# Bullshit DUI Laws **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 28, 2001, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bullshit-dui-laws/52094 "2001-01-28T05:59:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![chicagowhitesox1173](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/46a35a/32.png) [@chicagowhitesox1173](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chicagowhitesox1173)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2016, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bullshit-dui-laws/52094/81 "2016-01-06T03:32:03Z")
I have agree with this poster who says DUI laws are Bullshit. All the money you pay for rehab, does nothing for the offender. It’s a racket that somebody is getting rich off of. I used to think that by lowering the BAC, that it would help lower DUI’s. I think they lowered it to get more DUI’s. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2016, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bullshit-dui-laws/52094/82 "2016-01-06T03:34:41Z")
If you have ever had a friend or a relative hurt in an accident caused by an alcohol impaired driver, you quickly believe that life, without the possibility of parole, is not too great a sentence for them. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2016, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bullshit-dui-laws/52094/83 "2016-01-06T03:38:31Z")
> [@chicagowhitesox1173](#): > > I have agree with this poster who says DUI laws are Bullshit. You are a fucking idiot who should not be trusted to drive. > [@](#): > > All the money you pay for rehab, does nothing for the offender. You are a fucking idiot who should not be trusted to drink. > [@](#): > > It’s a racket that somebody is getting rich off of. You are a fucking idiot who should not be trusted with money. > [@](#): > > I used to think that by lowering the BAC, that it would help lower DUI’s. I think they lowered it to get more DUI’s. And you are a fucking idiot who should not be trusted to pretend to think. Seriously, are you stupid? Or is this performance art? ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2016, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bullshit-dui-laws/52094/84 "2016-01-06T03:42:01Z")
As a side note…I hate these damn zombie threads, especially the really old ones like this. I find I miss a lot of old posters. Even the ones who’ve been banned. Sometimes especially them. ---
**Author:** ![chicagowhitesox1173](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/46a35a/32.png) [@chicagowhitesox1173](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chicagowhitesox1173)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2016, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bullshit-dui-laws/52094/85 "2016-01-06T03:44:53Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > If you have ever had a friend or a relative hurt in an accident caused by an alcohol impaired driver, you quickly believe that life, without the possibility of parole, is not too great a sentence for them. Very understandable, but when you look at some of these stats for DUI’s, you gotta wonder whats going on here…for instance Illinois has 12 million people and in 2015 around 5000 Illinoians got a DUI. Indiana on the other hand has only 6 million residents, yet they handed out close to 25, 000 dui’s. I do think politics plays a part in this. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2016, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bullshit-dui-laws/52094/86 "2016-01-06T03:49:35Z")
> [@chicagowhitesox1173](#): > > I do think politics plays a part in this. Sure. Like the politics of “the [rate of DUI deaths](http://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/impaired_driving/states.html) is higher in Indiana than in Illinois, and thank Juju they’re taking steps to curtail that.” ---
**Author:** ![chicagowhitesox1173](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/46a35a/32.png) [@chicagowhitesox1173](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chicagowhitesox1173)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2016, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bullshit-dui-laws/52094/87 "2016-01-06T03:53:38Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Sure. Like the politics of “the [rate of DUI deaths](http://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/impaired_driving/states.html) is higher in Indiana than in Illinois, and thank Juju they’re taking steps to curtail that.” Your missing the point. The recidivism is going up in Indiana. Who do you think is making money off this. ---
**Author:** ![Dag\_Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@Dag\_Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dag_Otto)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2016, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bullshit-dui-laws/52094/88 "2016-01-06T03:53:45Z")
Yeah, but Hoosiers are a bunch of lightweights who can’t handle their drink. For fucks sake, they drink milk after winning a race. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2016, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bullshit-dui-laws/52094/89 "2016-01-06T04:36:47Z")
> [@dianeb](#): > > I got caught up in the DUI arena and what a nightmare. I’m of mature age and very responsible. I’m sure you are. With emphasis on “very responsible”. And on “mature”. Dang evil gubbermints are the problem, is what I say! > [@dianeb](#): > > The government want people to think that DUI fatalities are a pandemic or an epidemic- nothing could be further from the truth. Certainly. And I’m just surprised that you didn’t bring guns into the discussion, because to my mind nothing epitomizes public safety as much as a drunken yokel weaving down a country road in his pickup after a night of heavy drinking, so drunk he can’t see past the end of his nose, with a shotgun on the gunrack in the back, a pistol by his side, and a bottle of bourbon rolling around down there somewhere if he can just find it. That’s what Liberty is all about! ---
