, so that people would think I had gone insane and fire me; [/li][li]I’d start hating and vilifying (and alienating) Germans I work with because Germany occupied Holladn fifty years ago, or do the same to friends from France because France oocupied Holland two hundred years ago; [/li][li]I’d bring up smoking hashish ad nauseam in non-hashish related conversations. 😉 [/li][/ul]

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**Author:** ![Arwin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/51bf81/32.png) [@Arwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arwin)\
**Post date:** [February 11, 2005, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bull-and-shit-arwin/286758/163 "2005-02-11T23:05:04Z")

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Thanks, **Maastricht** , for explaining my point so eloquently.

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