# Bully learns what it's like on the other side **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [March 15, 2011, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bully-learns-what-its-like-on-the-other-side/574829 "2011-03-15T20:35:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2011, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bully-learns-what-its-like-on-the-other-side/574829/21 "2011-03-15T21:48:49Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > Unfortunately I have a son who had a felony indictment before he was 12 who can be a cite for your outwardly ridiculous sentiment. I’m quite ambivalent about teachers. Sure they work hard under sometimes rotten conditions, but for FFFF sake how much judgment does it really take to figure out which kid is the bully and which kid just couldn’t take it anymore? Enlighten me, because I truly don’t know. Even if a teacher today went to bat for a kid in such a situation, would that affect the punishment? Isn’t punishment an administrative matter? And don’t administrators cite “zero tolerance” as a rubber stamp reason that both kids get punished? ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2011, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bully-learns-what-its-like-on-the-other-side/574829/22 "2011-03-15T22:10:33Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > Enlighten me, because I truly don’t know. Even if a teacher today went to bat for a kid in such a situation, would that affect the punishment? Isn’t punishment an administrative matter? And don’t administrators cite “zero tolerance” as a rubber stamp reason that both kids get punished? Zero tolerance. Teacher HAD to report finding a screwdriver bit (from a dismantled leatherman tool) in his backpack during an authorized search. It was determined this was a deadly weapon (no shit) brought upon school property with the intent to inflict bodily harm upon another student. Police were called, charges were filed by the DA, plea was copped, he has 6 months left before he is released from parole. There is backstory, of course, but it doesn’t strengthen the school’s case at all. ETA: He was not brandishing the weapon, he had not stated any intent to harm anyone with the item, he was already part of a “maximum security” classroom due to a known and treated mental disorder but was, for a few hours, among the general population unsupervised–in violation, I think, of his IEP. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Fight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/90ced4/32.png) [@Cat\_Fight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Fight)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2011, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bully-learns-what-its-like-on-the-other-side/574829/23 "2011-03-15T23:08:28Z")
So glad YouTube didn’t exist when I was kid. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2011, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bully-learns-what-its-like-on-the-other-side/574829/24 "2011-03-15T23:23:42Z")
> [@Tahssa](#): > > According to the story the bullied kid, Casey, had been bullied for years so it was probably common knowledge that he’s a soft target. Ah. Good for Casey, then! ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2011, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bully-learns-what-its-like-on-the-other-side/574829/25 "2011-03-15T23:24:28Z")
[Punch me in the mouth!](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OU48ujwrj4&feature=watch) ---
**Author:** ![Alice\_The\_Goon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Alice\_The\_Goon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alice_The_Goon)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2011, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bully-learns-what-its-like-on-the-other-side/574829/26 "2011-03-15T23:36:12Z")
In the picture in the link posted second in the OP, there’s a picture of the little bully. He looks like a total douchebag. ---
**Author:** ![Dinaroozie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Dinaroozie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinaroozie)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2011, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bully-learns-what-its-like-on-the-other-side/574829/27 "2011-03-16T02:51:07Z")
It sucks that Casey was punished, but if his parents are in any way cool his suspension will be more like he’s being rewarded with a four day holiday. The thing I like about this video is that it’s like the bully went out of the way to make himself unsympathetic. He’s surrounded by friends who are backing him up, it’s being filmed just for the sake of further embarrassing Casey later, the bully is jumping around like a tool - it’s a set up that, if you saw it in a movie, you’d think “Geeze, they’re laying it on a bit thick here”. Such undiluted schadenfreude is to be cherished. **AClockworkMelon** : That is truly a quality video. The only thing that could make it better is… wait… is the guy wearing a t-shirt that says ‘tap out’ on it? Okay now it’s perfect. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2011, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bully-learns-what-its-like-on-the-other-side/574829/28 "2011-03-16T12:37:13Z")
> [@Cell\_Guy](#): > > ETA: I guess Youtube is taking this video down when it gets posted. Found [this version,](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnFasv7kXCU) which replaces the actual body slam with an appropriate special effect. 😃 Posted on 3/15, so brand new, so it may get taken down too. You can search for other copies of it (and comments/tributes to the fat kid) by searching for his name, Casey Heynes. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2011, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bully-learns-what-its-like-on-the-other-side/574829/29 "2011-03-16T14:44:50Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > Zero tolerance. Teacher HAD to report finding a screwdriver bit (from a dismantled leatherman tool) in his backpack during an authorized search. It was determined this was a deadly weapon (no shit) brought upon school property with the intent to inflict bodily harm upon another student. Police were called, charges were filed by the DA, plea was copped, he has 6 months left before he is released from parole. There is backstory, of course, but it doesn’t strengthen the school’s case at all. > ETA: He was not brandishing the weapon, he had not stated any intent to harm anyone with the item, he was already part of a “maximum security” classroom due to a known and treated mental disorder but was, for a few hours, among the general population unsupervised–in violation, I think, of his IEP. So who decided the punishment? Not the teachers, right? ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2011, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bully-learns-what-its-like-on-the-other-side/574829/30 "2011-03-16T14:59:39Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > So who decided the punishment? Not the teachers, right? Well that’s the beauty of zero tolerance isn’t it? They can say they weren’t allowed to use judgment and so weren’t responsible for the kid ending up with a police record. Only they did when they decided 1.5 inches of dull metal was worthy of police intervention and expulsion. This is probably a hijack. ---