**Author:** ![Spiderman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spiderman/32/230_2.png) [@Spiderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiderman)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2016, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bullshit-dui-laws/52094/90 "2016-01-06T04:39:45Z")
> [@dianeb](#): > > Nationally there are a total of 9-10,000 dui fatalities per year which doesn’t mean the driver was drinking. That equals 0.02% of the total deaths per year of the nations 2.5 million deaths. Cardiovascular disease is #1 with 611,000 and cancer 599,000. Listen here you fucking twit, how many of those people who die of cardiovascular disease take out someone else out? How many of those people dying from cancer cause the death of other, innocent people? All living things die, people, trees, dinosaurs, etc. Yet by your own stats, one of every 5000 human deaths in this country _each year_ is totally avoidable. How interesting it is that the thread that you zombied was started in 2001. You see, later that year, 20+ guys got together & masterminded & enacted the _single_ worst act of terrorism this country has seen. But you know what, in just 2001, in ones & twos, & fours another type of terrorist took out over five times than many people. In fact in the 10 years from 2001-2010, more than 160,000 _more_ people were killed in alcohol-related fatalities. [source](http://www.rita.dot.gov/bts/sites/rita.dot.gov.bts/files/publications/by_the_numbers/drunk_driving/html/figure_01.html). What? You don’t like it that I called you a terrorist? Well, too fucking bad! You see, one of the dictionary definitions of terrorist is “a person who terrorizes or frightens others”. It’s scum like you that are the reason I don’t like going out on New Year’s Eve, or Super Bowl Sunday, or … You know why? Because I’m scared of being murdered by dipshits like you. You want to drink? Fine. Before you start do one of the following: stay home, walk, get a friend to drive, take public transit, get a taxi/uber. Yet assholes like you are responsible for over 200,000 people dying since this thread was started, & you think you deserve a break??? ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2016, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bullshit-dui-laws/52094/91 "2016-01-06T05:20:29Z")
> [@andros](#): > > As a side note…I hate these damn zombie threads, especially the really old ones like this. I find I miss a lot of old posters. Even the ones who’ve been banned. Sometimes especially them. Also, it’s bullshit that the idiot reviving the zombie couldn’t just wait another month. Then we’d have an honest-to-God 15-year zombie instead of this crappy 14-year-and-11-months zombie. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2016, 10:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bullshit-dui-laws/52094/92 "2016-01-06T10:03:08Z")
> [@asterion](#): > > Also, it’s bullshit that the idiot reviving the zombie couldn’t just wait another month. Then we’d have an honest-to-God 15-year zombie instead of this crappy 14-year-and-11-months zombie. I know that 15 is the Age of Consent for zombies, but with the decomposition etc., would any jury really expect you to be able to tell the difference? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2016, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bullshit-dui-laws/52094/93 "2016-01-06T11:17:23Z")
> [@asterion](#): > > Also, it’s bullshit that the idiot reviving the zombie couldn’t just wait another month. Then we’d have an honest-to-God 15-year zombie instead of this crappy 14-year-and-11-months zombie. Ah, it’s not so bad. After all, reviving it brought [this gem from Stoid](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=1090680&postcount=3) to the fore. That post is great comedy. ---
**Author:** ![leftfield6](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leftfield6/32/18780_2.png) [@leftfield6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leftfield6)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2016, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bullshit-dui-laws/52094/94 "2016-01-06T14:03:03Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > I know that 15 is the Age of Consent for zombies, but with the decomposition etc., would any jury really expect you to be able to tell the difference? And we all know that zombies cannot hold their liquor worth a damn. No, I mean, they actually can’t hold it. Drains out of the holes in their torso. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2016, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bullshit-dui-laws/52094/95 "2016-01-06T14:15:39Z")
I really hate to seem to be on the side of this zombie raiser. I have no problem locking up drunk drivers and in many cases NJ laws are too lenient. However Pennsylvania is pretty screwed up. You can go have your day in court, make a plea deal or go to trial and get your sentence. A penalty is assigned including a license suspension. That is where the process ends in most states. In PA PENNDOT has some sort of quasi-civil tribunal that then will assess you additional license suspensions. Their court exists outside of the regular court system. It seems to give you few if any protections. Pretty much all of the rest of the post is bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2016, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bullshit-dui-laws/52094/96 "2016-01-06T14:47:45Z")
> [@dianeb](#): > > It likens to Nazi Germany and Communistic Russia. In “Communistic Russia” the DUI laws shoot you. It doesn’t work, but there’s got to be a good joke in there. Anyone? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2016, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bullshit-dui-laws/52094/97 "2016-01-06T15:52:21Z")
> [@andros](#): > > As a side note…I hate these damn zombie threads, especially the really old ones like this. I find I miss a lot of old posters. Even the ones who’ve been banned. Sometimes especially them. It’s like waking up from a 15-year drunk! ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2016, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bullshit-dui-laws/52094/98 "2016-01-06T18:53:14Z")
Zombie raiser **dianeb** : 1 post, join date that same day. Kreskining it, I say was googling for forums where someone may be griping about DUI Per Se provisions and probably has a similar post in a whole bunch of them, not bothering to check that the last reply had been 15 years ago. That said yeah, sure, some of the Per Se provisions are a wee bit out there, local authorities enforce idiosyncratically and reading **Loach** ’s depiction of the PA system, that’s wack. But then again, at the side of the road when being stopped by police is not the place/time to demand that they show you the law about implied consent. Ignorance of the law does not excuse from subjecting to it, etc. Plus, this is tiresome: NO, America today is NOWHERE near the Nazi or Communist regimes. Not on DUI, not on guns, not on business regulation, not on speech… Jesus Christ on Rollerskates, get a grip people. Or begin electing legislators who’ll pass reasonable laws. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2016, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bullshit-dui-laws/52094/99 "2016-01-06T19:07:57Z")
> [@dianeb](#): > > I’m sorry for your cousin. It’s been 15 years. He’s probably gotten over it by now. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2016, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bullshit-dui-laws/52094/100 "2016-01-06T20:35:01Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > But then again, at the side of the road when being stopped by police is not the place/time to demand that they show you the law about implied consent. That’s pretty much the reason for implied consent laws. If they have to inform you then it would be informed consent. She is a;so wrong about per se laws. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bullshit-dui-laws/52094.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bullshit-dui-laws/52094.md?page=6)