**Author:** ![fachverwirrt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/94ad74/32.png) [@fachverwirrt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fachverwirrt)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2011, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bully-learns-what-its-like-on-the-other-side/574829/31 "2011-03-16T15:09:34Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > Well that’s the beauty of zero tolerance isn’t it? They can say they weren’t allowed to use judgment and so weren’t responsible for the kid ending up with a police record. Only they did when they decided 1.5 inches of dull metal was worthy of police intervention and expulsion. This is probably a hijack. **Contrapuntal** ’s point is that neither zero-tolerance policies nor enforcement of zero-tolerance policies nor punishment under zero-tolerance policies have anything to do with teachers. They are entirely the province of school boards and district and school administration. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2011, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bully-learns-what-its-like-on-the-other-side/574829/32 "2011-03-16T16:31:44Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > …I was picked on as well and it ended the day I turned on my attacker and pounded him in the face. Once was all that was needed… I bite mine hard enough to send him to the ER for stitches and leave him with a scar. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2011, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bully-learns-what-its-like-on-the-other-side/574829/33 "2011-03-16T16:35:40Z")
I think the big kid’s technique was pretty sloppy, and he should have gone for the ground and pound after the slam, but otherwise have no problems with his actions. If it was my kid, we’d spend the four day suspension doing whatever the kid likes best…movies, gaming…whatever. Self defense is always authorized as far as I’m concerned. I can’t keep the school from imposing punishment, but I can and will make it clear that the school is free to kiss my ass over bullshit like this. If they’d done their damn jobs, the kid would not have had to defend himself in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Gagundathar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a183cd/32.png) [@Gagundathar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gagundathar)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2011, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bully-learns-what-its-like-on-the-other-side/574829/34 "2011-03-16T16:48:30Z")
I agree with **Oakminster**. I was bullied relentlessly in school and it wasn’t until I connected with a left hook one autumn afternoon that the bullying stopped. Up until then I was quoting Salvor Hardin (‘Violence is the last refuge of the incompetant’) and just running as fast as I could. I still quote that valid statement but now I know that some folks only understand a bit of pain to understand civilized behavior. Of course, if this had happened now, I would be in jail. ---
**Author:** ![Walmarticus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Walmarticus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walmarticus)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2011, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bully-learns-what-its-like-on-the-other-side/574829/35 "2011-03-16T16:55:09Z")
You gotta punish the big kid because them’s the rules. But, I bet much of the school, let alone much of the internet, thinks he is cooler than shit now. ---
**Author:** ![Foxy40](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Foxy40](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Foxy40)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2011, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bully-learns-what-its-like-on-the-other-side/574829/36 "2011-03-16T17:16:58Z")
I was thinking the same thing about Cassie’s stardom now. I’d bet he isn’t considered uncool or gets bullied anymore. These little turds probably did him a huge favor with their set up to embarrass and humiliate him further. As far as the suspension, I agree it had to happen or after every fight someone could claim they were being bullied and were defending themselves. But I too hope his folks are taking him out for ice cream and go carts every day. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2011, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bully-learns-what-its-like-on-the-other-side/574829/37 "2011-03-16T17:27:42Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > I think the big kid’s technique was pretty sloppy, and he should have gone for the ground and pound after the slam, but otherwise have no problems with his actions. If it was my kid, we’d spend the four day suspension doing whatever the kid likes best…movies, gaming..whatever. Self defense is always authorized as far as I’m concerned. I can’t keep the school from imposing punishment, but I can and will make it clear that the school is free to kiss my ass over bullshit like this. If they’d done their damn jobs, the kid would not have had to defend himself in the first place. Well said. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2011, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bully-learns-what-its-like-on-the-other-side/574829/38 "2011-03-16T18:35:04Z")
I particularly liked the aftermath, when the larger kid started to go after the winner, who basically stood his ground and stared the guy down with a “you want some of this too, _bitch_?” sort of look. ---
**Author:** ![Walmarticus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Walmarticus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walmarticus)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2011, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bully-learns-what-its-like-on-the-other-side/574829/39 "2011-03-16T18:47:30Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > I particularly liked the aftermath, when the larger kid started to go after the winner, who basically stood his ground and stared the guy down with a “you want some of this too, _bitch_?” sort of look. I like the part where the bully tries to act like he didn’t just get his shit ruined. He picks up his hat like he’s just going to walk away but instead walks into the wall. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2011, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bully-learns-what-its-like-on-the-other-side/574829/40 "2011-03-16T19:30:52Z")
> [@Cell\_Guy](#): > > ETA: I guess Youtube is taking this video down when it gets posted. Try this link for the video and some background: [Deadspin | Sports News Without Fear, Favor or Compromise](http://deadspin.com/#!5782089/revenge-of-the-bullied-casey-becomes-an-icon) I don’t know how things are in Australia, but I would advocate that Casey’s parents have the little shit with the blue backpack arrested for assault, and sue the school management to have Casey reinstated with no prejudice. Zero Tolerance is bullshit. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bully-learns-what-its-like-on-the-other-side/574829.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bully-learns-what-its-like-on-the-other-side/574829.md?page=3)